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Old 04-04-2002, 05:39 PM   #1
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nuero surgeons/spinal chord vs. chiropractor

I have and have had a firm belief that certain adjustments that chiropractors perform could possibly cause a spinal chord injury (even though the odds of this happening might be small); In particular I believe that the upper cervical veratbrae, let's say C7 and up should never be subject to an abrupt force which I believe occurs in a spinal chord adjustment; I believe that; while the adjustment that chiropractors do on a routine basis could relieve pressure or pain, I believe that what is gained is not worth the risk of compromising spinal chord (neural)tissue which can not heal and could become bruised (damaged) even if ever so slightly; furthermore I believe that chiropractors should discontinue the practice of doing upper vertabral adjustments. I would like some correlation on this from an actual neuro surgeon, If somebody here has access to a nuero surgeon or neurologist, I would like to try and get the real hard line information about this.
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Hi,
Ten years ago I joined my husband in Chicago where he was working for the summer. I arrived with a desperate lumbago. Found a Chiropractor and not only did the lumbago get worse - I crawled around Chicago on all fours for two months - but he did things to my already damaged neck and added a couple more herniations to my cervicals. It took me a long time to recover from his so-called 'ministrations'. On top of it all, being European, I believed in the euphemism of his being a 'doctor'. A Doctor of Charlatanism clearly - but certainly nothing to do with medecine. At the time, my eleven year old daughter accomanied me to the treatments. The man swore he could 'realign' her back and that it was my duty as a mother to see to this. The result was he hurt her neck too!!

Never Again!!!

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Old 04-05-2002, 11:13 AM   #3
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Re: nuero surgeons/spinal chord vs. chiropractor

I have never been to a chiropractor (I'm not even sure I know how to spell it). I have always been afraid of them. On my first trip to the neurosurgeon, I was on my way out the door and he said, "Don't let any chiropractor do any adjusting!" I just assumed I was at the point where a chiropractor could paralyze me, so I told the neurosurgeon that there was no need to worry about that!

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Old 04-05-2002, 01:20 PM   #4
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Re: nuero surgeons/spinal chord vs. chiropractor

These replys seem to confirm that what I have believed for years is true; that some spinal chord adjustments could be more of a detriment than a benefit to the spinal chord, but I would really like to have information from an actual nuero surgeon or an MD that works in the area of the spinal chord, maybe some people on this form could help me get this information, but the testimonys are good too, I would like to hear as many opinion's on this as people want to post. I have spoken to many chiropractors about this and they of course become very defensive, they seem to think that I am trying to ruin their business, rain on their parade; I am not, I am simply a writer and philosopher who always likes to get to the truth of things, that's all that matters to me is the truth about things; The facts!

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Old 04-06-2002, 01:31 AM   #5
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Re: nuero surgeons/spinal chord vs. chiropractor

I have found that many folks have a lot of faith in chiropractors. It seems since my C7 herniation I've had a number of folks ask if I tried it. When I mention I did two months of PT, they act like that is not as good. Well, some years ago I injured my lumbar spine. On the advice of two friends I tried a local chiropractor for three months and got no relief-the pain increased, actually.

I quit seeing him after I went to my regular MD and got a prescription to begin physical therapy. In two weeks I felt better than I did after three months with this "really good" chiropractor. I'll never bother with them again.

While I do know people who swear that they have had back problems helped by chiropractors, it may only be that they had minor problems a good masseuse or PT could remedy just as well. As for claims that chiropractic can cure acne, etc., anyone who makes those claims in their ads I wouldn't even consider.

And yes, aggressive manipulation can injure you further in some cases. When I started PT with my current problem, they didn't even consider putting me on a traction machine for over a month, until the muscles had released enough to prevent further injury.
The chiro I saw for the lower back put me on some mechanized instrument of torture right away, and I think it did permanent damage to my lower back.

 
Old 04-07-2002, 10:31 PM   #6
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Hi there!

I still cringe every time I think of chiropractors. A well meaning relative took me to one when I was 9yrs. He did neck and back manipulations...which gave me headaches and pain for weeks. When I was a teenager I went to one after an accident to my lumbar back and again he manipulated the neck as well. I just kept getting worse. Finally he took some xrays, diagnosed scoliosis and proceeded to treat even more agressively. Every time whatever he 'put in' in the neck would pop out somewhere else. I could feel the bone sticking out of the side of my neck! The nightmare ended when I was incontinent for 24 hrs, and I never went back. Looking back now I was a complete idiot for putting my trust in this man, but how was I to know...I was only a teenager.
I'm now a lot older, wiser and feeling very foolish. I now have the spine from hell and am off to a Neurologist (should have gone there first 10 yrs ago!)
It's my opinion after talking to other patients of the man, that he treats everyone in the same manner, neck and back manipulations in the same places, until they get worse and then he breaks out the heavy duty tactics. If a doctor or dentist produced incontinence in a patient like this they would be struck off! To let these quacks work on a delicate, growing child is dangerous to say the least. The force directed at such a fragile thing as the neck amounts to just as much as a whiplash in a car accident.
Oh, and by the way, a good indication is the form you have to sign before treatment declaring that the chiropractor is not liable for any damage or death that occurs during the course of treatment! <IMG SRC="http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/mad.gif">

