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LucyPearl 11-09-2004 05:05 PM

MEEP or DEA4
 
:wave: Hi Meep and Dea4:

I am wondering if either of you have a minute will you please see my post on new labs draw today. I have a question about T3 total and T3 Free. Are they the same or do I need to call my doc's office tomorrow? :rolleyes: Thanks so much...hope you both are doing well and having a symptom-free wonderful day!!
LucyPearl

midwest1 11-09-2004 07:54 PM

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Free T3, total T3, and T3 uptake are all different tests. Free T3 is the one that's most revealing. Neither the total T4 nor the total T3 is very useful, because each measures both the protein-bound and unbound - aka "free" - thyroid hormones in your bloodstream. The unbound, "free" portion is the one that is absorbed by the cells and used metabolically... That's why it's important to know that measurement specifically. T3 uptake is not very useful at all.
Hope you can get the test you need most.

Meep 11-09-2004 08:52 PM

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[QUOTE=midwest1]Neither the total T4 nor the total T3 is very useful, because each measures both the protein-bound and unbound - aka "free" - thyroid hormones in your bloodstream. The unbound, "free" portion is the one that is absorbed by the cells and used metabolically... That's why it's important to know that measurement specifically.[/QUOTE]

Great advice, BUT, Total T3 follows Free T3 much more accurately than Total T4 vs Free T4, so all is not lost if a patient gets a Total T3 test instead of a Free T3 test.

Naturally a Free T3 is better and is what we really want, but a Total T3 will still give a very good idea of how T3 would look.

midwest1 11-09-2004 09:29 PM

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Thanks Meep, for teaching me one new thing for today!

LucyPearl 11-10-2004 05:01 AM

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Midwest and Meep,
Oh thank you both very much for your advise. I really appreciate your input :) I'll just wait and see what my labs reveal and then if necessary, I'll specifically request the Free t3. This can all be a bit overwhelming with all the tests and info but it's a learning process. Thanks so much a again.
See you later :wave:
LucyPearl

LynnHan 11-10-2004 05:18 AM

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I have a question? Why do they even have to make these choices....why can't we have them ALL? This is just frustrating to me that WE the "uneducated" suffers have to EDUCATE ourselves and demand! AND even IF we do, we aren't always successful!

dea4 11-10-2004 06:50 AM

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[QUOTE=LynnHan]I have a question? Why do they even have to make these choices....why can't we have them ALL? This is just frustrating to me that WE the "uneducated" suffers have to EDUCATE ourselves and demand! AND even IF we do, we aren't always successful![/QUOTE]

Yeah it would be nice if the drs actually KNEW what to test. But, the truth is that many drs are not that educated when it comes to thyroid problems and many have only about an hour training and really don't "update" their knowledge, they just send you to a specialist that knows a bit more, but still not all they could or should know. There are a few drs out there that have trained more, and some, like mine, that actually have a thyroid disorder themselves, but its a hunt and peck job to find the dr that will treat you like you should be treated.

LucyPearl,
Sorry I missed your post yesterday, had a horrid headache and wasn't online much. Glad you got your answers. :)

LucyPearl 11-10-2004 05:33 PM

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Dea4
No problem...I'm sorry you weren't feeling well. I HATE headaches! Glad you're feeling better now. :wave:
LucyPearl

LynnHan 11-10-2004 06:32 PM

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I guess, I just can't get over the SHOCK of this reality. I mean, from all that I've read....the thyroid effects everything....why would they know so little! It just drives me NUTS. It's a NON BRAINER to me....and the HORMONES are a precurser to ALL of everything too. Have we been sold up the creek...and continue to be as we continue to be undermedicated and improperly diagnosed? ...oh my.

midwest1 11-10-2004 09:08 PM

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Well Lynn, everyone who knows me here would say I'm the biggest cynic on the board. That cynicism colors my opinion of the medical profession, so take this for what it's worth.

My take on it is that modern allopathic medicine makes money from treating symptoms one by one with the latest "designer drugs-of-the-month". There is no money in restoring wellness - which is far different from alleviating illness - unless the illness is potentially lethal, like cancer ... in which case the lawsuit resulting from the negligence would offset any profitable kickbacks from the drug manufacturers.
Only MDs (or DOs), who actually dare to [u]care[/u] that their patients live well are the ones likely to care enough to learn everything they can about thyroid.

I read a thyroidologist's take on it somewhere - I can't remember where now - that med students find endocrinology exceedingly dull. There is only a chapter, no more than two, covering thyroid disease in their textbooks. Most even entirely skip the two-week endo rotation during residency, because they find it too boring. The makers of Synthroid contribute beau coup bucks to med schools all over America, so it isn't surprising that the information spouted in those classrooms is that Synthroid is the be-all and end-all of hypoT treatment, and that the Almighty TSH is the only test needed to diagnose it.

I think that's why we are in the mess we are with underdiagnosis and undertreatment.

LynnHan 11-10-2004 11:47 PM

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Midwest.....I don't find you cynical...and IF I do, then I'm joining your club. At first, when I was first diagnosed, and I was reading thyroid boards, it was ALL so overwhelming...and honestly, I thought to myself "Oh, noooooo, this can't be true? :nono: It must just be bad for a few." but, none the less, it piqued my interest enough to go reading and trying my best to learn...but it was still overwhelming.... again, causiously I kept this all in the forfront of my mind. WELL....that is.....until it started happening TO ME...and guess what....It's VERY MUCH TRUE! Seeing is believeing, as they say!

I honestly don't think Dr. intentionally MEAN to harm us. Of course not....but for them to waken up would mean that everything they've been taught has to almost be thrown out the window? Of course, I don't believe "all" medicine is bad either....but the refusal of Dr.'s to open there eyes and think for themselves is ALARMING! Not to mention WE as patient are looking for a "quick fix" too!

I don't MEAN to be an ALARMIST here...but, MAN...there truely IS something to this!!! It really freaks me out to think of HOW MANY MILLIONS of people aren't being treated AT ALL or if they are undertreated! :eek:

Thank GOD for the internet, or how else would "grass roots" (for lack of a better term) sufferer's like us, have ANY IDEA that they aren't being treated as they could be!

It's just not right!

Midwest, please feel free to help me understand this reality as you see it, because, I'm right behind you. I'm trying to regain my focus and I don't know IF I'm seeing straight. I think, I'm seeing better then EVER though!

It doesn't take MUCH to get it CONFIRMED from all sorts of sources. Bend the ear of a health worker somewhere...it's a very good chance you'll REALLY hear and earful.

I think, for me personally, I'm about to find my perfect combination....and I'm willing to "go for it" and do what it takes.

Alternative Dr's, that are progressive and open minded and are knowledgable are where the KEY to our optimal health lies. Those types of Dr.'s willing to "use" whatever method available in either the conventional or natural medical world ARE the ones to focus your health on. Even if it comes at an extra cost (hopefully reasonable) and perhaps even cheaper in the long run. I view this as an investment into ME. All deseases start somewhere.

LynnHan 11-11-2004 08:13 AM

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Cynical but with ENTHUSIASUM! :bouncing: :rolleyes: :bouncing: :rolleyes: :bouncing: That's MY MOTTO! lol :D

annemv 11-11-2004 08:33 AM

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A friend of mine who's husband is an OB/GYN told me that her husband was taught in med school that women are hysterical. And when women come in complaining of certain symptoms (I am guessing hormonal) they are to be treated with this hysteria theory in mind. We dont have a fighting chance with people who believe this theory. I think the naturopaths are the only ones who dont buy into this idea. Pretty scary!

LynnHan 11-11-2004 11:15 AM

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Oh...nice....NOT!


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