Re: Strong Connection between Perimenopause and Hypo symtoms??
Renee, I love the progest cream before my hysterectomy too! It definitely helps with sleep. Your estrogen seems high, but then again I am looking through the no ovary eye where they try to get us the lowest possible feel good dose. LOL Why not just try the cream first and see how you feel, you can always get the scrip filled later.
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Renee, I love the progest cream before my hysterectomy too! It definitely helps with sleep. Your estrogen seems high, but then again I am looking through the no ovary eye where they try to get us the lowest possible feel good dose. LOL Why not just try the cream first and see how you feel, you can always get the scrip filled later.
Hi love,
Before your Hyster did you use the cream exactly as they say? I only used some at night before I went to sleep. The instructions say to use it twice a day. My two main concerns with using this stuff are to stop my bone loss, AND to stop my vagina from shrinking, UGH. I guess that is why this guy is wanting to give me the estrogen. I don't know how well progesterone alone deals with bone loss. I do know it helps. I used to have Dr. Lee's book, but loaned it out, and can't get it back. LOL
Hey Lynn.....yep I'm a big CHEATER, LOL. I feel sorry for the docs I go see. I always wanna know the "whys and wherefores" and don't always feel like I agree with 'em when they tell me stuff. Those who will talk about it with me I listen to. Those who order me around.....well, heck! my hubby can't even do that, hahahahaha.
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Hi love,
Before your Hyster did you use the cream exactly as they say? I only used some at night before I went to sleep. The instructions say to use it twice a day. My two main concerns with using this stuff are to stop my bone loss, AND to stop my vagina from shrinking, UGH. I guess that is why this guy is wanting to give me the estrogen. I don't know how well progesterone alone deals with bone loss. I do know it helps. I used to have Dr. Lee's book, but loaned it out, and can't get it back. LOL
I only took it to help the perimenopausal symptoms, not for bone loss (took calcium for that). I think I did it twice a day.
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Hi love,
Before your Hyster did you use the cream exactly as they say? I only used some at night before I went to sleep. The instructions say to use it twice a day. My two main concerns with using this stuff are to stop my bone loss, AND to stop my vagina from shrinking, UGH. I guess that is why this guy is wanting to give me the estrogen. I don't know how well progesterone alone deals with bone loss. I do know it helps. I used to have Dr. Lee's book, but loaned it out, and can't get it back. LOL
Hey Lynn.....yep I'm a big CHEATER, LOL. I feel sorry for the docs I go see. I always wanna know the "whys and wherefores" and don't always feel like I agree with 'em when they tell me stuff. Those who will talk about it with me I listen to. Those who order me around.....well, heck! my hubby can't even do that, hahahahaha.
ROFLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! AMEN SISTER! TRRRRRRRRYYY AS THEY MAY, huh? LOL (husbands, aren't they cute!) lol
You know, the first appointment with my new Dr...I made SURE not to present myself as "too chatty" ....I wanted HIM to impress me! (he did) but, next tuesday I go, and dang it, I'm gonna ask him LOADS of questions and NOT be shy! It's good for them...retests their knowledge! lol Keep's em FRESH!
Yes, the progesterone is good for the bones! It helps them grow....Didn't I tell you that by next year...you'll be 7ft 8 inches?...lol pesky side effects! j/k lol
I'm really proud of you for not being able to wait! lol Your SO like me! lol
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Lucypearl, Lyn or other ladies that responded to this post,
I'm new and have been seeking info on bio-identical hormones. I post on the menopause site also. This is the first post I've found that even addressed this issue. I also am hypothyroid and am on synthroid and my thyroid seems to be fine. I'm 45 and think I'm peri-menopausal and am seriously considering bio-identical hormones. I've read suzanne somers book "The sexy years" and Dr. John Lee's book "What your doc may not tell you about premenopause" and Erika Swartz's book "The hormone Solution". Anybody PRESENTLY using bio-identical hormones?? Lyn, I read back over these posts and it looks like you were about to start using them. How is it going for you? Please share if you can. All input is welcome. Thank you.
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Anybody PRESENTLY using bio-identical hormones?? Lyn, I read back over these posts and it looks like you were about to start using them. How is it going for you? Please share if you can. All input is welcome. Thank you.
