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Old 05-23-2003, 09:31 PM   #1
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Hi All,

I took my son to the chiro. appt. today. I was somewhat impressed with him. It was a rather lengthy appt. We spent nearly 2 hours there. He took down his entire history as to when this started, who he's seen, what he's tried and taken, etc.. Within the first 2 minutes of examining him, he said that his jaw deviates to one side, (I've been telling the tmj doctor that for the past month and a half, and he's ignored me, and eventually, when I pushed the issue, said that it didn't) and he's got the whole head jutting thing. He also noticed that when you look at him straight on, his head goes to the side. These are things that I've been telling the tmj doctor for quite some time now, and he's ignored.

Anyway, I told him that he's had MRI's of the neck, head and tmj's, and they were all within normal limits. He wanted to do x-rays of his joints and neck (which he did) since he's never had any up to this point. After this, he talked to us and most importantly, LISTENED. Oh, and by the way, the masso. lady called him today and went over what they've seen with him over the past few months.

His guess at this point as to what could've caused all this was the metal molar bands that he had on while he was in braces. For those of you that have no clue as to what I'm talking about, let me try to explain. It was a somewhat thick metal circle that went around one molar on each side of the mouth that helped hold the lower wire on. They almost seemed like a one-size-fits-all, and honestly, they stuck up higher than the rest of the molars. He lost the left side shortly after being put on. (I took him back to the ortho immediately upon losing it, he said we'd wait until next time to put it back on, the next time came, and he said the next, etc..) Anyway, the right side remained on for a few months without the left. He said that he purposely began clenching then. His tongue would go there and get cut, and he said the only comfortable way was 'to clench'. (it stuck up really high, honestly) Apparently, this became a habit.

He took him in another room and used the tens on him for awhile. It took his pain level down 1/2 a notch. Then we talked more. I expressed my uncertainy with seeing a chiro., and I surely didn't want to make him worse, he can't afford to be worse. He listened to me ramble on for quite a while, and answered all the questions that I could think of. I told him that I didn't want him doing anything extreme, just minor, if anything. (I figured if he didn't want to listen to me, we'd just leave) He did 2 minor things with him. First, he sort of stretched the area AROUND the jaw, lightly. Then, he stretched the neck out both ways-gently. That's all I'd let him do right now. He didn't push for any more whatsoever. After working on the area around his jaw he had him open and close-no more deviation, and no clicking! As for the neck, he said that this has been the first time that he's been able to turn his head without it pulling, if that makes any sense. He said that the neck muscles would be sore later, to ice them and use this cream called Biofreeze. He also said to keep up with the stretching exercises, and to get a new tmj doctor. (we're seeing the new one next week)

He told him that he thinks he can help him, but he needs to do everything that he says. He feels that with a new tmj doctor, (new splint, maybe) and seeing him a few times he should start seeing some relief. He assured me that nothing extreme would be done. He also said that he's treated children (with braces) with this problem, but also said that he's never seen a case as severe as his. I hope that a new combination of treatments may help him, but I have to say that it made my day to hear him give him hope. How doctor's have treated him lately, he needed that. We all need hope, no matter what our situation.

I also mentioned how the current doctor wants to send him to a pain clinic if he's not seeing improvement by the end of the month. His jaw dropped, and he said that was just ludicrous. "Get a new TMJD doctor, immediately." As for how the current doctor feels this is completely stress-related, he said that after talking to him for awhile, his only stress is dealing with this, he said that otherwise, he seemed like a pretty laid back kid.

We go back to see him next Wednesday, ( I know, I'll be cautious) and he said if I can think of any other questions, or he's having problems, to call him, he's always on call...holiday or not. I guess what makes me feel good inside is that there's sort of like a team working on him together, now. The new doctor next week (which he said he knows), the wonderful people at masso., and him. People are trying, I don't feel so alone with all of this. (I know I'm not, I have all of you!) He also said that if it gets to the point that he feels that he can't handle this, he'll refer him to someone who he feels can. (which I respect)

Anyway, I'd like to know what you all think. Good and bad. Please remember, I am being cautious, I know it's not my life that I'm dealing with, it's his.

