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Old 08-22-2004, 12:55 PM   #1
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Midwest, what do you think?

I was told by Chris on the Post Traumatic Stress Disorder board that you would be able to give me informative feedback on my lastest test results.

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Well, here are my latest thryoid test results, go back for my 6 month thryoid scan next Thursday, they're watching this little tiny nodule I have. I also had my cortisol ran by my gyne, not because of fatigue but because of tremors and anxiety and also I have PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder). Anyone here know about an ACHT test where your adrenaline glands are tested for stress? Anyone have expert input on this is greatly appreciated. I haven't spoken to my gyne yet, I know that she said I'm in perimenopause which is hell itself to go through, but I know she'll say these tests are normal cause they're in normal range, no doctor I have ever been to has treated me for normal low or normal high problems with my thyroid.

Thyroid: TSH=1.259 Normal Ranges: 0.40-4.10
FT4 0.88 Normal Ranges: 0.70-2.20

Thyroglob Auto AB (Units/ML) <2 Reference Range <2.0
MCSM/Thyroid Peroxidase AB: <2 Reference Range <2.0


Cortisol AM (mcg/dL): 7.64 (I did this around 9:00 am) fasting
Reference Range: 6.2-19.4

Hope to hear from you.

Andrea

 
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Re: Midwest, what do you think?

Thanks Chris for all of your help. By the way, I'm beginning school again and getting my bachelors in Alternative Medicine.

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Re: Midwest, what do you think?

Andrea,
Opalfirejucika explained your results pretty well on your other thread.
I don't remember exactly what she said, but I bet she mentioned how test results within the "normal" range don't mean much at all.
Your free T4 is low, so I'd say you're hypo despite a normal-looking TSH. And I'm sure if you're having adrenal issues, the two conditions interplay. I can't recommend a course of action except to say that a holistic specialist will be better able to see how the two relate and be better equipped to treat them together.

I think you said you couldn't find an osteopath who accepts your insurance. Your only recourse might be to start phoning all the MDs in the insurance plan and ask hard questions about whether they ever treat thyroid in the presence of "normal" lab results. And ask if they ever prescribe Armour. Armour-prescribers generally are better at treating the patient instead of her lab sheet... and Armour is often the better med for thyroid as well.

 
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Andrea,
Opalfirejucika explained your results pretty well on your other thread.
I don't remember exactly what she said, but I bet she mentioned how test results within the "normal" range don't mean much at all.
Your free T4 is low, so I'd say you're hypo despite a normal-looking TSH. And I'm sure if you're having adrenal issues, the two conditions interplay. I can't recommend a course of action except to say that a holistic specialist will be better able to see how the two relate and be better equipped to treat them together.

I think you said you couldn't find an osteopath who accepts your insurance. Your only recourse might be to start phoning all the MDs in the insurance plan and ask hard questions about whether they ever treat thyroid in the presence of "normal" lab results. And ask if they ever prescribe Armour. Armour-prescribers generally are better at treating the patient instead of her lab sheet... and Armour is often the better med for thyroid as well.
Midwest:

Sorry, I was down from having kidney stone surgery. Anyways, I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for all of your input here. I will begin when I feel better, to call doctors and see who treats a normal but low range thyroid with Armour. Another question. Wouldn't Chiropracters play the role of Osteopath if they had that knowledge and expertise?

Andrea

 
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Sorry, I was down from having kidney stone surgery. Anyways, I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for all of your input here. I will begin when I feel better, to call doctors and see who treats a normal but low range thyroid with Armour. Another question. Wouldn't Chiropracters play the role of Osteopath if they had that knowledge and expertise?

Andrea
there's a discussion of the difference at:

http://www.chirobase.org/05RB/BCC/08.html

chiropractic uses rougher techniques than osteopathy, which stresses muscle manipulation and massage ...

you have to read down about 1/5 of the page b/f you come to a true discussion of the techniques and methods ... D.O.s are becoming increasingly recognized now as alternative medical ppl ...

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Re: Midwest, what do you think?

I'm nearly positive that chiros are never allowed to prescribe medication.
Osteopaths have all the education that MDs have plus extra in spinal manipulation and holistic medicine. The extent of that medical education is the reason why insurances generally have no qualms about DO coverage.

 
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I'm nearly positive that chiros are never allowed to prescribe medication.
Osteopaths have all the education that MDs have plus extra in spinal manipulation and holistic medicine. The extent of that medical education is the reason why insurances generally have no qualms about DO coverage.

Thanks.

 
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Re: Midwest, what do you think?

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there's a discussion of the difference at:

http://www.chirobase.org/05RB/BCC/08.html

chiropractic uses rougher techniques than osteopathy, which stresses muscle manipulation and massage ...

you have to read down about 1/5 of the page b/f you come to a true discussion of the techniques and methods ... D.O.s are becoming increasingly recognized now as alternative medical ppl ...

jb

Thanks for your help. I just know that Chiropracters can issue alternative medicine and wasn't sure if Osteopaths also did that. Okay, thanks so much for your help.

 
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I'm nearly positive that chiros are never allowed to prescribe medication.
Osteopaths have all the education that MDs have plus extra in spinal manipulation and holistic medicine. The extent of that medical education is the reason why insurances generally have no qualms about DO coverage.
in canada, they can't ...

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in canada, they can't ...

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Really, in Canada Chiropracters can't issue alternative medicine?

 
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in canada, they can't ...

jb
"I'm nearly positive that chiros are never allowed to prescribe medication."

they can't prescribe stuff that has to come from the pharmacy with a doctor's script, no ... like synthroid, cytomel, altho' you can get those two via the internet ...

but prescription drugs -- tylenol 3, ADs, reglan -- no -- for precisely the reason that midwest gives -- DOs "have all the education that MDs have plus extra in spinal manipulation and holistic medicine" ... you can find out more about DOs at: http://www.healthandhealingny.org/complement/osteo_training.html

there may be some areas where alternative medicine and regular medecine overlap -- my naturopath says she can prescribe natural thyroid -- but i'm certain that chiro's can't, and if midwest says that DOs can, i'm almost sure they can here too ...

now, if by alternate meds you mean supplements, that's a whole 'nother ball o' wax ... you can grab supplements off the shelf and maybe OTC at pharmacies that specialize in that ...

chiropractic practioners don't go to med school (altho' they complete four years of training), whereas NDs and DOs do ...

jb

~ what do you mean by alternative meds?
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