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Old 10-13-2001, 01:01 AM   #1
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goiterous foods

Hi people
Can anyone tell me about these goiterous foods i should be avoiding ? I eat alot of broccoli cauliflower spinach and other veggies. Could this be slowing down my healing ? or making me sick ?

 
Old 10-13-2001, 06:56 PM   #2
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Re: goiterous foods

Hi Little. According to About.com, cruciferous vegetables (so good for some people) are not too good when large amounts are eaten by hypothyroid people who still have their thyroid because the foods interact with thyroid absorption. Apparently, these foods are less of a problem when cooked.

I'm not certain why large quantities of these foods are less of a problem for those of us who have had our thyroid removed or ablated. At any rate, here's the text:

(from <A HREF="http://thyroid.about.com/library/weekly/aa081197.htm#4)" TARGET=_blank>http://thyroid.about.com/library/weekly/aa081197.htm#4)</A>

Q. How About "Goitrogenic" Foods Like Kale or Brussels Sprouts?

Goitrogenic foods like brussels sprouts, rutabaga, turnips, cauliflower, African cassava, millet, babassu (a palm-tree coconut fruit popular in Brazil and Africa) cabbage, and kale can act like the antithyroid drugs propylthiouracil and methimazole in disabling the thyroid function, so they should not be eaten in large amounts by someone on thyroid hormone replacement who still has a thyroid. It's thought that the enzymes involved in the formation of goitrogenic materials in plants can be destroyed by cooking, so thorough cooking may minimize goitrogenic potential.

 
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Old 10-14-2001, 02:45 AM   #3
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Re: goiterous foods

hi artful
thanx for that..i have actually seen that article but wasnt sure if the list was bigger....is broccoli a part of this family ? spinach ? chinese green leafy veggies ?? other green leafy veggies ? zuccinis ?? LOL does anyone have any idea ?? and what is kale ?? i eat alot of cabbage too ...so i guess i should cut down..its such a shame i love my veggies !

 
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Re: goiterous foods

Hi Little,
You can eat those things if they are cooked.

 
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Hi Little.

Cruciferous veggies do indeed include broccoli and some leafy greens.

I can't find anything that includes spinach on that list, so I think it's okay. Zucchini is NOT cruciferous.

Kale is a curly leaf green that's less bitter than mustard, turnip or collards. It's really great in steamed or in soups.

I love my veggies, too. And they're still good for us in other ways (love those anti-cancer properties). But, if you're hypo and still have your thyroid gland, maybe you should minimize your RAW intake and cook those veggies instead.


<B>Cruciferous Short List</B>
Members of the Cabbage Family

Arugula
Beet greens
Bok choy
Broccoli
Broccoflower
Brussels sprouts
Cabbage
Cauliflower
Chicory salad greens
Chinese cabbage
Collard greens
Garden cress
Horseradish
Kale
Kohlrabi
Mustard greens
Radicchio
Radishes
Rutabaga
Swiss chard
Turnips
Turnip greens

 
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Re: goiterous foods

thanx again artful <IMG SRC="http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif">
I eat a big plate of veggies every night and mostly all of the above. I eat them cooked, but i dont cook them for long. Do u think i should be more careful and not eat them every night ?

 
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Re: goiterous foods

I put together a more complete list of goitrogens some time ago. Here's the list I came up with:

Avoid unless cooked thouroughly:
<UL TYPE=SQUARE>
* African cassava
* Asparagus
* babassu (a palm-tree coconut fruit popular in Brazil and Africa)
* Broccoli
* brussels sprouts
* Cabbage
* Cauliflower
* horseradish
* kale
* kohlrabi
* leafy green vegetables (turnip greens, mustard greens, collard greens)
* Legumes (beans and peas)
* peanuts
* pine nuts
* Processed meats
* radishes
* rutabaga
* Spinach
* turnips
* Watercress</UL>

Avoid entirely:
<UL TYPE=SQUARE>
* Soy in any form that isn't fermented
* millet (actually WORSE when cooked)
* Rapeseed, canola, flax, soybean, safflower, corn and other polyunsaturated fats/oils</UL>

 
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Wow, Meep, thanks. Would you post this list on the Information Archive for hypos with their glands?

Little, I'm not sure if my advice on this topic would be valid, as my thyroid was removed (cancer) and I never had an opportunity to see how these foods affected my symptoms before the surgery. I'd be curious to check it out now, though, and to hear how it impacts those of you with your gland.

