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Old 11-02-2007, 02:00 PM   #1
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Iodine (Iodoral)

Hello,

This is my first time posting on the Thyroid board as I'm mostly on the Lyme board. I was diagnosed with Lyme disease last year and realized there is a connection with the thyroid. I've been suffering many symptoms of both hypo and hyper, but never realized it because I didn't know enough about the thyroid. The symptoms I've experienced are low body temperature, cold hands and feet, dry skin, excess mucous, shakiness, nervousness, etc. I have been doing a lot of research on Iodine supplementation and the thyroid. All of the symptoms I listed is a sign of iodine deficiency, especially the low body temperature. My body temperature is never above 97.8 and is lower than that in the mornings. This is a definite sign. Iodine is needed by the thyroid, but also by many other organs. Whether you're hyper or hypo, Iodine will help.

There are three well known doctors who have been studying iodine supplementation for quite some time. Their names are: Guy E. Abraham, M.D., D. Brownstein, M.D., and J.D. Flechas, M.D. I encourage you to do research on them and iodine supplementation if you haven't already. Iodine normalizes thyroid function, that's why it doesn't matter if you're hypo or hyper. A conventional doctor would probably not tell you this as they want you on hormone producing or reducing drugs for the rest of your life. I have only been taking Iodoral for a week, but have seen my temperature rise to 98.4 and have also seen my energy levels increase. It is estimated that 80% of the population is iodine deficient, which leads to thyroid problems.

Just thought I would chime in with some alternative information. Maybe some of you have been down this road and maybe some of you have not.

-Dave

 
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Old 11-02-2007, 02:39 PM   #2
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Re: Iodine (Iodoral)

Dave,

The doctor I see works in the same practice as one of the iodine guys you mentioned. I just started taking thyroid medication and was given Iodoral to start 2 weeks after starting the t-meds. I was told it would enhance my body's ability to respond/benefit from the t-med. I've been a little afraid of the Iodoral b/c it has sooo much iodine/iodide in it. Glad to hear you've had a good response to it thus far.

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Re: Iodine (Iodoral)

The leading cause of hypoT is Hashimoto's thyroiditis, an autoimmune disease with no known cure. The antibodies associated with it kill off thyroid tissue bit by bit. Glands affected by the disease cannot make use of the extra iodine. Hashi's patients therefore usually respond negatively to iodine supplementation.
There isn't anything unnatural about replacing the missing hormone from a tablet. It isn't like drugs that alter the body's chemistry, but is an exact duplicate of the hormone the gland would make if it could.

 
Old 11-05-2007, 07:54 AM   #4
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Re: Iodine (Iodoral)

Thanks for the responses midwest and Michelle. Keep us posted on how you do on the Iodoral Michelle. Midwest, I have read that as well. I've also been reading many articles on Guy E. Abraham and some of the papers and studies he has performed. I don't believe there is anybody else out there who has done more research on Iodine than Dr. Abraham. I don't know him personally, but I trust what he says and recommends.

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Re: Iodine (Iodoral)

I'm Hashi's and I am allergic/sensitive to iodine. As a result I am naturally deficient in it and can not take the supplementation. In the US our food and salt are supposedly sufficient for our needs, because the vegetables we grow are supposedly fortified with iodine and the like. My Endo doesn't believe in testing her patients for iodine deficiency as a result.

I am looking for a new manager of my thyroid health. Thyroid care seems to be slowly crawling out of the dark ages. Often it seems the patient has to beat their MD over the head with a torch to induce enlightenment.

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Old 11-06-2007, 07:23 AM   #6
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Re: Iodine (Iodoral)

In my opinion, doctors make patients nervous about supplementing iodine and give it a bad name. I am new to this, but learning quickly. The big difference is organic and inorganic iodine. Some doctors might say that excess iodine causes/induces hypoT (Hash)or hyerT(Graves). This might be true if they are referring to organic radioactive iodine. This is not true if they are referring to inorganic nonradioactive iodine. These two are completely different. Most organs and tissues in the body need iodine to function properly. Conventional medicine would have you believe otherwise. The work of Dr. Guy Abraham is very profound and is backed up with the proper research. They call Lyme disease the "great imitator" because it mimics so many other conditions, but hypoT is also considered the "great imitator".

Have you done any reading about Dr. John C. Lowe? He as an extensive list of hypoT symptoms that could mimic many other conditions like Fibromyalgia and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. His position is that the underlying cause for the diagnosis of these conditions is metabolic.....hypoT and thyroid hormone resistance.

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Re: Iodine (Iodoral)

Uh oh.. as a chemist I have to disagree. It doesn't matter whether it is radioactive or not. Iodine is totally one hundred percent organic. Inorganic refers to a totally different class of elements. Now you may be referring to organic growth or production methods.. but this is impossible when talking about an element such as iodine. Synthesis and production is purely achieved by a set of chemical reactions.

You can damage your thyroid if you have too much iodine. Too much iodine can cause damage to your thyroid if your body cna not flush the excess. I am not saying SOME people will not benefit from taking iodine. But if you are optimal in your iodine blood concentrations. You do not need to supplement it. Doing so may be inducing an artificial hyperT state and this can result in thyroid dysfunction due to preliminary thyroid collapse and stimulation of a latent thyroid AI. If you feel you need iodine. Get an iodine patch test done first to determine if you are deficient. If you are.. hey then take iodine.

