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Old 09-26-2003, 05:49 PM   #1
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Question Could my neck problems cause my heart to beat funny?

I was on another web site, just browsing and I noticed someone was saying that the trauma to their neck has caused some cardiac problems. Can this be so? I have had weird heart rythem since my ACDF 6 weeks ago. So this makes me want to ask if anyone else has had a symtom like this? I am tinking mine is from stress, and pain from my lower back. I dont need cardiac probs too!

Hmmmm, I want to pick up the phone and ask my MD, but as you can see, its friday @ 5:45!! Oh well. Maybe you guys have some answers!!


Thanks in advance! C
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L5/S1 herniation 7mm 01/18/00
Microdiscectomy/Laminectomy 10/12/00
Thoratic pain began Dx buldge @ T-8 08/02
Had MRI on Lumbar because pain was returning, also scaned T spine 8/02, Dx recurrent L5/S1 herniation and new herniation @ level L4/5
Cervical pain began 2/03
Had MRI~Dx herination @ level C 6/7
Had anterior decompresion with hardware and use of my own hip bone graft to C 6/7 8/14/03
Accepted in Clinical trials/getting my 2 level Prodisc ADR in Feb!

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Old 09-30-2003, 05:34 PM   #2
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Hi,

I too have had a cevical fusion and ongoing problems with my neck and upper back with pain referred into my chest but my main problem has been a cardiac arryhthmia that began 1-2 months post op that I have had now for a little under 2 years. I have premature/skipped beats and always seems worse to me when my neck and back (thoracic) area are acting up. I have not had an answer one way or another that the skipped beats/abnormal rythm is from the cervical fusion from the neuro but my cardiologists classed it as neuro cardiogenic as no organic heart disease was found and my heart is structurally sound. Some days I have 20000 abnormal beats (recorded via heart monitor and yes that was 4 zeros or 20 thousand skips an average over a week or so is a few thousand a day). I feal them in my neck chest and most of all my right side stomach. There are various theories as to why i have them but I can honestly say hand on heart that as soon as my wound from the fusion had scarred or become hard and healed I began having the problems. I know this has been a long answer but I hope it helps. I am due another MRI in October (roughly 2 weeks) on my head neck and spine to check out if any more damage as occured beause in the last 2 years I have only worked for 2 months and my sypmtoms stop me from carrying out my work duties and as with most people on here enjoying a full and active life.

Again I hope this helps but I urge you to also seek a cardiologists advice as well.

Good luck and let us know what happens.

Richard.

 
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Old 09-30-2003, 07:00 PM   #3
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Hi, I haven't had surgery but I have spondylosis at C5-6-7 and problems at c7-t1 and I too have arrhythmias, skipped beats, rapid heart beat and all seem worse when my neck is acting up. I don't know what the connection is either, but I'm almost afraid to mention it to my doc in case he thinks I'm a hypochondriac. Good luck and let me know if you find out what the connection is, if any.

 
Old 09-30-2003, 10:34 PM   #4
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I wonder if you have a mitral valve prolapse. My doctor said that 15% of the population has one and it is never diagnosed in many people until their senior years. Many people who have mitral valve prolapses are skinny and scoliosis or kyphosis. The good news is mitral valve prolapses are harmless in most people.

Mark

 
Old 10-01-2003, 09:04 PM   #5
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Thanks Richard, Stolie and Mark!

Its all weird to me, but I have been checked for MVP, dont have that...whew. I too have been chicken to mention it to my surgeon, I think I will just make that appt to see a cardiologist. Cant hurt right? Ill let you all know. And thanks again. Maybe it does have to do with the nerves. That would make sence to me I just dont want to encourage a heart attack or something. I want to use this body a long time still, or I wouldnt be adding all this hardware to keep it upright!!

thanks all, Cindy

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L5/S1 herniation 7mm 01/18/00
Microdiscectomy/Laminectomy 10/12/00
Thoratic pain began Dx buldge @ T-8 08/02
Had MRI on Lumbar because pain was returning, also scaned T spine 8/02, Dx recurrent L5/S1 herniation and new herniation @ level L4/5
Cervical pain began 2/03
Had MRI~Dx herination @ level C 6/7
Had anterior decompresion with hardware and use of my own hip bone graft to C 6/7 8/14/03
Now waiting for neck to heal to get my lumbar fusion...whoo~hoo
Saving all my pennies for trip to Austrailia to get the ADR!!
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L5/S1 herniation 7mm 01/18/00
Microdiscectomy/Laminectomy 10/12/00
Thoratic pain began Dx buldge @ T-8 08/02
Had MRI on Lumbar because pain was returning, also scaned T spine 8/02, Dx recurrent L5/S1 herniation and new herniation @ level L4/5
Cervical pain began 2/03
Had MRI~Dx herination @ level C 6/7
Had anterior decompresion with hardware and use of my own hip bone graft to C 6/7 8/14/03
Accepted in Clinical trials/getting my 2 level Prodisc ADR in Feb!