I've always used nutrition as my first medicine (ever eaten crystallized ginger for a headache or nausea? It rocks!), and I seem to respond to nutritional changes. For instance, my current meds have me slightly hyper. A few weeks ago, I delayed my calcium to 4 hours post-synthroid and added selenium to my evening supplements, and now my body temp and irritability has shot up. My guess is I'm absorbing my synthroid better, so I've increased my hyper-ness. (New word, tee hee.) It would be interesting to see if/how an increase in these foods affects me.

But enough about me...perhaps you should try cutting back on Meep's food list to once or twice a week and see if you notice any changes. If you feel better (or experience no change) after a few weeks of eating less veggies, you can decide how you wish to proceed.

Since the veggies are part of your regular diet, (if you wish it to remain so), talk to your doc about any effects you perceive from your "experiment." Perhaps s/he will be open to the idea that you may need more meds than some folks because your diet may be limiting your absorption. As long as your doc doesn't think that there could be other harmful effects from the veggies or the increased meds.

Keep us informed. I'm really curious.

 
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thanx again artful and meep..i will keep u informed <IMG SRC="http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif"> cheers

 
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Hi Artful....
Wow, I have never even heard of this topic in all the thyroid discussions I've had for the past 8 years. Funny that you should mention it though....I suddenly have a theory for myself now! LOL I'm hyper (graves disease) and my doc began treating me with one metimazole a day, for a week, then two a day for a week, then three a day for a week. I then switched docs and he put me on 4 a day for a month. I felt great at first and was gaining weight, and my heart was slowing down. Things were great. Then about halfway through that i changed my diet and decided to start eating healthier. Well i'm picky about veggies, so I stuck to broccoli and cauliflower. Now.. I noticed you mentioned these could act like methimazole....funny cause when I went back to my specialist...I had totally hit the hypo side, and I mean I bottomed out, I just didn't go there, I sunk therd! LOL Wonder if this diet change could possibly have that much of an affect? hmmm might have to ask the doc about this.

 
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Hi T&W. I'm continually amazed by the effects of diet. You just have to laugh when a choice to eat "healthier" seems to do just the opposite. <IMG SRC="http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/round.gif">
I hope your doctor is open to the idea that your diet may have affected things. I find that holistic physicians recognize dietary impacts, but sometimes western physicians scoff. Have you changed your diet back to reduce intake of cruciferous veggies? I'm trying to minimize my soy, but I love it so.

 
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Re: goiterous foods

Hi artful,
no I haven't changed my diet back, but my doc did take me off of the tapazole until my visit tomorrow. I've been off of it for a month now and feel hyper again, I am still eating veggies, but not as much. So I imagine it's not really effecting me as of now, since I am only eating them once in a while....before I was trying to eat broccoli and cauliflower just about everyday lol.

 
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Re: goiterous foods

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Meep:
<B>I put together a more complete list of goitrogens some time ago. Here's the list I came up with:

Avoid unless cooked thouroughly:
<UL TYPE=SQUARE>
* African cassava
* Asparagus
* babassu (a palm-tree coconut fruit popular in Brazil and Africa)
* Broccoli
* brussels sprouts
* Cabbage
* Cauliflower
* horseradish
* kale
* kohlrabi
* leafy green vegetables (turnip greens, mustard greens, collard greens)
* Legumes (beans and peas)
* peanuts
* pine nuts
* Processed meats
* radishes
* rutabaga
* Spinach
* turnips
* Watercress</UL>

Avoid entirely:
<UL TYPE=SQUARE>
* Soy in any form that isn't fermented
* millet (actually WORSE when cooked)
* Rapeseed, canola, flax, soybean, safflower, corn and other polyunsaturated fats/oils</UL></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I suppose this includes lettuce?

 
Old 10-21-2001, 07:16 PM   #14
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Re: goiterous foods

I was just wondering if your any of u knew whether or not iodine has a negative impact on us (hypo) also ?? I eat alot of fish ( salmon and tuna) PLEASE say NO...i cant handle cutting out anymore of my yummy foods !!!

 
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Iodine CAN have a negative effect if you are getting too much. Just make sure that you aren't taking any supplements with Iodine, and if you salt your food, use sea salt or salt that has not been iodized and you should be alright.

 
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