But the radioactive versus normal is a BIG LOAD of brown stuff. We do not ingest radioactive iodine on a daily basis... We do not produce radioactive iodine in our biological every day metabolic processes otherwise we would have some serious issues. Iodine is needed to synthesize T4 then the deiodinase enzymes must be plentiful and active enough to convert T4 to T3 by eliminating an iodine atom. What is T4 and T3?
(T4) has an empirical formula of C(15)H(10)I(4)N and (T3) has the empirical formula C(15)H(11) I(3)N.

This is done with plain old "I". Iodine - Atomic number 53. Atomic weight - 126.90447. Trace amounts of iodine are required by the human body. Iodine is part of thyroxin, a hormone produced by the thyroid gland that controls the body's rate of physical and mental development. A lack of iodine can also cause a goiter, a swelling of the thyroid gland. Iodine is added to salt (iodized salt) to prevent these diseases. Radioactive iodine is only used when doing certain blood flow scans and studying the thyroid function.. because the thyroid is the main organ that uses it.

So yes Iodine deficiency may be a source of HypoT symptoms.. but in the US it is rare and there are valid testing methods to determine if this is the problem. If it is then good if not. Don't take iodine just cause.. find the real problem.

Sincerely,
MG

Just for fun.. here are the symptoms of iodine overdose:
* Abdominal pain
* Coughing
* Delirium
* Diarrhea
* Fever
* Metallic taste in mouth
* Mouth and throat pain
* No urine output
* Seizures
* Shock
* Shortness of breath
* Stupor
* Thirst
* Vomiting
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Old 11-06-2007, 11:07 AM   #8
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Re: Iodine (Iodoral)

I am not a chemist, so I can not argue with you. I am merely basing my opinions from the research I have done. Have you read the workings of Dr. Abraham and the others I mentioned earlier? What are your thoughts? Do you feel they are way off base? What about the Japanese who consume 13.8mg of iodine a day and are one of the healthiest people in the world. I have not done the iodine test yet, but will be doing it tonight or tomorrow. I would like to get the urine test done, but will opt for the patch test for now. At this point, I am assuming I am Iodine deficient because of the symptoms I am displaying, plus I have Lyme disease. One of the most respected Lyme specialists in the world recommend Iodine supplementation for Lyme disease. He claims it is the most critical element to supplement. Typically, people who have Lyme disease have thyroid problems.

The symptoms you list could also be a detoxing effect from the supplemented Iodine as it removes heavy metals and other pathogens for the body. Again, just my opinion.

 
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Re: Iodine (Iodoral)

Iodine can not and does not strip heavy metals from the human body. Only a chelating compound will do that. They are nasty and strip everything including iron and thus you have to replace everything after their use.

As to the detox.. yes many of these symptoms are similar from detox of drugs and any other component in excess in your body. When you overdose you reach toxic levels in said compound and thus have to purge it. The process is rough and dangerous and never good.

As to Japan and iodine supplementation. The US uses iodinized salt and the fertilizers and soils in our agricultural zones are well dosed with iodine. Japan doesn't have that luxury. They do miracles feeding their population, but the have to use hydroponics and other means to get their veggies and such.. as is they have to import a lot of food. Also there main source of salt is rock salt and sea salt which are not major sources of iodine.

Iodine is one of many important pieces in our make up. But there is not one miracle element and anyone that deludes themselves and doesn't strive for balance and harmony of the complete system is asking for trouble. One must also balance Na, Cl, K, Ca, Fe, Mn, Zn, Mg, vit B12, B6, B3.. and the other B's.. Vit D, melatonin, carnitine... and many more. If any one gets out of wack it can cause issues. Why because each has an essential role in the machine that is the human body.

Now as to this particular individual of which you speak? Humm... I think I will pass on researching him. It sounds like a fad diet.. using iodine. And fad diets are dangerous. I am glad you are getting tested for your iodine level. What exactly are your symptoms? I would recommend a full chemical profile with vit B12, ferritin, and Vit D added as well. Many of these also can cause thyroid dysfunction like symptoms and fatigue. I wish you the best in getting to the source of your problem and good luck fighting Lymes.. I know that can be nasty in itself.

Sincerely,
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Old 11-07-2007, 06:20 AM   #10
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Re: Iodine (Iodoral)

Thanks for the info MG. There is conflicting information out there in regards to your statements as there is with anything. I will take the information you provided into account, but I also need to look at what else is out there. Dr. Abraham has done extensive research with the use of iodine, orthoiodosupplementation. It has nothing to do with a fad diet. He and his colleagues have treated thousands of patients with many diseases, not just thyroid disorders, with the use of iodine. Just to get a better understanding of where I am coming from, you might want to read more about him and his colleagues. Dr. Abraham is a former professor of obstetrics, gynecology and endocrinology at UCLA School of Medicine. He has started something called the "Iodine Project" and has published many research papers to back up his findings. It may be worth it for you to check some of these out to get a different perspective on the matter.

Have you done extensive research on the therapeutic use of iodine/iodide? I am just trying to understand where you are coming from with your observations.

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Re: Iodine (Iodoral)

My perspective is biochemical in nature. And simply put don't take any supplement with out making sure you need it. Some will not hurt you but those linked to your metabolism can do damage if your take too much for long durations. I will look into Dr. Abraham.. but I know for me iodine can not and will not cure all of my problems. The same holds for my mother, son, husband and many of my family members. I am sceptical that one element can solve all. If you are deficient.. yes! It will help. If not it may do nothing or it may hurt you.

I am glad that you are checking out your levels before going forward with this treatment it shows wisdom and for thought and it never hurts to do your own double check.

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