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Old 05-12-2005, 02:17 AM   #1
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tmj and ear pain

hi im from newcastle england
I recently had a bad ear infection which lasted 7 weeks 3 antibioctics
was then referred to ent who said ear was fine no ear fluid
still having this full and clicking popping ear
i used to suffer from tmj a few years ago attend dental hospital in newcastle
who made me a splint soory to go on to cut along story short
COULD ANYONE TELL ME IF THIS COULD BE TMJ as the symptoms r different
and i get pain in the temple around the ear and skull
i would be grateful if anyone could reply.

 
Old 05-12-2005, 02:30 AM   #2
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Yes, these are all symptoms of TMJ. I have it and get all these symptoms every day without fail.

 
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Old 05-12-2005, 02:34 AM   #3
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Yes, these are all symptoms of TMJ. I have it and get all these symptoms every day without fail.
r u wearing a splint or taking anything its the clogging and fullness of the ears
that i dont like

 
Old 05-12-2005, 07:58 AM   #4
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No, I dont have a splint but my dentist made me a mouthguard to wear at night (bad grinder). However I dont wear it much as it hurts lol.

Anyway, im awaiting an appointment with an ENT for furthr investigation as it may be more than TMJ causing my earache and full feeling. Could be an inner ear disorder also. Im hoping that if my ears are ok this ENT will be able to refer me to a dental specialist. But knowing the NHS im not going to hold my breath.

My advice is to go to your dentist and see what they have to say.

 
Old 05-13-2005, 03:46 AM   #5
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Hi

Yes, these are all symptoms of TMJ but it could also be completely seperate. I have had 4 years of TMJ treatment (operation, splint etc) and although that was succesful, my popping/full ears have remained the same. I too had all the superficial ear tests for wax etc and it was completely clear! It is one of the most infuriating things so I understand how people are driven crazy by it. I would say get referred to an ENT specialist and keep hassling them - you could have an infection/trapped fluid in your inner/middle ear. It's what I am going to do.

Good Luck.

 
Old 05-13-2005, 04:09 AM   #6
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Yes, I would not just assume its from TMJ. I'm beginning to think TMJ is a catch all for any strange thing that happens from the shoulder on up.

 
Old 05-13-2005, 05:02 PM   #7
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Hi

I have similar symptoms and a semi long history of them. First my tMj joints got displaced, then after about 9 monhts of jaw popping, clicking, pain my ears began to go. basically on my face, the left joint does most of the work opening, so my left face has a big muscle mass from carrying all the work and the left ear got so bad I was dizzy all the time, the ear was full of pressure and pain and doing this weird pulse ringing all the time, especally when I moved up and down ( sit to stand etc. )

I got an MRI, showed I had developed inner ear disease, which is fluid in the inner ear. Very hard to treat.

the theory is that when the jaw goies berserk, because of its closeness to the ears, the eustatian tubes in the ears start to not work properly. Your muscles get all wound up or something that prevent them from draining properly and you get build up of fluid.

Theory # two is the brain gets confused about the pain and since the jaw joints are close to the ears, sometimes it thinks the ears hurt and they ring.

 
Old 05-15-2005, 09:46 PM   #8
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The symptoms you are experiencing with your ear may be solely related to TMJ problems. My 17 year old daughter was recently diagnosed with TMJ. This was after several primary care doctors and one emergency room doctor at the hospital misdiagnosed her with having a chronic sinus/ear problem. During a period of three months she was given four rounds of antibotics for a sinus/ear infection that she did not have nor needed medication for because of being misdiagnosed. My daughter has been hearing impaired in the right ear since the age of 5 and wears a hearing aid. She was having constant earaches, feeling of fluid in the ears, severe sinus headaches, facial pain, dizziness and ringing in the ears. Finally, after weeks of her not getting better with antibotics, I insisted on a CT scan to find out what was going on. A ENT doctor looked at the CT scan and said that her sinuses looked good. After listening to all her symptoms and doing a exam of her head, specifically around her jaw area, he determined that she was suffering from TMJ. She showed a lot of pain from his pushing on the TMJ area. We were shocked, and had never heard of TMJ! We just couldn't figure out why not one of all the other doctors, especially an ER one, didn't have a clue to suspect TMJ as a possible problem. The ENT told us to go to a TMJ specialist (dentist) who could provide the treatment she needed. Luckly, we found a good TMJ orthodonic specialist in our area. His entire practice is specifically for TMJ patients. She was given an MRI of the TMJ and was diagnosed as having medial disc displacement. The disc's are displaced inward and are pressing on the inner ear area. Recapturing or relocating the disc in this position is very difficult to do. This is an unusual disc displacement and the dentist told us that 15% of patients respond to splint therapy and 85% do not and will require surgery. She is now wearing a repositioning splint on the top and bottom of her mouth for 24/7. The treatment plan will be for her to wear the splints for 12 months. If she has not improved, she may require surgery. The dentist is going to do everything possible to avoid surgery. My daughter is still experiencing earaches and considerable ringing in the ears. She was recently given a hearing test and has lost more hearing in her bad ear. It is very possible the recent additional hearing loss is due to the TMJ problem, especially with the disc displacement being inward towards the inner ear. Her hearing had been stable for 12 years until recently. Hopefully, the splints will improve these ear symptoms in time. I just wanted to let you know that ear problems are certainly a symptom of TMJ and my daughters case proves that this is true. Hope this info helps! I would certainly suggest getting a complete evaluation by a good ENT doctor and also a TMJ specialist to find out exactly what is causing the ear problems.

