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Slim1984 08-15-2009 07:27 PM

I need info on iodine
 
My doctor says that TOO MUCH iodine is BAD for hyperthyroidism and will only make it worse.

However a lot of sites online say stuff like this, "Hyper is caused by lack of iodine." "Iodine deficiencies can cause hyperthyroidism"

But then again I found other sites that say a lack of iodine can cause Hypo..

So WHICH IS IT?

starryGal09 08-15-2009 07:36 PM

Re: I need info on iodine
 
watching this closely for I, too, need to know.

midwest1 08-15-2009 10:44 PM

Re: I need info on iodine
 
The leading cause of either hypoT or hyperT is autoimmunity. TPO and/or Tg antibodies cause Hashimoto's thyroiditis, which leads to eventual total destruction of the thyroid tissue. TSI antibodies overstimulate the gland into making excess hormone, leading to hyperT. Iodine is bad for either one of these, because a damaged gland can't make use of it, making a Hashi's sufferer feel even worse than they already do; and an overstimulated gland doesn't need any extra raw material to make even more excess hormone.

There are relatively few instances where iodine deficiency causes hypoT, I suspect. Bottom line is... Don't supplement with extra iodine unless you've had a blood measurement and have been proven to be deficient.

Slim1984 08-16-2009 07:03 AM

Re: I need info on iodine
 
I don't have a deficiency in it. I had 2 blood tests. The first one showed a few of the thyroid levels to be a little elevated, and the 2nd showed all except one to be normal.

My doctor thinks having more will cause/worsen HYPER-T... meaning a deficiency would be a good thing for me who POTENTIALLY has an over-active thyroid...

So I still don't know what to think, and don't know whether or not I should avoid mult-Vs with iodine, or embrace them.

midwest1 08-16-2009 08:56 AM

Re: I need info on iodine
 
It's kind of like asking whether someone who is leaning toward hypothyroidism should avoid [b]all[/b] raw cabbage-family vegetables. There's no clear cut, one-size-fits-all answer except this one: If it makes your symptoms worse, yes. Avoid it. If it seems to make no difference... There's your answer.

Your doctor is theoretically right. Beyond that, neither he nor you can arrive at a definite answer unless you push the iodine boundaries.

Slim1984 08-16-2009 09:14 AM

Re: I need info on iodine
 
So say I wanted to test the effects of Iodine on my body. How long would I have to incorporate more of it into my diet, in order for it to effect my thyroid and bloodtest results?

I'm not having any "symptoms" other than the inability to gain weight, and slight weight loss.

midwest1 08-16-2009 09:55 AM

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[QUOTE=Slim1984;4059128]So say I wanted to test the effects of Iodine on my body. How long would I have to incorporate more of it into my diet, in order for it to effect my thyroid and bloodtest results?[/QUOTE]

Why would you want to "test" this at all? If you [I]know[/I] that it could make you very sick, why would you want to "incorporate" more into your diet in the first place? One thing is sure; it won't make your thyroid issue better. "How long? ... how much? "... no one can answer those questions, because it isn't a precise mathematical formula and because your body is unique. Bottom line is, it isn't a very precise method of hyperT treatment in the first place and isn't worth experimenting with.

Food's iodine content varies so widely based on the soil it's grown in that no one can really say what the iodine content of a cup of strawberries is, for example. It depends on too many agricultural variables. The same is true for fish; iodine content varies greatly between species and even among animals of the same species. You can't ever truly know the exact amount of iodine you're ingesting aside from any supplement you might take.

If you're asking whether you can eat seafood once a week because you like it, all you can do is to see what that does to you. Personally, I wouldn't drastically change my iodine consumption, because isn't likely to help and has the definite possibility to make things worse.

Slim1984 08-16-2009 10:36 AM

Re: I need info on iodine
 
What I meant by test it is.... do I throw out all my vitamins that have iodine in them because it'll speed me up even more, or find ways of eating more because it will slow me down?

I don't know how much I get through food because I have no idea what foods even contain iodine.

I've found too many conflicting stories and don't know what I'm supposed to do..

midwest1 08-16-2009 01:11 PM

Re: I need info on iodine
 
I definitely wouldn't eat more of it. I don't know what kind of site you found that on; but as I'm sure you know, there is a [b]ton[/b] of misinformation about every subject under the sun found on the Web. I believe this to be one such tidbit I'd disregard completely as without merit.

