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Old 06-10-2005, 06:05 AM   #1
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I am just wondering if in both cases the reason is a lack somehow of T3? I am wondering if brain fogged Graves patients under treatment with meds would benefit from a block and replace, but replace with Armour or combination of T4 and T3....just thinking...

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Re: Thoughts on Hyper fog and Hypo fog:T3

The brain can't make direct use of T3. It must convert its own supply from the available circulating T4. I don't remember where I read this, but it might have been in The Thyroid Solution.
I think the reason additional T3 sometimes helps brain fog is that it leaves more T4 available to the brain that otherwise would have been converted by other peripheral cells for their own use.

 
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Re: Thoughts on Hyper fog and Hypo fog:T3

Very interesting comment!!!!!!

I was brain fogged most of the time under treatment on meds from Graves ...now day two Armour...brain fog is lifting.....

 
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Isn't that a great feeling?
I started on T4-only. Within 2 weeks my fog lifted and has really, thankfully never come back. I hadn't had any concentration or short-term memory for years... attributed it all to menopause. Turns out it was thyroid-related. I'm sharp as a tack now....

 
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Re: Thoughts on Hyper fog and Hypo fog:T3

The worst was the "episodes" of brain fog. When I was "stressed" (didn't have to be much) the fog would suddenly get so bad and I would also get completely wiped out...I have to say at least the synthroid helped me up to a certain point...and I am glad about that...now Armour and T3 to do the rest.

 
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Re: Thoughts on Hyper fog and Hypo fog:T3

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Very interesting comment!!!!!!

I was brain fogged most of the time under treatment on meds from Graves ...now day two Armour...brain fog is lifting.....
Sounds like you were overdosed on ATDs, just like I was. I thought it was menopause symptoms chuckle

Armour is wonderful, but it seems like the more I increase it the more nervous I get, even if I spread out my doses. So I added some t4 to my regimen and it is helping.

So I take 1 grain of armour in the morning with 25 mcgs of t4. In the after noon I repeat the process. It has seemed to help me.

In my own opinion, straight armour is great for people that have trouble converting t4 to t3.

I still like the added Armour though.

 
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Re: Thoughts on Hyper fog and Hypo fog:T3

Midwest - was it the addition of t3 to your t4 that made you sharp as a tack?? I take 137 synthroid and 5-15 cytomel (t3) a day - maybe I need to make sure it's 15 - sometimes I skip it thinking it doesn't do much - but the fog I'm in lately is affecting my job...
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Re: Thoughts on Hyper fog and Hypo fog:T3

No, Kathy, it wasn't the T3 that did it. The fog disappeared two weeks after I started taking Synthroid only. Unfortunately, I don't know what my FT4 and FT3 levels were when I started, so I don't know what changes in them may have brought about the improvement.
I took Synthroid for only about 3 months and had to quit it because it made me hyper in the smallest dose. I was off meds for a month before I started Armour. In the month I was off med, my TSH rose from .03 to 6.98, and my FT4 fell from 1.9 to a very low .9 on a .8-1.8 range, but the fog didn't return. I can't really explain that. It defies reason. I just know I'm fortunate in that regard, because I consider it the worst symptom.

We are all such different individuals, with different responses to the same treatments... It's really hard to say what will work for everyone. My suggestion would be to shoot for a balance between FT levels, not too top-heavy on either one, for the best result.
Watch carefully so that if the Cytomel starts dragging down the FT4 level, that you conservatively raise the T4 dose a tad... Then you might have to decrease the T3 a little... or not.... It's such a juggling act sometimes.
I just hope your head will clear for you soon. I've been where you are, and it's the pits.

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