 
Old 05-16-2005, 01:52 AM   #9
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reply to lvmydash
i am waiting for an appointment for a refferal to a dental hospital by my dentist as he is not sure if it is my jaw i have been seen by ent doctor and she said ear was clear as i have a feeled of full and blocked ear i asked if there was fluid in my ear and she said that there was no fluid and it looked fine, its very frustrating when you are seeing
specialist doctors telling you that there is nothing wrong and coming away still with no answers , ears and clogging and fullness nothing else is this a symptom of TMJ as there might be answer to all this when i see this tmj doctor but when.

 
Old 05-16-2005, 08:54 AM   #10
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Maughan, I hope you are successful at finding out what is going on with the ears real soon! I know exactly how you feel with being very frustrated with doctors who don't know what is going on. Luckly, the ENT doctor that I took my daughter to was a very sharp, young resident who was up to date on TMJ symptoms etc. I remember telling my daughter and husband in the waiting room at the hospital ENT clinic after seeing his name posted at the front desk that he probably wouldn't help us because he was a young and inexperienced resident. I was definitely wrong! We were very impressed with his knowledge and willingness to find out exactly what was going on with our daughter. I'm sure he hasn't been out of medical school that long and that ended up being a big plus for us! Many seasoned doctors don't have a clue about TMJ!! We are continuing to go for follow-up visits to the ENT doctor and he is keeping on top of her care. If your ears are clear and showing no fluid, then I suspect that you are most likely experiencing TMJ related ear problems. Since you were treated in the past for TMJ, this is very possible. Keep us updated on your visit to the dentist. I am very interested in finding out what is causing your ear problems. Good luck!

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Old 05-27-2005, 01:33 AM   #11
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HELLO

I have been to ent second time only to be told that my ear has no fluid and its fine, i had the 2 different ear tests for hearing and pressure apparently this tells you if there is fluid, i said about the popping and clicking and he said that the eustchian tube would probably getting back to normal after ear infections , and a heavy cold i did mention about my jaw problem but he didnt seem convinced that it was TMJ.
other sufferers r your symptoms clogged feeling in ear pain in around the skull area above the ear, and symptoms as though your head is swimming in fluid sometimes my nostril and ear r blocked is this a symptom of tmj as my husband says if ent told you your ear is fine. But its not

 
Old 05-31-2005, 01:58 AM   #12
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LVMYDASH hi there, i posted a question last week and after reading you post wondered if i may have the same problem as your daughter? i have started to feel like my jaw joint is actually in my ear sorta pressing against my ear drum could you ask her if this is the sorta thing she felt

thanks Miss L

 
Old 05-31-2005, 10:51 AM   #13
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Maughan,

Your problem could very well be something separate from TMJ. Have you looked into stapedial myoclonus or tensor tympani syndrome? What about superior semicicular canal dishonence syndrome? It sounds like you have more of an inner problem than a TMJ problem that is causing your symptoms. The popping and clicking may also be palatal eustachion tube or palatal myoclonus.

Although I believe TMJ can definitely play a part in ear disorders, the ear problems you experience may be separate.

If you want to know more, I can elaborate. It would help too if you expand on your symptoms; like what brings on the popping, clicking? Noise, random? Do you ever get vertigo?

Joe

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HELLO

I have been to ent second time only to be told that my ear has no fluid and its fine, i had the 2 different ear tests for hearing and pressure apparently this tells you if there is fluid, i said about the popping and clicking and he said that the eustchian tube would probably getting back to normal after ear infections , and a heavy cold i did mention about my jaw problem but he didnt seem convinced that it was TMJ.
other sufferers r your symptoms clogged feeling in ear pain in around the skull area above the ear, and symptoms as though your head is swimming in fluid sometimes my nostril and ear r blocked is this a symptom of tmj as my husband says if ent told you your ear is fine. But its not

 
Old 05-31-2005, 04:21 PM   #14
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Miss L,

I asked my daughter the question you asked me. She said that she mainly feels pressure in the ear, has popping sounds and itching. She continues to have ringing in the ears and some earaches. The splints that were put in the upper and lower mouth seem to be helping with her other symptoms, especially with the headaches. We are hoping the ear problems get better in time. TMD is such a complex medical problem and there are few answers when it comes to finding out exactly why the ears are involved and what can be done to help the symptoms involved.

 
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Maughan,

Your problem could very well be something separate from TMJ. Have you looked into stapedial myoclonus or tensor tympani syndrome? What about superior semicicular canal dishonence syndrome? It sounds like you have more of an inner problem than a TMJ problem that is causing your symptoms. The popping and clicking may also be palatal eustachion tube or palatal myoclonus.

Although I believe TMJ can definitely play a part in ear disorders, the ear problems you experience may be separate.

If you want to know more, I can elaborate. It would help too if you expand on your symptoms; like what brings on the popping, clicking? Noise, random? Do you ever get vertigo?



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hi Thanks for your message i have seen 2 different ent specialists both said that my ears were alright and explanation for the clicking was after an ear infection the the eustchian tube was returning back to normal and there was no fluid in ear, i did have a bad ear infection before all this started it took 3 different antibioctics to rid it,my gp said how many doctors do you want to see after being told your ear has no fluid, however i do have a problem with my right jaw it clicks so im going down another path to see tmj as it could be affecting my ear, have u ear or tmj and ear problems.

Joe

 
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