Have a nice holiday weekend, and thanks for listening.

Cheryl

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Old 05-24-2003, 01:22 AM   #2
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Cheryl,

This sounds good. I've seen 2 Chiro's in the past 10 years. I went to one for quite a while, who was the "pop your back & neck type". I knew right away he was too rough to touch my face and I told him. I did let him work on my back & neck and came away with the best posture I've ever had. I saw another one about 4 years ago, who used a very gentle technique and believe he could have helped, but I was getting some relief with MT and didn't go back. (It was a long drive)

I believe in your first post here, we discussed the metal band being a possible cause of Mike's problems.
I'm no expert, but I've worn braces 3 times as an adult (altogether about 10 years worth) with 3 different Orthos's. Those bands put on the molars are usually the anchors for the braces. One being off for so long would cause an incredible unbalanced pull. Even if Mike had not clenched on it, I believe it would have caused problems. I have never heard of an Ortho not "fixing" one of the anchor bands, immediately. (My son was in braces the first time I wore them, so I have had "some" experience.)

I agree with the Chiro, Mike's stress has been caused by this "avalanche" of problems caused by the original "injury". I believe with the "Team" you've assembled, he's going to totally recover.

I am so happy for you. I know you don't want to get your hopes up too high, but it sounds like you're on the right track. I believe if Mike believes someone is now going to help him, a lot of his stress will go away.

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Cymy Sue,

Thank you, thank you, thank you! I've been so worried about this, whether it's right or not. It's so hard when you're making decisions for a life other than your own. If it were my life, it would much easier dealing with,(if things went wrong) than dealing with the guilt from another's. I was feeling today that I was on the right track, but then started second guessing myself. I thank you, Cymy Sue, for backing me on my choices of therapy, I now can go to sleep with a restful conscience. I feel that there is 'hope.' I hope that you're doing well, and have a good night/morning.
Cheryl

 
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Hi there,

I really like the sound of everything that happened. The chiro's patience, careful consideration, lack of arrogance - (He'll refer you on if he can't handle it) all sound great. As does his working in tandem with the massage therapist. From the little I know, (no expert) massage alone provides great relief but it is massage +stretching that can really make the difference.

To be honest, Cheryl Lynne, I like the sound of it so much, that I found myself wishing I lived in Ohio - I'd be setting up appointments with these practitioners for myself, lol.

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Old 05-24-2003, 05:35 AM   #5
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Hi Cheryl,
Wow... I'm so happy for you and for Mike!! The chiro sounds like a quality guy...thorough and thoughtful.
You are right... just giving Mike the respect and patience to fully listen and care about his case has to bring his spirits up. The team approach is the way to go (so hard to find these days).

From what you described, it does not seem this chiro is intending to do any high-velocity adjustments to Mike (and I know you won't allow that). The stretching should be beneficial - though if Mike's ligaments are loose (I recall you saying he was super flexible and cracked constantly) - be careful not to stretch beyond normal limits (overtretch) - just to protect the integrity of the ligaments.

I'm thrilled you seem to have found a good practitioner who is willing to take the case seriously - that's validating in intself. I think you and Mike are headed in a good direction. Hopefully the new TMJ dentist will also join this "team" of careful and compassinate professionals!
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Old 05-24-2003, 07:22 AM   #6
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I think I would be comfortable with this chiropractor. The best advice he gave you was to go to another TMJ specialist. The chiropractor can assist in his recovery, but the key is the correct TMJ treatment. From what you have said, the chiropractor knows that and will work within those parameters.