 
Old 10-05-2003, 05:28 AM   #6
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Hi,

This is just a follow up really. The biggest connection between the neck and heart is as many people know all the nerves that branch out from the spine as well as other linked nerves (not directly connected to the spine). One nerve that affects heart rate dramatically (either speeding up or slowing down and even misfiring and rythm problems) is the Vagus nerve. This very influential and important nerve runs from the brain all the way down to the stomach. It passes through the cervical area and then branches out with many diffuse nerve endings connected to most of the major organs. It just so happens that the Vagus nerve is one nerve that is likely to be damaged during surgery, a lot of people experience this damage as horsness or loss of voice. In 99% of cases this is just very temporary but in some cases can lead to permenant damage. This damage is most likely with an anterior fusion of the cervical area.

Many people that have heart rythm problems that are benign are told by there doctors and specialists to carry out a vagal manouver to terminate or end particulalry bad episodes of 'funny rythms' (arrhythmia). This usually involves bearing down hard like your having a bowel motion or are giving birth. This stimulates the vagus nerve and if you like resets it after the manouver is performed other Vagul stimulants include splashing cold water on the face, coughing and holding your breath.

As you can see from above the Vagus nerve can be stimulated quite easily and performs some pretty critical functions. So just think what might be happening in your neck and the affect it has on your vagus nerve if you have something wrong in that area.

I just thought I'd mention this and as ever its not the only link between the neck and the heart. Its just that in my opinion its a very strong link and to me and my situation seems to make sense to me, just thought I'd share.

Finding information for the Vagus nerve is pretty hard if you are looking for a complete description of its functions most sites just give an overview with no specifics mainly because as with many brain/nuero funtions we are just begining to get to grips with what they actually do and how they work.

Any ways time to get off my soapbox and off this dam keyboard lol

Take care. Richard.

 
Old 10-05-2003, 03:07 PM   #7
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Thank you Richard,

Kind of funny you mention the vagus nerve. I have had previous problems with the nerve, long before my neck problems started. Strange. I didnt see the corilation, now it seems obvious! I do notice that I have this weird cough when my heart changes its rythem (SP?). Then it changes beats, hmmm. thanks again. I will mention it to my MD nex time!

Cindy

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L5/S1 herniation 7mm 01/18/00
Microdiscectomy/Laminectomy 10/12/00
Thoratic pain began Dx buldge @ T-8 08/02
Had MRI on Lumbar because pain was returning, also scaned T spine 8/02, Dx recurrent L5/S1 herniation and new herniation @ level L4/5
Cervical pain began 2/03
Had MRI~Dx herination @ level C 6/7
Had anterior decompresion with hardware and use of my own hip bone graft to C 6/7 8/14/03
Now waiting for neck to heal to get my lumbar fusion...whoo~hoo
Saving all my pennies for trip to Austrailia to get the ADR!!
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L5/S1 herniation 7mm 01/18/00
Microdiscectomy/Laminectomy 10/12/00
Thoratic pain began Dx buldge @ T-8 08/02
Had MRI on Lumbar because pain was returning, also scaned T spine 8/02, Dx recurrent L5/S1 herniation and new herniation @ level L4/5
Cervical pain began 2/03
Had MRI~Dx herination @ level C 6/7
Had anterior decompresion with hardware and use of my own hip bone graft to C 6/7 8/14/03
Accepted in Clinical trials/getting my 2 level Prodisc ADR in Feb!

 
Old 10-23-2003, 06:08 PM   #8
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I can relate as after my cervical herniation I had irregular heart beat like air was bumping up my windpipe.

Heart monitoring for 24 hours caught this yet Ultra sound reveald no mitral prolapse. Dr. said it could still be there but unseen.

Then I tell Chiro about it and how it comes and goes especially if lying on left side. he was completely familiar and said that of maybe 10 patients a year who prsent with cervical herniation many talk of this.

The cab driver who couldn't turn head (and i asked why) due to disc fusions told me his neck got so bad it caused a heart attack due to a nerve that is compressed with cervical herniations especially c5 6.

It makes sense.

Thought I would extend my knowledge of this.

NERO

 
Old 11-09-2003, 04:02 PM   #9
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Hello there Nero,

Thanks for the update and the information that you have shared with us. Its taken me a little while to answer this but your update is much appreciated. I still keep an eye on this post/question as it is of particular interest to me. I have also been speaking to a few other people and they also report quite severe arrhythmias shortly after there cervical fusions all so far have been c5-6 or c6-7 no other discs at all, and all ACDF single fusion with bone (own) and hardware.

I still haven't got the results or had a chance to speak to my neuro surgeon as he is on Holiday even though my MRI films are back. Things seem to take a lot longer here in the UK

I am due some time this week to speak over the phone with my Neuro and will be especially interested in what he has to say as I have come to the point where I really need some answers from him.

Lets us know how you go and and keep in touch

I check the boards every couple of days or so, so it may take me a few days to reply now that I am used to the new board LOL.

Take care

Richard.

 
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