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Old 07-24-2002, 06:53 PM   #1
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Question Does anyone NOT vaccinate?

I am interested to hear from people who do not vaccinate their children. Are there any problems and how are the children able to go to school without them? My daughter had a VIOLENT reaction to her immunizations when she was a little less than 2 months old. She immediately had seizures that her pediatrition said was not related. While in the children's hospital, she was tested by every test imaginable! she was released with the instructions by the specialist--"DO NOT VACCINATE!!". Her last seizure was when she was 1. she just turned 4 and will be attending school in august. We moved twice and have been through several doctors who just want me to go ahead and vaccinate her. I can't force myself to do it. In SC, I can sign a freedom of religion form (but my religion has to support not vaccinating...and it doesn't.) The other issue is that I have a 2 year old that isn't vaccinated either! I just could not make myself do it knowing that my middle child had had those reactions!!!!!!!! Believe me, some doctors make me feel like a negligent or Bad Mom for not doing it! I met someone in my area who was in a similar situation and when her son was starting school she let him get the shots and he had a MAJOR seizure and is now permanently disabled! I hope that you all can help me out! I have also been told to try to find a chiroprator or a homogenic dr to help.....

 
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In SC you can get a medical exemption from vaccines. Get your pediatrician to contact the doctor who told you not to vaccinate. They will fill out the waiver and that should be that.

 
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I was successful in getting the doctor to sign for my daughter to not have to have the vaccinations (temporarily and not permanantly though). However, i don't know what I am going to do since my youngest isn't vaccinated either. It was too scary for me to give the shots to her knowing what happened with my other daughter. I guess I will keep trying to find a doctor that can see my point!

 
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I would imagine that you could be exempted with your youngest, as well based solely on the reaction of your oldest. To me....that is a good precedent that your youngest may react in the same way.

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When the hospital first discovered that your oldest child should not be vaccinated, did they perform any antibody or HLA tests? These are usually performed by drawing some blood - not by injecting anything into the person. If such a test was done, then similar tests on your other two children could be performed to determine whether they have similar antibodies. The odds are 1-in-4 that a sibling will have the same antibody. The only hospitals I know of that perform such tests are those that specialize in immune/cancer disorders.

A genetic counsellor may help locate a lab/physician to get the appropriate testing. If this is an inheritable characteristic, your kids will need to know about it.

 
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Vegans (strict vegetarians) do not vaccinate their children. There is a lot of info about this subject on the VMB (the vegan message board)

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Thanks everyone for the info. I looked through the medical file that I have and I don't see that the childrens hospital performed that antibody test. There were a lot of blood tests done though. They also did numerous other tests like MRI's and EEG's. I will definately check into it. I have an older son who is 11 but he has a different father and he is completely vaccinated. He is asthmatic but healthy and never had any problems with the vaccinations. HOWEVER, when he was 2 months old, he stopped breathing while I was holding him. I had rocked him to sleep and when I stood to put him into the crib, I SCREAMED! He was blue and not breathing! I shook him (so much for infant CPR!) and he started breathing. They said that I was so fortunate because he would have probally died and been classified as a SIDS baby. It just hit me when I read that 1-4 thing----gotta find those records and compare his vaccination date with the date of that "episode"!! Something to think about...but of course, he has been completely vaccinated since.

 
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we don't vaccinate. My oldest had them up until he had to get more befor going to school, and my youngest stopped at 6 months. We homeschool, so there isn't a real problem needing them. Also when you know wha they put in them, it's really GROSS! They inject you with the actual virus so your body will become immune to it. Same way with the flu shot. :-( If you want I can post some web sites with informatuon for you.

 
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Wow, I was exploring alternative medicine web sites today and am so glad to see this discussion going on. I vaccinated both of my kids till about 8 months ago (they are 4 1/2 and 3 yrs). My mother kept telling me that she heard on the news to get "non-mercury" vaccines. I have not looked into it. At the health food store, I bought a liquid combination of herbs to stimulate the liver to detoxify and to get the poisons from the vaccinations out of the body quickly. I kept thinking to myself, do I have to do this? I have put the dr's appt off, hoping to find more info. Thank you for what you guys have written. It's helping me to be more convicted about the subject. It's too risky to put the poison in our children, just b/c the AMA says we have to. Who is really benefitting from this? The companies that produce the vaccines probably like that parents are scared to not vaccinate.

