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Old 09-11-2004, 02:25 PM   #1
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Question T4 (eltroxin) question

I just started taking the smallest dose of synthetic T4 today (.025mg) and I am wondering if I am imagining things. I realize that I'm not going to see dramatic improvements overnight (This ain't T3) but would suddenly increasing the amount of T4 in ones body alleviate some of the lesser symptoms? I have had a headache every single day for weeks now and today is the first day I haven't had to either lay down and nap or reach for the painkillers at 2 pm.

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Old 09-12-2004, 12:06 AM   #2
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Re: T4 (eltroxin) question

Hi Nat,

I've been on thyroxine for just over a month now, and I too was convinced that i had some improvement during the first couple of weeks. I was told this was impossible, but there you go!

However, what I have found is that the first month is a rollercoaster. One minute I feel good and a few hours later, bam, I am back in bed exhausted. I can't spot a pattern and am just giving it time.....

I just hope that you continue to get better! Keep in touch,

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Old 09-12-2004, 07:46 AM   #3
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Re: T4 (eltroxin) question

Thanks, Felix. I am still doing OK, no highs or lows as yet - but then it's only been a full 24 hours I am hopeful. I am also going to lobby for Thyroid (the canadian version of Armour) next week when I am in to see the doctor.

I don't feel like my old, old, self but I do at least feel like living in the real world again - I may even workout today!

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Old 09-12-2004, 09:54 AM   #4
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Re: T4 (eltroxin) question

Hi Nat,

Blimey! Working- out! Good news.

I too would like to try Armour as it seems to be that people feel so much better on it. I'm just not sure at what stage we should give up on the T4 only treatment. We are both at a fairly early stage in the treatment so is it too soon I wonder? I'm going back to see my specialist in ten days so I will ask him (I know he is pro-T3). It just seems to be a waste of time sticking with T4 only if T3 can get you better faster. What do you think?

Hope you keep feeling well!

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Re: T4 (eltroxin) question

From everything I've read (and lately it's been a lot!) I am a firm believer that the natural product is the way to go. Armour (or Thyroid in my case) doesn't just contain T3 and T4, it contains all the T's, and while the medical establishment isn't sure what they do there is some evidence that they are associated with the host of symptoms that impair brain fucntion (depression, metal fog, etc) - all those "piggy bits" that only the natural products contain.

Back before they performed the ultra sensitive TSH tests (and I say this with much sarcasm) people were being treated based on FT readings and symptoms and they were being treated with desiccated thyroid and they got better.

It does seem like a waste of time to me, and I've wasted enough time dealing with doctors lately

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Re: T4 (eltroxin) question

Nat,
I'm wondering if your "instant" improvement might be due to reduced stress. I assume a big burden has been lifted now that you're through the diagnosis period and finally have some med to take.
No matter the reason, I hope your improvement continues...

And for you Felix... I don't know who told you there would be no improvement at soon as two weeks, but my brain fog was gone in that short a time... so there you go! It's quite possible you felt improved in that time.

 
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Midwest, it could be lack of stress, I know I did feel better just after seeing the doctor. However, I still had the headaches on Wed, Thurs & Fri. Saturday, the first day of meds, was the first day headache free. Who knows. I am keeping a diary / journal, hopefully I'll notice a trend - or not - and just get better!

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Midwest, it could be lack of stress, I know I did feel better just after seeing the doctor. However, I still had the headaches on Wed, Thurs & Fri. Saturday, the first day of meds, was the first day headache free. Who knows. I am keeping a diary / journal, hopefully I'll notice a trend - or not - and just get better!

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you may be sensitive to T4 -- i know that every time i do a dose adjustment, i must go up/down by the most minimal dose -- not more than 12.5mcg, i've finally discovered ...

i hope your feeling of wellbeing lasts, but just be aware that it may not last (i know i felt great on 50mcg of eltroxin), and if that happens, you just need an increase ... nothing to worry about!

i've heard that parke-davis (which manufactured natural thyroid until recently) has been taken over by someone else, and that production has temporarily slowed -- any news on that score? i'll see my ND tomorrow, so perhaps i can find out ...

if you can't get any for the moment, you might try a little cytomel (T3) ...