It wouldn't hurt to switch to a vitamin without iodine. Truthfully, though - if it were me - I'd use up the supply I have first and then set about finding one without iodine, because I just don't think you'll notice a whole lot of difference. Other than that, I wouldn't put too much effort into changing diet. If you want to try though, search for "low iodine diet". (There are a couple of legitimate reasons to use such a diet temporarily, not simply to "slow down" the thyroid.) You can get a good idea of which foods contain the most iodine that way. From what I remember, dairy products and commercial breads contain the most. And of course, iodized salt and seafood.

pitcherred 08-16-2009 01:23 PM

Re: I need info on iodine
 
goiter is caused by iodine deficiency . if you take salt - most salts supply some iodine - thyroid disease is almost non existent in japan -which takes a liberal diet in iodine from its shellfish, seaweed and sea diet.

i can understand what your doctor is thinking.. but i think the association is incorrect. but i do agree that i wouldnt supplement with - other than what is in the normal diet through salt and fish etc....

there is a iodine skin patch test - that can be done to show if you are deficient. not sure how to do -but i think you can find instructions online. you will need some liquid iodine.

javelina 08-17-2009 06:50 AM

Re: I need info on iodine
 
Another interesting aspect to this discussion is fluoride and its presence in our tap water and toothpastes. Here is an article about this and how it displace iodine:

"Fluoride competes for the receptor sites on the thyroid gland which respond to the thyroid stimulating hormone; so that less of this hormone reaches the thyroid gland and so less thyroid hormone is manufactured.

These damaging effects, all of which occur with small concentrations of fluoride, have obvious and easily identifiable effects on thyroid status. The running down of thyroid hormone means a slow slide into hypothyroidism. Already the incidence of hypothyroidism is increasing as a result of other environmental toxins and pollutions together with wide spread nutritional deficiencies."

pitcherred 08-18-2009 12:39 AM

Re: I need info on iodine
 
[QUOTE=mcaimless;4059656]Another interesting aspect to this discussion is fluoride and its presence in our tap water and toothpastes. Here is an article about this and how it displace iodine:

"Fluoride competes for the receptor sites on the thyroid gland which respond to the thyroid stimulating hormone; so that less of this hormone reaches the thyroid gland and so less thyroid hormone is manufactured.

These damaging effects, all of which occur with small concentrations of fluoride, have obvious and easily identifiable effects on thyroid status. The running down of thyroid hormone means a slow slide into hypothyroidism. Already the incidence of hypothyroidism is increasing as a result of other environmental toxins and pollutions together with wide spread nutritional deficiencies."[/QUOTE]


fluoridated water is a criminal in my opinion.. its mass medication .. and its has huge ramifications on health of the whole population.. its probably the biggest reason for low thyroid in the US.. the EU has banned this a decade ago.. but ofcourse - you know how they US is..

starryGal09 08-18-2009 06:59 AM

Re: I need info on iodine
 
[QUOTE=mcaimless;4059656]Another interesting aspect to this discussion is fluoride and its presence in our tap water and toothpastes. Here is an article about this and how it displace iodine:

"Fluoride competes for the receptor sites on the thyroid gland which respond to the thyroid stimulating hormone; so that less of this hormone reaches the thyroid gland and so less thyroid hormone is manufactured.

These damaging effects, all of which occur with small concentrations of fluoride, have obvious and easily identifiable effects on thyroid status. The running down of thyroid hormone means a slow slide into hypothyroidism. Already the incidence of hypothyroidism is increasing as a result of other environmental toxins and pollutions together with wide spread nutritional deficiencies."[/QUOTE]
I have been reading a fluoride action network site, very informative. I have begun to locate a distiller for our home, or SOME type of filtration - reverse osmosis? and am trying to eliminate as much fluorine as possible: black teas, toothpaste, etc.
I take cause with the fact we, as citizens, have no choice in whether we want this harmful chemical in our bodies. What right do they have?? Is it really to keep us [I]calm[/I]? Or am I just getting paranoid and thinking there is a conspiracy in this country??

Reece 08-18-2009 09:41 AM

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A certain level of fluoride is naturally occuring in water-----my town and surrounding towns don't add fluoride---check with your water district.

Jelohi 08-18-2009 06:20 PM

Re: I need info on iodine
 
My Doctor has me add iodine to offset frequent exposure to pool chemicals. I'm not sure how this is supposed to work. I have hashis. It doesn't seem to be making any difference in how I feel.


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