 
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Cheryl,

Let us know how he is doing since the "stretching". It sounds like this Chiro is a keeper. Hopefully this and the new TMJD doctor will be right combination. I know what you mean about making decisions for your child. It is scary enough being responsible for your own decisions-and possibly causing yourself pain. The thought of "messing up" your child by making the wrong decision for him or her is just unbearable. I know that you are very protective of your child and I think you are doing the right thing here.



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Old 05-24-2003, 11:22 AM   #8
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Hi Cheryl,

Sounds like this chiropractor is the answer you have needed for awhile. The fact that he said to get a new TMJD specialist says that he does not expect to do this on his own. He can help to manage the pain but not to completely fix things. If he were one of those chiropractors that pushed this as the only way I would be concerned but he sounds like a good guy. I think this is a good step in helping Mike for you and it is great that you will have a team of people to help you and you don't feel so alone anymore.

Let us know how Mike is after today's treatment. I am really interested to see if this helps Mike as I have been thinking along those same lines. My new splint still feels really good but maybe just a bit too high on my left side. I am going to call the dentist Tuesday morning when they come back in to see if they can squeeze me in to file it a bit. I must be clenching on it at that spot and my neck is bothering me on that side now. Amazing how something being just a bit off can affect other parts of your body. Like the oral surgeon I went to said, it's like having a pebble in your shoe. You know something is off and you keep trying to make it feel right by clenching on it or favoring one side while biting. I can totally understand how this happened to Mike with those molar things being off. I cannot believe the ortho never replaced the one that fell off right away. Of course he would never admit it may have caused these problems I am guessing??

Hope you are having a good weekend. I will talk to you soon, Michelle

 
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Cymy Sue, hbep, Robyn, GenDen, TC, and Michelle,

Thank you all for responding to me, and letting me know what you think. It truly means a lot to me.

I do believe that the key to recovery is a 'multiple disiplinary approach'. The important factor is finding a tmj specialist that is willing to work with us and hopefully help. I believe that after getting the right person 'on board', then it will give the others the ability to help him, dramatically. I do think that it makes a world of difference to have everyone 'working together' on this. Three heads are better than one.

He has his appt. on Tuesday with the current tmj doctor. I do believe we'll be handed a referral for a pain clinic at that time. Regardless, he doesn't seem to want to spend the time with us any longer, so if it doesn't end up being his choice to release him of his ongoing care, it'll be mine. The new doctor that we'll be seeing is on Wednesday. I'm very hopeful that this man may be the one to offer his help, but if not, my search for one will broaden. He sent us paperwork in the mail, and he explained to us that our first visit will be a few hours long. He explained of the testing that he'd like to do, and if there are any tests that he's already had, to be sure to bring them with us, so they're not repeated. He also explained that on the second visit, he'll explain to us his course of action. I'm very hopeful, but at the same time, trying not to get my hopes up too much. I get tired of being let down, (as all of you are) but I'll never give up due to frustration.

He seems to be feeling all right today. (no worse) He usually complains to me a lot of his head hurting, but I haven't heard that much today. He said his neck muscles are still sore, but not too bad. He declined on using the cream that was given to him, so I feel judging by that, it truly isn't too bad.

Concerning the dentist/ortho, I stopped in his office this week due to the fact that I was told by him to expect a refund check for the ortho work that wasn't completed. (he told me this in March, and I still hadn't received it-so went there to pick it up) He was all giggly, saying that he's kept in touch with his current tmj doctor. He had to tell me that the doctor had told him that he felt that this was completely stress-related. I just said that all of the other physicians that he's seen don't buy that. He mentioned that the doctor also brought up the metal molar bands to him, and he said that he told the doctor that the right being on 1 week without the left wouldn't cause this problem. Hearing this, my blood was beginning to boil. I gave him a dead stare and told him, no, try 3 months!! He looked shocked and didn't know what to say, he knew darn well that it was no week. Needless to say, it's not going to help my son by me arguing with this man, so I left him standing there, speechless with his foot in his mouth! That will be the last time that he sees me or anyone in my family. (and might I add, he'll be losing a lot of business, as my Mother, sister, brother, and my family have all used his services) I have no respect for those that will lie to others to make themselves look or feel better.