 
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Wow,

I had a much different experience than most. I was an athlete who had constant back problems and went to many specialists who were mds. They said everything looked fine. They gave me a prescription of 800 mg. of motrin and that was all that they could do. I had to quit my sport which was alpine ski racing and hoped that my back would eventually get better. It did not get better. I was 34 yrs. old and felt like I was 50. I had asked people about chiropractors and got a lot of the same misinformation. That 'there is a huge risk' of causing more damage and so on. I did my own research and learned that chiropractic is extremely safe and if you compare it to the alternative of drugs and all of the risk and side effects I figured that I was taking the safe approach. As it turns out, I was taking the safe approach and began treatment. I was skeptical when the DC told me that he could definitely solve my problems. I was also nervous about neck adjustments and just relied on the research that I dug up and that chiropractic adjustments are extremely safe. In a matter of about five weeks I was pain free for the first time and felt years younger. It really did change my life. I had a hard time making it through six holes of golf and now I can do anything that I want physically. If I had known then, when I was an alpine ski racer, as I know now, I would have been able to continue and pursue my dreams of becoming a top World Cup ski racer. I feel like I was given a lot of misinformation and shoulder shrugs from my back specialists and out of desperation was forced to figure it out for myself. I am obviously now a huge proponent of chiropractic and tell as many people as I can about my story because it changed the way I think and my life for the better. Chiropractic adjustments are safe. Are prescription drugs safe? Do your own homework. I believe you will find it very enlightening as I did.

 
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Re: nuero surgeons/spinal chord vs. chiropractor

I would NEVER EVER use a chiropractor.

One of my friends who also has spine issues. And she decided to see a chiropractor. When her husband told me this I cringed.

this is just my opinion but thats the way I feel about this form of treatment

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I have to agree with pebblebeach. I would never ever let a chiro near my neck. My poor grandmother had horrible osteoporosis and would still go to one to get adjusted. He just wanted her money, terrible.

 
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I have to agree with pebblebeach. I would never ever let a chiro near my neck. My poor grandmother had horrible osteoporosis and would still go to one to get adjusted. He just wanted her money, terrible.

 
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I had felt similar to yourself. Then I did my homework and realized that my feelings toward chiropractic had no eduational basis whatsoever. My doctor had told me that I would eventually have to have surgery and that he could prescribe some more drugs. This is when I started to learn more about chiropractic, then went to a chiropractor and am now pain free, feel great, and off my prescriptions. Here are some stats that I had found in my search before I had went to a chiropractor. Prescription drugs taken as directed kill 100,000 americans per year (these stats are from the FDA and it is there job to keep this from happening so my guess is that these are understated).
Here is a quote from Web md about chiropractic. 'Spinal manipulation and chiropractic care is considered a safe and effective treatment for acute lower back pain...Research has also shown chiropractic care to be helpful in treating neck pain and headaches...'

I was initially nervous about getting my neck adjusted because on of my friends told me that in certain cases it can cause a stroke. This made me nervous so I did some research. This is what I found. That this is an association and not a cause and effect. This is what I mean by that. I found stats that ranged from an incidence rate of stroke per manipulation of 1 in 400,000 to 1 in 3.8 million per manipulation depending on the study. This still made me nervous so I dug a little deeper. I found that when there is a tearing of the artery wall this will cause intense neck pain and headaches (this is what leads to the stroke). This will then lead people to get treatment. Some people go to a chiropractor and some to a MD. They found that the incidence of stroke for the people who went to the MD's is the same as the people that went to chiropractors. I believe it is safe to assume that the MD's did not perform neck manipulations. Given that the association of a stroke is the same for the MD as is the chiropractor it is logical to conclude that tear in the artery is already in progress creating the patient to seek help and is not caused by the neck manipulation.
I hope this helps.

 
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Re: nuero surgeons/spinal chord vs. chiropractor

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I had felt similar to yourself. Then I did my homework and realized that my feelings toward chiropractic had no eduational basis whatsoever.
I hope this helps.

Sorry, but I don't agree with you. I had some jerk manipulate my cervical spine and he made it worse. I had surgery for it and that made it better. I will NEVER let anyone manipulate my neck again.

 
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Sorry but I am not convinced on chiropractors. And never will be!!!

 
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