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Old 03-13-2001, 04:45 PM   #1
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TSH Levels and Insomnia

I've suspected for a long time that my insomnia might have something to do with my TSH levels. My doctor says it isn't so!!! but I disagree.

My TSH level is "normal" range, but definitely at the low end of normal. Actually, I have a copy of the lab report in front of me (the lab mails me a copy direct) and at this particular lab, "Normal" range is from 0.5 up to 3.5 mU/L. Mine tested at 0.86

I should also say that my pulse is very often rapid and when I go to bed, my mind totally takes off. EVerything under the sun goes through my head.....and I'm not talking about "stressful" thoughts. I just can't stop 'thinking' and my mind is going a million miles an hour. Consequently, more often than not, I am awake for hours on end. The last few weeks have been absolutely brutal, and usually around 4:00 a.m. (and I am still wide awake) I end up taking my blankies and moving out to the couch, because I just can't stand laying there any longer.

I really don't want to go the sleeping pill route, and would hopefully like to be able to figure out what is at the root of this insomnia.

Any ideas at all?

Thank you!!!

Marie

 
Old 03-13-2001, 06:04 PM   #2
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Re: TSH Levels and Insomnia

I know the feeling, I have had many couch nights. Unless something is stressing you, you should not be up like that. I think I saw the norms listed on a web sight in Tree Frog's reference post. You may want to compare.

I'm hyper and if your TSH is running low, this could be the problem or the beginning of a problem. See if your doctor will run further blood tests (T4 & T3). Everybody is different and what might be normal for one may not be for another. Thyroid hormones are very powerful and any differences in the amount being dispensed affects you. Stress and virues can be dispense activators.

 
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Re: TSH Levels and Insomnia

Hi,
If your doctor is not an endo, or even if he is, you are entitled to second opinions.
I would tell the doc you want to know why your pulse is racing, and that it si not normal for YOU!
Let us know how you do! TF

 
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Have you tried Tylenol PM to help you sleep? I sympathize with you as I've had many sleepless nights myself in the past.


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Old 03-15-2001, 05:26 PM   #5
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Re: TSH Levels and Insomnia

Thanks for your replies. Much appreciated!!

In Canada, it's not that easy to get a second opinion. The only way to do that would be to switch to a new doctor, which I must admit I am considering. But then again, you could be going from the frying pan into the fire, so.....

My TSH level is right near the bottom of what they call "normal", but I do believe that for me to "feel" normal, I think it should be a bit higher. But according to my doctor, the level is in the "normal" range, and that's that. So....I'm thinking that perhaps I should try some herbal type of remedy to raise it just a bit, and then see how I feel. I bet it would feel more comfortable for me if my TSH level was higher.

I have never looked into Tylenol PM. I will do that.

Thanks again, everyone.

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K9Mom, I tried Tylenol PM and it did not work. It most only work if your levels are down (or up) depending on which levels you look at <IMG SRC="http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif"> The med for the hives just knocks me out.

Speaking of hives, I was playing with my dog and everywhere she put her teeth, I welt up, but it did not itch. That indicates to me that things are now just below the surface, but still there. Sh*t.

 
Old 03-16-2001, 02:02 PM   #7
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Re: TSH Levels and Insomnia

I'm from Canada also and it is a royal pain with the Dr's I've encountered over this TSH normal lab value thing. I'm on my third Dr. so far. Finally went to a naturopath and she gave me some booster thyroid pills that brought my TSH down a point and got rid of a lot of symptoms. When I told my current Dr. that, he was tripping over himself to give me a trial dose of Synthroid. I've only been preaching to him about thyroid for 8 months or so. A TRH test will tell you if your thyroid is really working right or not. Try to talk him into that one. (offer to pay for it yourself if he hums and haws. I originally paid for my own Free T3 and Free T4 tests. They were about $40 but the TRH is more expensive. Your health is worth it) If he won't go for it try the magic word "naturopath". They don't want to lose patients to alternative health or they will soon be out of business.
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JB - I'm curious as to what meds (and amts.) the naturopath suggested you take. Also, do you lean towards hypo or hyper-thyroid? I definitely am more hyper, but apparently people can often fluctuate between the two.