Anyway, I again thank all of you, and will keep you abreast of what is going on. I hope that all of you have a good, and extended weekend.

Cheryl

P.S. Michelle, Good idea going back to the doctor on Tuesday, concerning your splint. If the one side is up higher, you don't want more problems!

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Cheryl, Good for you letting that ortho. know that this is his fault. Even if you didn't have to come right out and say it, he still knows it!! I was laughing to myself picturing him standing there with his foot in his mouth literally. I can think of a dentist and ortho. that I would like to see in that position sometime. (haha)

Good to hear that Mike feels better today and didn't even want to use the cream. I am sure you are on the right track now.

You enjoy the weekend too. Take care, Michelle

 
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Hi Cherylynn-
Oh my gosh! it sounds like Mike and I are twins when it comes to how our heads have been sitting! Later
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Michelle,

It felt good to at least say something. haha How are those headaches? Still going with the Flexeril?

Diane,

Boy, you two do sound a lot alike with your 'head alignments'! I started looking at some of his pictures from the past few months, and his head always did seem to be 'to the side'. I'm glad to hear that your head is on straight now, too! hehe Please do let me know how your ongoing chiro. treatment goes, and I'll let you know of his. I hope that the both of you begin to see some relief. I'm dying to see this kid 'live' again.

As for vitamins, I've always given him Centrum, but after reading about muscles and lactic acid buildup, I switched, and am giving him something called Coral Calcium Supreme. It's only a supplement, I figured that I too, would give it a try. Can't hurt.

A neuromuscular dentist...I've done some research on these, but have no idea on how to go about finding one. There's nothing in the phone book, and I've tried finding one on the internet in our area-to no avail. How do you find these dentists?
Have a good weekend.

Cheryl

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Old 05-25-2003, 06:35 AM   #13
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Good morning Cherylynn-
In regard to the "stress" part of Mike's problem, causing the TMJ. I had two dentists, no, I had three dentists, one a periodontist, one my general dentist and the other my Nueromuscular dentist tell me that what caused my TMJ was due to my bite being off, that during the night when I sleep, my teeth are trying to find "home" and because my bite is off, I clench during sleep. I probably had TMJ for awhile, but was sub-clinical - (no pain or symptoms) until that jerk dentist did a really bad filling, then the next jerk dentist pulled the tooth. That is when I went down hill. So don't believe that stress stuff. Now I believe that I am stressed now because of all of the aspects of my TMJ, the two years of pain, the unknowing, the finanical, the not sleeping, of course I am stressed!

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Diane,

I don't buy the stress stuff, either. I had a normal, happy kid until this all happened. Of course he's stressed now, he's always hurting.

Thanks for the info about neuromuscular dentists, I'll check into it further. As for the tens unit, at the chiro.'s office, it had 4 leads on it. As for PT a month or so ago, theirs had 2. At the chiro.'s the other day, they put 2 on his neck, and 2 on the muscles on his upper cheek by the jaw.
I hope you're feeling well and enjoying the weekend.

Cheryl

 
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Hi CherylLynn-
My dentist let me borrow one of his office tens units. It is designed specifically for TMJ. It had provided me so much relief, it is unbelievable. It has 3 leads to it, one on the back of the neck, two on each face cheek. It provides a gentle electric pulse every 1 1/2 second. I am borrowing one from my dentist and decided that I need one until my mouth gets stablized so we purchased one and it will be here next week. I tried to buy one on line but the company says they only sell to medical/dental community. So you have to get from a chiro/massage therp or most likely a nueromusclar dentist, grrrr.

Say, did you ever decide on what to do with ER Dr?
Have a good weekend!
Diane

 
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