 
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Smilesalot,
They put alot of other gross stuff in vaccinations other than mercury (thirmerosol). Most people don't realize all the dangerous things we are mandated to put in our kids bodies. Unfortuantly, like most parents, I trusted my doctor and I didn't read up on what I was putting in my child, who is now disabled thanks to vaccines. Anyway, here is something I cut and pasted so everyone can read the ingredients, and what the effects can be from these chemicals.
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DPT, Polio, Haemophilus b
Pentacel

Acel-Immune
DTaP
Diphtheria and Tetanus Toxoids and Acellular Pertussis Vaccine Adsorbed
Lederle Laboratories
1-800-934-5556
produced using formaldehyde, thimerosal, aluminum hydroxide, aluminum phosphate, polysorbate 80, gelatin

Act HIB
Haemophilus Influenzae Type B (Hib) Tetanus Toxoid Conjugate
Connaught Laboratories
1-800-822-2463
produced using ammonium sulfate, formalin, sucrose, thimerosal medium: semi-synthetic

Attenuvax
Measles Virus Vaccine Live
Merck & Co, Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using neomycin, sorbitol, hydrolized gelatin
medium: chick embryo

DPT
Diphtheria and Tetanus Toxoids and Pertussis Vaccine Adsorbed
SmithKline Beecham Pharmaceuticals
1-800-366-8900 ext. 5231
produced using aluminum phosphate, formaldehyde, ammonium sulfate, washed sheep red blood cells, glycerol, sodium chloride, thimerosal medium: porcine (pig) pancreatic hydrolysate of casein

Energix-B
Hepatitis B
SmithKline Beecham Pharmaceuticals
1-800-633-8900 ext. 5231
produced using aluminum hydroxide, thimerosal
medium: yeast (possibly 5% residual)

Havrix
Hepatitis A
SmithKline Beecham Pharmaceuticals
1-800-633-8900 ext. 5231
produced using formalin, aluminum hydroxide, phenoxyethanol (antifreeze), polysorbate 20, residual MRC5 proteins (from medium) medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)

Biavax
Rubella and Mumps Virus Vaccine Live
Merck & Co, Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using neomycin, sorbitol, hydrolized gelatin
medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)

HibTiter
Haemophilus Influenzae Type B (Hib)
Lederle Laboratories
1-800-934-5556
produced using polyribosylribitol, ammonium sulfate, thimerosal
medium: chemically defined, yeast based

Fluvirin
Influenza Virus Vaccine
Medeva Pharmaceuticals
1-888-MEDEVA
(716)274-5300
produced using embryonic fluid (chicken egg), neomycin, polymyxin, thimerosal, betapropiolactone
medium: embryonic fluid (chicken egg)

FluShield
Influenza Virus Vaccine, Trivalent, Types A&B
Wyeth-Ayerst
1-800-934-5556
produced using gentamicin sulfate, formaldehyde, polysorbate 80, tri(n)butylphosphate, thimerosal
medium: chick embryos

IPOL
Inactivated Polio Vaccine
Connaught Laboratories
1-800-822-2463
produced using 3 types of polio virus, formaldehyde, phenoxyethanol (antifreeze), neomycin, streptomycin, polymyxin B
medium: VERO cells, a continuous line of monkey kidney cells

MMR
Measles Mumps Rubella Live Virus Vaccine
Merck & Co., Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using sorbitol, neomycin, hydrolyzed gelatin
mediums: M&M - chick embryo
Rubella - human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)

M-R-Vax
Measles and Rubella Virus Vaccine Live
Merck & Co., Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using neomycin, sorbitol, hydrolyzed gelatin
mediums: M - chick embryo
R - human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)

Menomune
Meningococcal Polysaccharide Vaccine
Connaught Laboratories
1-800-822-2463
produced using thimerosal, lactose
medium: freeze dried polysaccharride antigens from Neisseria
Meningitidis

Meruvax II
Rubella Virus Vaccine Live
Merck & Co., Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using neomycin, sorbitol, hydrolyzed gelatin
medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)

Mumpsvax
Mumps Virus Vaccine Live
Merck & Co., Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using neomycin, sorbitol, hydrolyzed gelatin
medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal
tissue)

Orimune
Poliovirus Vaccine Live Oral Trivalent
Lederle Laboratories
1-800-934-5556
produced using 3 types of attenuated polioviruses, streptomycin, neomycin, calf serum, sorbitol
medium: monkey kidney cell culture

Pneumovax
Pneumococcal Vaccine Polyvalent
Merck & Co., Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using phenol and capsular polysaccharides from the 23 most prevalent pneumococcal types

Imovax
Rabies Vaccine Adsorbed
Connaught Laboratories
1-800-822-2463
produced using human albumin, neomycin sulfate, phenol red indicator
medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal
tissue)

Rabies Vaccine Adsorbed
SmithKline Beecham Pharmaceuticals
1-800-366-8900 ext. 5231
produced using betapropiolactone, aluminum phosphate, sodium, ethylmercurithiosalicylate (thimerosal), phenol red
medium: fetal rhesus monkey lung cells

