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Old 05-15-2002, 11:52 AM   #1
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smoking, hashi's and a theory, opinions and thoughts requested

Hello all, i am going to retype this, arrgh it didn't post the last time,

I was wondering how many other have been in this situation.

I began smoking at the age of 15, and quit a few years ago (i am 35)

My birthmother was hypothyroid and had her thyroid removed. I don't know why, that is all i know about her health. She will not tell me anything else. I am currently trying to find my half sister to talk to her about her health.

When i was about 24 (ten years ago) i weighed about 125 pounds. I started noticing that i was showing some signs of hypothyroid symptoms, although i didn't know at the time that is what it was.

I went to many docs over the years and as the pounds and frustration mounted, i was told by these docs that i was getting "older" (bull i was in my 20's!!), that i was depressed (no kidding sherlock, help me feel better and my outlook will be better-they never seem to get that part....) i was told i had fibromyalgia, and one even tried to put me on antidepressants. They all told me that i was gaining weight because i ate wrong and didn't exercise, which wasn't true, i ate good foods, and did get plenty of exercise.

Anyhow, i quit smoking in 1999, and since then have steadily gained at a higher rate. i know that smoking effects the metabolism, and that does have some to do with it, but adjusted my eating and activity level.

About a year ago, and when i hit about 185 pounds, i went back to the doc and demanded to feel better. my mother had asked me if i had ever been tested for thyroid antibodies, and lo and behold, when i requested (demanded) this test, my antibodies, which are supposed to be at "2" or below were "29". yikes.

anyhow, since then, and gaining even more weight, (i have gained 75 pounds in two years, and now weigh 240 on a 5 foot body, i have demanded to be referred to a specialist in seattle. I am supposed to go back to the regular doc today to get my blood results from the testing last week, and see what my levels are at.

My questions are these:

i know that smoking suppresses the immune system, that is why i had more colds and was more prone to infections when i smoked. When i quit smoking though, was when i REALLY started feeling crappy.

So you suppose that smoking masked my hashi's quite a bit over the years and now that i don't smoke, the healthier immune system is able to attack my thyroid with greater force and efficiency?

Does it make sense to treat hashi people with "normal" t3 and t4 readings with MORE thyroid hormone?? won't that just make the immune system work even harder, causing more damage and more symptoms??

Woudln't it make more sense to attempt to suppress the immune system so that the thyroid could function at a more normal pace??

I would never want to smoke again, as i know that is bad for me in so many other ways, but i feel it is rather ironic that i quit to avoid the health risks related to smoking and i feel worse than i have ever felt, and the icing on that cake is that fact that now that i can't get a pound off me, i am at risk for obesity related health risks.....go figure....

anyone have any thoughts??

 
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Old 05-15-2002, 08:23 PM   #2
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Re: smoking, hashi's and a theory, opinions and thoughts requested

Actually, FaireLadyJillian, your first message DID post (if it was the topic name of "Introduction and frustrations." If so, it's down on the topics page with my reply from 5/13/02 at 1:35p. However, these look like new questions. So you may have meant that the Board ate this message when you first posted it. I hate that.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>My questions are these:

i know that smoking suppresses the immune system, that is why i had more colds and was more prone to infections when i smoked. When i quit smoking though, was when i REALLY started feeling crappy.

So you suppose that smoking masked my hashi's quite a bit over the years and now that i don't smoke, the healthier immune system is able to attack my thyroid with greater force and efficiency?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Perhaps the nicotine was giving you additional energy, and now that you have stopped your intake, the fatigue is more noticeable. Also, Hashi's antibodies progressively attack the body, so it is possible that your symptoms are worse because more time has passed.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Does it make sense to treat hashi people with "normal" t3 and t4 readings with MORE thyroid hormone?? won't that just make the immune system work even harder, causing more damage and more symptoms??<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The typical protocol is to prescribe thyroid meds as a form of suppression therapy. I believe the theory is that if the meds are providing the hormone, your body won't have to work so hard against the antibodies to give you the hormone you need. See my posts on Page 2 of the Info Archive dated 2/12/02, plus these:
<A HREF="http://www.endocrineweb.com/thyroiditis.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.endocrineweb.com/thyroiditis.html</A>
<A HREF="http://thyroid.about.com/library/weekly/aa030802a.htm?terms=hashimoto%27s" TARGET=_blank>http://thyroid.about.com/library/weekly/aa030802a.htm?terms=hashimoto%27s</A>

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Woudln't it make more sense to attempt to suppress the immune system so that the thyroid could function at a more normal pace??<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My doctor doesn't believe that the antibodies can be treated. However, there are studies that have indicated that 200 mcg Selenium/day fights the antibodies and may even eliminate them. (See Page 2 in the Information Archive thread.)
<p>[This message has been edited by ArtfulD (edited 05-15-2002).]

 
Old 05-15-2002, 08:31 PM   #3
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Re: smoking, hashi's and a theory, opinions and thoughts requested

Hi there,
Thanks for the response, i will go read some of the other posts.
have a great night

 
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