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Old 09-16-2004, 01:02 PM   #1
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What's with the water retention?

Hi everyone,

Yes, I have yet another question (read moan). I've been on thyroxine for 6 weeks now and I am so bloated it is not true. I had it before I was diagnosed, but not this bad. I can't do any of my tops or trousers up - and this is only after 6 weeks.

Is it the meds? Does it settle down after a while on treatment? Would t3 be a better option for this problem?

Any advice would be great,

Thanks,
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I can't help Felix, I just wanted to comment that I'd notice I'm a lot more succeptible to this now as well - but it's been something relating to being hypo and not being on T4 in my case.

My doctor did a whole whack of tests last week and a few of them were related to this (kidney function, urine & serum osmolality) I only have a few back but it looks like I'd been drinking too much water, which could backfire in terms of bloating. I've cut back to 2 litres and it's made a big difference in day to day life, but my hands and feet are still bloated - I cannot wear my rings.

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Hi everyone,

Yes, I have yet another question (read moan). I've been on thyroxine for 6 weeks now and I am so bloated it is not true. I had it before I was diagnosed, but not this bad. I can't do any of my tops or trousers up - and this is only after 6 weeks.

Is it the meds? Does it settle down after a while on treatment? Would t3 be a better option for this problem?

Any advice would be great,

Thanks,
felix x
welcome to the club ... i think that's just part of the fun of raisin' 'em (the increase in bloating, i mean), at least after only six weeks ... i always have one symptom or another on synthroid and after a year and a half am still not quite settled ... indeed, i'm having quite the little relapse (from which i think i'm emerging but who knows?? it all seems to take so long for some of us!) ...

you might try some T3 in addition to the synthroid, or try a natural option (armour or pfizer) ... natural seems to work better for many ppl, but perhaps your doctor won't go there ...

when are your next blood tests? they should be soon?

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Old 09-17-2004, 01:18 AM   #4
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Re: What's with the water retention?

Thanks gopher and jingle,

I'm back to see the specialist next week. I'm not sure if he'll do bloods as he's of the "diagnose by symptoms" type. I'll ask though.
I'm def feeling better on the thyroxine but still have annoying afternoon slumps and need naps, my glands in my neck and throat are still up and down and I seem to be drowning in my own water retention!

Sorry you are feeling rough jingle. Sucks. Just when you think you are on the up. Bam! Do you know why this happens?

Apart from changing meds, does anyone know what to do about the water? I know you can buy anti-water tablets in the chemist, but I'm not sure if they are a good idea.

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Apart from changing meds, does anyone know what to do about the water? I know you can buy anti-water tablets in the chemist, but I'm not sure if they are a good idea.
Felix, I'd check with the doctor before going the route of a diuretic. I did a little searching myself this morning and I found yet more information on why Armour works better (for most) than synthetic. It has natural diuretic properties!

From David Brownstein, MD: "Overcoming Thyroid Disorders" (July 2002)

"Hypothyroid individuals often gain weight, which they are unable to lose. Much of this weight is water weight. In my experience, natural thyroid medications, such as Armour thyroid often relieve the fluid retention caused by hypothyroidism. On the other hand, I have found that Synthetic versions of thyroid hormone (Levothroid and Synthroid and Unithroid) do not have this diuretic effect....

...It has been my experience that using Armour thyroid...is much more effective than using synthetic hormones because Armour thyroid contains other items that facilitate the conversion of inactive to active thyroid hormone."


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Re: What's with the water retention?

That is some great information. When I go to the MD today I am getting some Armour thyroid. I have just heard so many good things about it. You probably need to keep a watch on the freet3s to make sure they don't get too high? Is that right Nat?

I could sure lose some water retention myself.

Thanks for the good info.

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Yes, Betty, they like to watch both FT4 and FT3s, they should be monitoring both of these regardless - but we know how often that happens.

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Re: What's with the water retention?

Thanks Gopher.

The more I read, the more I want to switch to Armour plus thyroxine. I'm beginning to wonder why they bother with the thyroxine-only route at the start. It makes little sense to me!

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Felix, I'd been wondering the same thing. I think a lot of it has to do with aggressive advertising and promotion on the part of the drug companies making the synthetics. They claim their product is safer and more reliable and that the natural stuff is not (which is pure crap) They also claim that because of the natural hormones in your body the thyroid makes only a tiny fraction of T3, the rest is T4 and your body makes it's T3 by converting T4 into it; the theory is that all you really need is T4. For some people it works, but for others?

Usually only the most enlightened doctors prescribe the natural meds.

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Re: What's with the water retention?

Hi Gopher,

I get the feeling that we are going through the same thing at the moment. I'm seeing my doc next week and am going to petition for Armour. I know he is in favour of it so I'll see what he says. I know it's early days and all that, but to be honest I am getting so fed up with all this, that I don't care. I don't see the point in sitting and waiting for something to work if there is something else that works better and faster.

I'll let you know the outcome,

Hope you are feeling good today,

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Best of luck to you, Felix. I get the feeling you're in the UK? You might have better luck - I've heard doctors there tend to prescribe it more freely than they do in N.A.

I'm having a pretty good day - I took a mental health day from work and got all my washing and errands run. I've even worked out (gasp!). In fact I have workout 3 times this week - I hardly recognize myself

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Old 09-18-2004, 03:27 AM   #12
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Re: What's with the water retention?

Hi Nat,

So glad to hear you are doing well and your energy levels are on the up. Good news.

I live in the UK and I know the doc I see is a big believer in T3, so fingers crossed.

Have a good weekend,

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Re: What's with the water retention?

I was reading thru this thread....why is it so hard for dr.'s to prescribe Armour? If it works what difference does it make? I take Synthroid and feel a small amount better but am on a low dose and have been since April. I have the water retention problem and would like my clothes to fit and be able to wear my rings again.

 
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I was reading thru this thread....why is it so hard for dr.'s to prescribe Armour? If it works what difference does it make? I take Synthroid and feel a small amount better but am on a low dose and have been since April. I have the water retention problem and would like my clothes to fit and be able to wear my rings again.
perhaps you need a bump-up ... if you've been on the same dose since april, and it's low (what is it, anyway?) and still have water retention ...

many doctors have been indoctrinated since med school to rely on a TSH and synthroid, and the idea of a natural alternative would not occur to them -- the only thing they were taught is "TSH/synthroid" and the "you're not sick!" thing, and they don't know any better ...

that does not excuse them, however ...

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Re: What's with the water retention?

I am on Synthroid 25mg...they actually took that back to every other day......I did that for 2 weeks and felt terrible. I called and they didn't call back. I went to CVS today to pick up my prescription and it was back to every day.

 
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