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PuttPutt 01-03-2006 09:02 PM

Dad has thyroid problem?
 
My Dad is approximately 60 years old. He has suffered with depression and malaise for about 10 years, and thinks about suicide a lot. He has taken many different anti-depression medicines. He has had shock therapy. Nothing seems to help very much.

One physical symptom, of which he consistently complains, is the feeling of being hot. Or not being able to deal with heat. He avoids physical activity because he is afraid of overheating and not being able to get cooled down. He sweats a lot.

He tells me that he has had his thyroid tested and it comes back normal. Is it possible that he still has a thyroid problem even though he has tested normal?

I'd like to help him, but don't really know how. Any recommendations?

Thanks in advance!

also2tired 01-04-2006 12:22 PM

Re: Dad has thyroid problem?
 
Yes, it is VERY POSSIBLE to have thyroid problems despite "normal" test results. Part of the problem is what the labs define as "normal." Most healthy people with no symptoms whatsoever of thyroid disease have a TSH of about 1.0. However, most labs use ranges anywhere from .3 to 5.5 to define as normal TSH. Furthermore, most doctors don't even test Free T3 and Free T4 or do thyroid antibody testing. When they test for all of these they get a clearer picture of what is going on. Try to get your dad to get copies of all of his results, and you can post the numbers here. Then some very knowledgable people can help you make sense of the results.

Many doctors just don't seem to understand that a number in the "normal" reference range may not be "normal" for a particular person. An example of this would be to say that adults have a normal shoe size of 5-13. Well, if you give me any shoe within that range, it does not mean that it will fit my foot! Actually, I could have very severe foot, leg, knee, and back pain by wearing a shoe that is only 1/2 size too big or small for me. However, using the same methodology that most doctors use in evaluating thyroid function, a doctor would listen to my complaints about foot pain, etc., and then look at my shoe size. He would then tell me that my shoe is a "normal" shoe size for adults, so all of my symptoms must be from something else, or they all are in my head! If I merely changed my shoes to a more comfortable size for me, though, all of my painful symptoms would disappear. This example is intended to show you how it can be similar with thyroid problems.

I can relate very much with your dad. I, too, was on antidepressants for about 10 years or so. I tried many medications for depression, and none seemed to help. My psychiatrist was perplexed because nothing seemed to help me. I, too, had shock treatment, and that did not help, either. He and at least one other doctor suspected thyroid problems, but they tested my thyroid (I don't know what specific tests they did at that time), and they came back "normal." I assumed he was right, but now years later, I have discovered that "normal" was not "normal" for me. I sat down and wrote down a medical history of myself going back as far as I could remember. Symptoms that I did not even relate with each other now began to make sense. I had nearly every single symptom of hypothyroidism which are too numerous to list here (although not every person has every symptom). I made an appointment with a doctor who was recommended on a website for top thyroid doctors in the country (do a google search, then you should be able to find doctors listed for every state, and even a few foreign countries). I showed him my medical history that I had written, and he said that it looked that I have been hypothyroid all of my life since I was about six or seven years old! Unfortunately, it went undiagnosed all these years. The only thing that doctors seemed to see was fatigue and depression--which are both major symptoms of hypothyroidism--and they prescribed antidepressants, shock treatment, etc. [B]It is very common for people with thyroid problems not to respond well to antidepressants until their thyroid problems are addressed and treated.[/B]

I am not sure what the symptom of being hot would indicate. People with hypothyroidism are typically cold a lot, at least in their hands and feet. I am very uncomfortable when the weather is hot and humid outside, though. Perhaps being hot might be a symptom of hyperthyroidism (the opposite of hypothyroidism). I am pretty sure that depression and fatigue is a symptom of hypo as well as hyperthyroid. However, some people who are hypothyroid actually have symptoms of being hyper, and vice versa.

Again, get the test results and post them here, and people will help you interpret them. Have the TSH, Free t3, free t4 and thyroid antibody testing done. Oh, it seems that many people have better luck with holistic MD's or DO's over regular conventional doctors--including endocrinologists. Sometimes even the doctors that are suppposed to specialize in thyroid problems (endocrinologists) get so focused on magic numbers, that they ignore all the patients symptoms. I hope you find the answers which you are searching for, and I hope your dad will feel better soon. By the way, a good book about thyroid problems and how it relates to depression is called [U]The Thyroid Solution[/U] by Ridha Arem.

PuttPutt 01-11-2006 05:35 PM

Re: Dad has thyroid problem?
 
also2tired - Thanks for your reply. I am trying to get my Dad's full test results, but my Mom did tell me that his TSH (hope I am remembering that right) is 1.48.

PuttPutt 04-26-2006 09:26 PM

Re: Dad has thyroid problem?
 
I finally have some details from my Dad's thyroid tests. Here are his numbers:
T4 6.32
TSH 2.41
ALT 55

Anyone gather anything meaningful from this? Advice?

His symptoms include depression, malaise and the feeling of being hot and not being able to feel cooled down.

Thanks in advance!

adamace1 04-26-2006 09:49 PM

Re: Dad has thyroid problem?
 
I'm sorry to hear about your dad. I hope thing get better for you guys. I wonder whats going on, Feeling hot and sweating alot is more hyper, than hypo, and being depressed is more of a Hypo syptom. Does he have good days bad days? Does he have any more of the the symptoms? Of hyperthyroidism or hypothyroidism. I'm sure we could help more if we knew more.

ellie342 04-27-2006 06:37 AM

Re: Dad has thyroid problem?
 
You don't post the lab ranges, but I'm betting that T4 is a total T4, not free, and the ranges for total T4 are usually around 5-12 or so. That would mean your dad's thyroid hormone is near the bottom of the normal range.

He should be retested and have the following tests done:
TSH
FREE T4
FREE T3
anti-TPO antibodies
anti-TG antibodies

Is there a family history of thyroid disease? And also, has your father had his testosterone levels checked, and his prolactin levels?

Ellie

pinkprincess3 04-27-2006 06:58 AM

Re: Dad has thyroid problem?
 
PuttPutt...sorry about your dad...some good thyroid books that may help him,that you miight like to read or have him read...Could It Be My Thyroid? by Sheldon Rubenfeld,MD...Thyroid Power by Richard Shames,MD...the first book has people and their stories/symptoms...please let us know what happens...

KittenPaws 04-27-2006 07:29 PM

Re: Dad has thyroid problem?
 
Puttputt im praying for you and your dad.

I am hypothyroid, but i also have hyperthyroid symptoms of weightloss and feeling hot and not being able to get cooled off. I was sweating when it was 12 deg F outside, i wanted to litterally go into the snow. I thought i was nuts :)

I just want to ashure you that just like me that your dad's symptoms should lessen as well when he gets on meds and soon he'll be able to enjoy his sports again. Im not a doctor. But i can be a friend.

Holding on for you. Good luck

~J


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