I am. I had a total hysterectomy and removal of ovaries. I take 1 mg of oral estradiol. I used to take compounded Biest/Progesterone because I was misinformed and thought the only bioidentical hormones available were compounded ones. That is not true.There are many types of bio identicals available. Pill, patch, cream or compounded. After researching it, I switched to the estradiol because it was bioidentical also and worked just as well for less money. I also tried Estrogel for awhile but, I found I didn't absorb it well.
If you still have your ovaries, you need to make sure your hormone also includes progesterone to protest your uterus from uterine cancer.
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I had a hysterectomy and ovary removal for tumour in Sept 2004. I have been on triest/progest for a few months and I love it! Estradiol is not necessarily bioidentical though, it depends on from what it is produced - eg climara patches (estradiol) are not bio-identical at all!
Synthetic hormones are defined as hormones that are created by a pharmaceutical company for trademark/brand name reasons to take the place of hormones (or to add to the hormones) created by the ovaries. Chemically, they are NOT identical to the original hormone of the ovaries.
ESTERIFIED ESTROGENS (Estratab®, Menest®); and ESTROPIPATE (Ogen®, Ortho-Est®) contain estrogen hormones mainly created using plants. These estrogens can help relieve symptoms of the menopause (hot flashes, night sweats, mood changes, and vaginal dryness and irritation), and help to prevent the onset of osteoporosis (a loss of bone mass, so that bones become brittle and easily broken). Generic esterified estrogen and estopipate tablets are available.
Synthetic hormones are defined as hormones that are created by a pharmaceutical company for trademark/brand name reasons to take the place of hormones (or to add to the hormones) created by the ovaries. Chemically, they are NOT identical to the original hormone of the ovaries.
Premarin, Cenestin, Prempro, Premphase
CONJUGATED ESTROGENS (Premarin®,Cenestin™) are a mixture of different estrogen female hormones manufactured from pregnant mare's urine (however Cenestin is made completely from yams and soy)
Tri-Est and Bi-Est
Ovaries produce three different estrogens: Estradiol, Estriol, and Estrone. Tri-est is made of bio-identical compound of all three estrogens, usually in the following percentages
estriol = 80 percent
estrone = 10 per cent
estradiol = 10 percent
Bi-est is made of estriol and estradiol only....usually in 90/10 percentages.
Compounded estrogens are available in different forms from a compounding pharmacy:
* creams (skin and vaginal) to rub into thin skin
* sublingual (small pill that dissolve in the mouth)
* troche (gummy like chunk that dissolve in the mouth)
* capsules (to swallow)
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Thank you all for your responses. I have a partial hyster (still have my ovaries). I have a feeling my ovaries may be failing and not producing as much progesterone as they should (I think I may be estrogen dominant).
Texan, I don't have my uterus only ovaries - I'm presently trying progesterone cream (otc) - Progestacare by Lifeflo - 1 week so far. I'm not sure what it's doing but I go to bathroom a lot (natural diuretic) and overall I feel pretty good. I'm going to my gyn on Frday to have a hormone panel done and discuss compounded hormones. But you just mentioned that not all bio identical homrones are made from compounded pharmacies? I thought they were, too! The otc bios are sort of "frown" upon from what I've read. Thank you for sharing all tha info -
Pushka, It sounds like you're feeling good on the triest/progest - do you get that from a compounding pharmacy or does your doc just write a script and you go to your local pharmacy? This stuff is a bit confusing and just a bit overwhelming right now but I know it'll become clearer later on for me as I continue to learn. If I could just lose the 20lbs I've put on in the past 3 months I'd be happy! I don't have hot flashes/nght sweats, only the weight gain and moodiness and jointpains. And honestly, I'd probalby be in a better mood if I could lose the regained weight. I get sad and depressed about the extra weight and withdraw within myself. Thanks for your input...I appreciate it.
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The main difference between compounded and pharmacuetical grade is that compounded are made specifically to your docs' orders and one batch at a time. Pharmaceutical grade are 'mass produced' to one standard. It might be more hit and miss in finding the right dosage with the pharm grade than compounded. Also with the compounded they can add in all or some of the 3 estrogens used by woman.
In many ways it's alot like thyroid meds...it might take a while to find the right dose and delivery system.
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Hi you guys!