Doctors can be a pain. I find it frustrating that doctors really don't 'trust' their patients more...... I certainly feel I know my body much better than the doctor does. Seriously. I really believe the thyroid is alot of my problem.

Here, in B.C., the normal TSH values are between 0.5 and 3.5 at the lab I go to. Mine came back at 0.85, which is definitely the low end. When I had it tested last year, it came back at .45, which is even lower. Quite frankly, I'm sick of it all. I just want to feel better, and s-l-e-e-p!!!

Marie

p.s. Do you know anything about what's in the Tylenol PM? I'm sure I could just check it out at the pharmacy, but since I'm online right now..... Thanks.

 
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I was hypo. The lab values in Alta. are .5-6. Yikes, pretty high. Mine was 3.3 and now down to 2.08. The stuff the naturopath gave me was:
Thyroid Plus with a bunch of vitamins in it plus thyroid. Where the thyroid came from I have no idea. The other thing was a vitamin-mineral supplement with freeze dried New Zealand bovine adrenal cortex, and some licorice. With all the mad cow disease I guess we should be watching taking the bovine stuff. I finished the bottle before I was aware of this. I do moo once in a while and love green grass now but that's all LOL
There's a Qigong exercise that I have been trying for insomnia. Lie back and press each fingertip 30 times with the thumb and index finger of the other hand. Start with your right hand and do: pinky, middle, thumb, ring, index. Left hand do: thumb, middle, pinky, index, ring. Press when you exhale, let up when you inhale. First night I slept all the way through. First time in 2 years. The next night I made up for it by being awake all night. Third night slept again. I will keep trying for a couple of weeks anyway and see what happens. Maybe meditating while you are doing this " I will sleep all night, I will sleep all night, etc." will help.

 
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Hello! Regarding insomnia I just this minute got off the phone with my endo.--yes she called me on a Saturday (she is GOOD). and my TSH went from 14 to a 2, sounds good, should I feel better? I DO NOT. My heart is pounding like a drum on St. Patty's day and I'm anxious, moody, snappy, just miserable. We won't even go near the wt. gain story. As far as insomnia, she said "yes" it TSH affects sleep patterns, usually when it levels out to a good #, sleep pattern is better. I do not think that will happen in my case, as I am now Back on synthroid (ugh) and my last TSh on that was a 3. But for me, when I'm too low (which is good) I am so symptomic, at least she explained that while the lab number is good, the symptoms are not, and that some patients sensitivity is so great, that sometimes I might have to "live with" the higher tsh number to relieve all these other problems. I tried tylenol PM",s takes about 4 to knock me down. Have u tried the sleeping pill Ambien, it's a Rx, and docs, will ration it out (don't want u to be addicted..) well to them I say, if it makes me sleep at night and function in the day...what's it to them" ...but i see their point. Also, I am seeing a naturopathic doc this week, has anyone any suggestions on the combinations we should ALL be looking for with thyroid. (I am hypo...) I have the added "plus" of being a diabetic. So that's another area........(that is under control). But wt. is up, cholesterol is up, and so its an on going battle all the time, HANG IN THERE. To the Canadian friends, is it a good thing that Hillary Clinton failed in her social medicine agenda? I'm gathering you all have tremendous problems..........interesting comparisons....but our HMO's are no bargain either.
Any suggestions on natural alternatives or supplments? B complex is good, also zinc...what how, much....has anyone gone into a health food store and tried to find exactly what you need.......it's a supermarket and how do we know what's good/bad/ugly/dangerous to us? Any thoughts?
Thanks and keep those doc's on their toes.
Luckily mine is receptive and willing to play with dosages, even tho' I do not like the synthroid...what can I do. She will not give me a T3 product with the palp's I have.
I said the palps came also on the T4 levoxyl, so she's lowering my dose and putting me back to synttrhoid brand..hate to admit did not have these problems so extreme on syn. Not great..but not as bad as the levoxyl brand..any one else have these problems.....!?

 
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