Recombivax
Hepatitis B Vaccine Recombinant
Merck & Co., Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using thimerosal, aluminum hydroxide
medium: yeast (residual < 1% yeast protein)

RotaShield
Rotavirus Vaccine, Live, Oral, Tetravalent
Wyeth-Ayerst Laboratories
1-800-934-5556
produced using 1 rhesus monkey rotavirus, 3 rhesus-human reassortant viruses, sucrose, monosodium glutamate (MSG), potassium monophosphate, potassium diphosphate, fetal bovine serum, neomycin sulfate, amphotericin B
medium: fetal rhesus diploid cell line

Varivax
Varicella Virus Vaccine Live
Merck & Co., Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using sucrose, phosphate, glutamate, processed gelatin
medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)


Chemical Profiles and Definitions, visit [url="http://www.scorecard.org"]www.scorecard.org[/url] to investigate chemical profiles
Sources: EDF (Environmental Defense Fund) & MME (Mosby’s Medical Encyclopdia)

Ammonium Sulfate: EDF Suspected - gastrointestinal or liver toxicant
neurotoxicant
respiratory toxicant

Amphotericin B: MME definintion - "a drug used to treat fungus infections. Known allergy to this drug prohibits use. Side effects include blood clots, blood defects, kidney problems, nausea and fever. When used on the skin, allergic reactions can occur."

Aluminum: EDF Suspected - cardiovascular or blood toxicant neurotoxicant respiratory toxicant
More hazardous than most chemicals in 2 out of 6 ranking systems
On at least 2 federal regulatory lists Beta-Propiolactone: EDF Recognized - carcinogen

Information above supplied by Dawn Winkler

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CHEMICAL PROFILES AND DEFINITIONS:

Sources: EDF (Environmental Defense Fund) & MME (Mosby's Medical
Encyclopdia)

Ammonium Sulfate:
EDF Suspected - gastrointestinal or liver toxicant, neurotoxicant,
respiratory toxicant

Amphotericin B:
MME definintion - a drug used to treat fungus infections. Known
allergyto this drug prohibits use. Side effects include blood clots,
blood
defects, kidney problems, nausea and fever. When used on the skin,
allergic reactions can occur.

Aluminum:
EDF Suspected - cardiovascular or blood toxicant, neurotoxicant,
respiratory toxicant. More hazardous than most chemicals in 2 out of 6
ranking systems on at least 2 federal regulatory lists

Beta-Propiolactone:
EDF Recognized - carcinogen
EDF Suspected - gastrointestinal or liver toxicant, respiratory
toxicant, skin or sense organ toxicant. More hazardous than most
chemicals in 3 out of 3 ranking systems on at least 5 federal
regulatory
lists Ranked as one of the most hazardous compounds (worst 10%) to
humans

Formaldehyde:
EDF Recognized - carcinogen
Suspected - gastrointestinal or liver toxicant, immunotoxicant,
neurotoxicant, reproductive toxicant, respiratory toxicant
skin or sense organ toxicant
More hazardous than most chemicals in 5 out of 12 ranking systems on
at
least 8 federal regulatory lists Ranked as one of the most hazardous
compounds (worst 10%) to ecosystems and human health

Gentamicin Sulfate: an antibiotic

Hydrolyzed Gelatin: obtained from selected pieces of calf and cattle
skins, de-mineralized cattle bones (ossein) and porkskin

Monosodium Glutamate: Normally used as a flavor enhancer in a variety
of foods, however, due to concerns expressed by the American Academy
of
Pediatrics, MSG was removed from all products intended for use in
infants under the age of one. Injections of glutamate into laboratory
animals have resulted in damage to nerve cells in the brain.

Neomycin: an antibiotic

Phenol : aka Carbolic Acid
EDF Suspected - cardiovascular or blood toxicant, developmental
toxicant, gastrointestinal or liver toxicant, kidney toxicant,
neurotoxicant, respiratory toxicant, skin or sense organ toxicant
Morehazardous than most chemicals in 3 out of 10 ranking systems on
at least
8 federal regulatory lists

Phenoxyethanol: aka Antifreeze
EDF Suspected - developmental toxicant, reproductive toxicant Less
hazardous than most chemicals in 3 ranking systems
Polyribosylribitol: a component of the Hib bacterium

Polymyxin: an antibiotic

Polysorbate:
EDF Suspected - skin or sense organ toxicant
Sorbitol: EDF Suspected - gastrointestinal or liver toxicant Less
hazardous than most chemicals in 1 ranking system

Streptomycin: an antibiotic
Sucrose: refined sugar

Thimerosal:
EDF Recognized - development toxicant
Suspected - skin or sense organ toxicant

Tri(n)butylphosphate:
EDF Suspected - kidney toxicant, neurotoxicant More hazardous than
most
chemicals in 2 out of 3 ranking systems on at least 1 federal
regulatory
list