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Re: T4 (eltroxin) question

Jb, Thyroid is now being sold by Pzifer (or however it's spelled ) and it's available. I used a tip from this board (asked a pharmasist for the name of a doctor who uses it) and I found one who prescribes it regularly. I also know this pharmacy carries it

Thanks for the tip; I could very well be sensitive to the Eltroxin, but I am still gonna try the other stuff

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Old 09-13-2004, 12:26 AM   #10
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Re: T4 (eltroxin) question

Gopherhead,

Just picking up on what you said about headaches. They drove me mad for the first few weeks but went away eventually. Now I just get them occassionally.

Hope this happens for you too. Fingers crossed for you,

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Just and update, I've been taking my basal body temp for years, I stopped when all this started up because, frankly, I was just too tired and I'd forget. I started again last week and it was regularly 97.4 - 97.2 at around 6 am. It would go up to 97.5 if I took it later, like on the weedends at 8 am. This morning I took it at 5:45 and it was 97.8. I definitely think there is something going on here.

Felix, I am on day 3 of no headaches, and last night at 10 pm I was awake and felt OK, usually I am brain dead by that time.

I've also noticed my heart rate is up to 80ish, it's usually in the low 60's. Does anyone know if the elevated heart rate stays elevated or is that just something that happens as you adjust?

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Old 09-13-2004, 11:52 AM   #12
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Re: T4 (eltroxin) question

Gopherhead,

Good news about the headaches. Hurrah!!

I have noticed that my temp has increased from 36.1 in the morning to 36.4-5. I even reached 37 for the first time ever the other lunchtime. The trend is def on the up since I started meds five weeks ago.

My heart rate is also up but I'm not sure if this stays like this or settles down. I assumed that, if my temp and metabolism are being boosted, my heart rate would also increase???

Gopherhead, can I ask if you feel good all day or if you notice a gradual slide by the afternoon? I seem to feel great 2 hours or so after I take my meds in the morning and then crash after lunch and need to rest.

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No crash as yet, but then it's only been a few days. I did notice that I'm not as energetic as I was at 9 am this morning, but I wouldn't call lit a crash. I would call it a lull perhaps? Semantics

Do you eat every few hours? Perhaps it's not thyroid ? I know that when I used to eat just 3 meals a day I would get that afternoon crash; by eating smaller meals every 3 or 4 hours I feel much better; keeps insulin and cortisol controlled.

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Re: T4 (eltroxin) question

I agree that you can feel a difference in a short period of time. I've been doing this for 5 years and I'd swear under oath that I could feel a difference within a short period of time, sometimes hours.

And why not? T4 is converted by the body into T3 right? So it wouldn't make sense that the body would wait 3-4 weeks and then all of a sudden start converting that T4.

The big problem that many of us face is that how we feel doesn't show up in lab tests or if it does it's after 6 months of feeling lousy. How you feel is most important. The key is making sure you don't attribute everything or the wrong thing to your thyroid. Many times it's a tough call.
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Jb, Thyroid is now being sold by Pzifer (or however it's spelled ) and it's available. I used a tip from this board (asked a pharmasist for the name of a doctor who uses it) and I found one who prescribes it regularly. I also know this pharmacy carries it

Thanks for the tip; I could very well be sensitive to the Eltroxin, but I am still gonna try the other stuff

Nat
Ah! nutrichem?

saw my ND this aft., and she's going quite slowly with me ... trying to get my stomach in order (licorice tea, but w/o the "tea" part) so that i'll be better able to digest calcium, gave me a bunch of evil smelling supplements, is giving vit. B12/folic acid injections and acupuncture ... i see her again friday at 2 ...

tally-ho

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