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Old 07-28-2005, 09:52 AM   #1
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Does anyone have cramps at night (feet and toes)?

I have gotten to what I thought was my correct dose, 1 1/2 gr. thyroid compound (same as armour) and was feeling a little better except that I still have soreness in leg and arm muscles and have a bad case of tendonitis in my right hand and wrist. Now, the last two nights I have had bad "drawing" cramps in my feet. My toes draw up in weird shape and also bad cramps on the top of my feet.....never both feet at the same time. Feet and ankles swell during the day but go down during the night.

This had happened before when thyroid was low nearly a yr. ago. I am not taking a diuretic and my potassium is not low. What could be causing this?

 
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Old 07-28-2005, 12:10 PM   #2
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Re: Does anyone have cramps at night (feet and toes)?

SHMILY, it's likely still your thyroid. Just because you're on a dose that gives you nice looking blood tests doesn't mean that your body is actually using that much. Resistance to thyroid hormones is a lot more common than most doctors think. Blood tests are really a bad way to gauge thyroid health; you're better off listening to your symptoms and tracking your BBT.

With respect to how you're feeling right now, are you on any mangensium? It can help cramping, if that's part of the problem - it can also help with muscle pain. With respect to better understanding how this can be thyroid still, even with nice looking FTs, you should get a copy of Dr Peatfield's book "The Great Thyroid Scandal" - it will help you more than you could imagine.

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Old 07-28-2005, 12:47 PM   #3
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Re: Does anyone have cramps at night (feet and toes)?

SHMILY,

I've had the same horrible foot and leg cramps as you describe for about 2 years now. All I have to do is come home from work and sit on the couch and boom! - spasms of horrible pain drawing one or both of my feet into almost "ballerina" positions. As Nat mentioned, I tried to be sure my calcium, potassium, magnesium, hydration, ect, were all correct (though I never had my magnesium level tested - but all others were good and I was taking a multivitamin). Nothing seemed to help. Was always worse for me in the colder months or if my feet and legs turn cold. (Though even when I tried to warm my feet and legs routinely in very warm water, it still didn't help). I also have had every other symptom of hypo in the book and my labs are only now starting to show it. (Haven't have antibodies tested in over a year).

If you're correcting any deficiencies already (nutritional), I agree with Nat - I think it's still your thyroid!

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Re: Does anyone have cramps at night (feet and toes)?

Thanks Gopherhead.......I will get the book. Yes I am on a very good vitamin from Lindberg nutrition center ( 8 capsules daily) and has 400 mg magnesium + I take 500 extra mg of magnesium + a Supreme B Complex + Complete Digestive Enzyme + an extra potassium 99 mg (99 mg is already in multi-v) + parsley (natural diuretic) for swelling. Maybe I am taking too many supplements????

My BBT usually runs between 97.6 and 98.6 underarm, but sometimes when I take it by mouth during the day it will range between a little below normal like 97.8 or 98.2.

Oh, and I also MSM, 8000 mg. in powder form a day, for the tendonitis and inflamation.

And, Kali, you described it perfectly!!!! Excruciating!! It even hurt to rub my foot or try to walk it out.

I also notice that the bones in my feet and lower leg is sore to the touch ater this.

 
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I'd have to say it's Thyroid, SHMILY. The only other thing I can think of is B12 deficiency. Are you on a large dose of folic acid? How about B6 - how much of that are you taking?

Folic Acid and mask a B12 deficiency, which can cause nerve damage that feels much like you've both described, and large amounts of B6 can do the same.
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My multi vit. has 500 mcg B 12 + the Supreme B Complex has 1000 mcg. That's 1500 mcg. B 12 daily. Multi vit has 50 mg B6 + the Supreme B Complex has 100 mg. That's 150 mg B6 daily. Am I taking too much?

 
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SHMILY, interesting. The upper level tolerance for daily dosese of B6 has been set at 100mgs. 150mgs might be too much, especially if you've been on it for a while. Also, if you're eating foods rich in B6 you could be getting a lot more; liver, meat, brown rice, fish, butter, wheat germ, whole grain cereals, and soybeans. I'd ditch the B complex for a while (a few months) then take it every other day.
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Thanks.................I'll do that and see if it helps.

 
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Re: Does anyone have cramps at night (feet and toes)?

Nat, folic acid and ___ (what else) can mask a B12 deficiency?

I didn't know that. Thanks for the info.
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Kali, that's it the folic acid - if you're taking it you should take equal amounts of B12 (and vice versa). You can tell if this is a problem based on the size, volume and shape of your red blood cells. B12 (or folic acid deficiency) shows as large cells, called macrotic anemia.
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