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Old 08-16-2002, 04:43 PM   #11
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*****caution*****as an adult joining the armed services and/or traveling abroad, most vaccinations are given again though so few require 'boosters' .i contracted a form of polio from the live/attenuated oral polio vaccine produced by lederle labs. this was 10 years ago and i am still considered 50% disabled at only age 32! an example of the reactions not being documented correctly is that lederele labs has claimed only 1 in 2.6 million have a reaction, whereas my neurologist has shown me documents stating it is closer to 1 in 600,000. my specific nerve disorder has also been known to occur after an adult has received a 'flu' vaccine, too, so be careful!!! also,...........for anyone that has had a reaction, or their child has, ask your doctor/congressman/librarian about the NATIONAL CHILDHOOD VACINE ACT. they can provide aid if contacted within the legal limits for your state. GOOD LUCK to all!

 
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thanks everyone for the replies...and thanks to nicksmom for that useful info (as always!) i have the medical exempt form for my oldest daughter but the state health dept contacted the specialist for records (they asked me to sign for this to happen) i thought they just wanted them so they can see that she did have the seizures after her vaccinations...and now i get a letter stating that they want to reevaluate her to see if she can get all except the pertussis one! they said that it is the one that causes "all the seizures and harmful results"...and now, they asked for social services to be involved since my youngest daughter is not vaccinated and had never had a seizure. my now-ex ped doctor said that it was against his medical recommendation that i didn't vaccinate her. i am so sick of the system "BULLYING" me and making me feel like a bad mommy for not vaccinating. Like i said before, i went along with it and my oldest child is totally vaccinated...i read those risks and thought that the odds were so minute that it was just there to cover there butts! i had no idea what could happen and no one had ever warned me of all the things that happen and are not recorded. it is like the doctors hospitalize these ones that have complications but it is never recorded as a "reaction to the shot". another thing--- my husband picked up a copy of the original records from the pediatrition that administered the shot last week and we found that the shot was recorded as being given on the same day that she was RELEASED from the hospital for the seizures! something is TOO fishy!

 
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Soccormom, I really feel for you and I'm sorry that you have to deal with this. I thought this was a free country??? But it looks like the government owns us! The doctors are right on one thing when they say that it's the pertussis that causes seizures. But like the list of ingredients that I listed above, they have dangerous indredients in all of them. My son was disabled because of the toxins....the mercury, and aluminum. His body can't detox fast enough on his own so it built up in him and now he has autistic like behaviors. Anyway, keep up the fight and let these people know that they will be responsiable if anything happens to your children....hopefully they won't touch them.

 
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Nicksmom,
It is so frustrating to deal with but I also look at it in different ways. I am so fortunate that her reaction was seizures....difficult to see for a long time, but when I hear stories like yours where it is major phyical damage and even death in some cases, it really makes me angry that the government hides this stuff from us. bellesera was right too...we often only think of children being vaccinated. My daughter's neuro
told me that there is NO way for them to even know WHO has had reactions.They just post that 1:1,000,000,000 on the sheets that we sign! I will not let them vaccinate her....you may see me on the national news or something but I will not let them bully me!! that is my baby and I was willing to vaccinate all of my children at first (when I was totally in the dark!) but now that she had the reaction and we know the true risks, It will NOT happen again! I must admit though, that it is scary as a parent, to worry about the diseases that she isn't vaccinated against. I know that if (God forbid) she actually got sick from some of those diseases, I would feel so guilty. It has been a battle for me for almost 4 years. I KNOW that she had the reaction from the shot and I know now that we don't get the true percentages of risk of damage. I just cannot vaccinate her in fear of the next reaction being disabling or possibly fatal to her.

 
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Its funny that you posted that we sign the forms that reactions only happen to 1:1,000,000,000. I just read this artical on some recent research. It said 1 in every 12 kids have a reaction now, because we are supposed to give are kids alot more these days. The reactions varied to disorders such as autism, retardation, seizures, add, adhd, diabetes, asthma and thyroid. I guess we have to watch many more kids develope serious problems before the government will do anything. Anyway, about being worried about not vaccinating your kids because there is that risk of disease.....try not to. We don't have a wide spread of disease like we used to, so that will cut down on the odds. If your child does come down with one of the diseases, it's more treatable then what it used to be in the old days. We have antibiotics now, and medical doctors have more knowlege in treating people now. I talked to my son's ped about this already. I was terrified to try for a second child for a long time because I knew with my family history, that vaccinations would be dangerous....so I asked my son doctor many questions. He basically told me that the only disease that is hard to treat and is sometimes fatal to babies is pertusiss, but after the age of two, it's easier to manage.

 
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