I've been MIA on this board for sometime. Sorry about that. I just felt like I was toooooooo much Miss Bioidentical ONE SUBJECT WOMAN! sooo I thought I'd give you guys a break. lol
Here's what I've experienced since the last time I was here. I definitely feel a difference in my PMS episodes. I'm not irrational. Which is a good sign! I am still suffering through depression though...but I have some family issues that I struggle with...so this isn't "new" for me. However, I can say that because I feel more empowered with the easing of the PMS symptoms that now I can tackle dealing with the emotional issues that I need to address. I began seeking therapy..which was a HUGE step for me...but it was one that I was terrified to approach.
However, since I'm determined to get myself "in shape" and take care of myself fully I'm doing whatever it is that is the next "step" in this process. ~ You know the "Whole body Wellness" approach. ~ so therapy was one of those much needed steps in my journey.
One thing that's always been PARAMONT has been dealing with my weight issue. My cool new to me Dr. has suggested a book called Protein Power...and I took his suggestion. Which was an Awesome thing to do. Protein Power Living was the BEST book on explaining what Insulin resistance means! In other words it made a HUGE amount of sense to me in my situation!
The first week on it I lost 10 pounds. Which is "normal" for a first week to lose r****ly....but since then after a two week non loss I'm down another 4 pounds.
As far as my Bihrt's are concerned...I feel as though they need tweeked a bit. I'm feeling as though I definitely need MORE....but my compounding pharmmacy guy likes to do things sssssssssssslllllllllllooowwwllly.....ss sooo, and Renee IF your still out there YOU will appreciate what I tell you next......INSTEAD OF ME WAITING for him to "up" my hormones...I'm just adding additional otc cream that I own! Aren't I TERRIBLE!!!!!!!
I have LOTS of "balls" in the air currently that I feel are working FOR me now. FINALLY!
I'm sooooooooooo pleased to read Lucy Pearl that your moving forward with this! I'm VERY proud of you! It can be very overwhelming...but your on the right track. Lucy if it helps reassure you....my Dr. told me that Lifeflo was the "best" of the otc progesterone creams.
I'm "adding" two pumps worth of it to my prescribed routine because I feel that was needed. But, I don't intend to continue doing this every month..I'm going to speak to my Dr. and to the pharmacy to get all that I need. I FINALLY see the pharmacist for my initial one on one appointment in March. Then I can bend his ear!
I'll try not to be a stranger around here...IF anyone has any questions please ask. I know how confusing and overwhelming this stuff is..but I feel that for many of us woman at this age that THIS is VERY benifical!!!!!
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Dea4...I've been looking around for resolutions for perimenopausal problems. I am finding that many supplements contain soy - big no no for hypo What could be another alternative? B/C pills? that's more estrogen, right? Never took B/C pills in my life. Oh boy....this is crazy! I turned 45 and seems like all hell has broken loose...just don't know if it's my thryoid totally or perimenopause or a little of both! I have my Free's checked again in a couple of weeks, so I'll have a better idea.
Yeah right...I used to think it was wonderful being a female...I guess I still do...but I'd sure like less complications in my next life....still a female....oh, and lots more money would help, too!
hehehehe....
LucyPearl
why is soy such a big no no for hypo's? I have just found this site on the web, plse help I am desparate, my dr is not taking any mof my syptoms seriously, she thinks I need to look at my lifestyle! I have put on a stone in the last 9months, I excersice regularly, or try to but the lack of sleep has left me exhausted at times, and having no energy, my libdo went out the window! my wieght gain is getting worse, depression is looming, and I feel the cold, I swan 54 lengths yedsterday, will do the same again another three times this week, I don't take caffeine, I eat healthily and still the weight gain is increasing, I have telling my dr my concerns about this not for a year but they don;t seem to be listening, finally I have decieded to keep a food dairy for the next two weeks including my excersie too and hope that will make then see that something is not normal here. I am 5ft 2 and weight in at 156lbs! how fat do I need to get before they will take me seriously I am also a non smoker.
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j/k lol
What could be another alternative? B/C pills? that's more estrogen, right? Never took B/C pills in my life. Oh boy....this is crazy! I turned 45 and seems like all hell has broken loose...just don't know if it's my thryoid totally or perimenopause or a little of both! 
I have my Free's checked again in a couple of weeks, so I'll have a better idea. 
