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Old 08-19-2006, 10:59 AM   #1
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Zig-Zag motion.

Is this TMJ? I never really noticed it until after my wisdom teeth extraction, but since my jaw kind of opens in a "zig-zag" motion. Like it goes side to side and then straightens. Only SOMETIMES I hear a popping noise, almost always a grating. I have a dental appointment in September...two, actually (One Orthodontist, other dentist) so I'll be able to get two opinions. Anyone else have this zig-zag like motion? Also, my ears hurt almost daily.

 
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Old 08-19-2006, 01:51 PM   #2
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Re: Zig-Zag motion.

I don't have the same symptoms as you, but it sounds like a tempomandibular joint issue. I've heard that wisdom tooth extraction can trigger TMJ issues.

I'd recommend locating a good TMJ specialist and getting an evaluation.

Also consider getting the paperback book on TMJ "Taking Control of TMJ". This is something to have around so that you can be taking care of yourself and your jaw joint. It's a very helpful book.

Take Care.

 
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Old 08-19-2006, 02:41 PM   #3
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Re: Zig-Zag motion.

Thank you for reply

 
Old 08-20-2006, 06:41 PM   #4
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Re: Zig-Zag motion.

I'm not sure I open in a zig-zag motion but I don't open the same way as I used to - like just up and down - I now have to pull my left lower side down a lot for the right side to open just a bit. I have been told this can come form misaligned tm joints with one side requiring more distance than the other - not sure how valid that is or if I even worded it the same it way it was presented to me. When I chew though I definitely feel like I am zig-zaging though, with with side going one way and the other side doing something else - but I don't know what and can't put it into words.

 
Old 08-21-2006, 12:02 PM   #5
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Re: Zig-Zag motion.

I zig and zag....but just 1 each. I have TMJ, but I noticed this after diagnosis, so I can't say if my jaw was always like that.

 
Old 08-22-2006, 08:44 AM   #6
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Re: Zig-Zag motion.

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Is this TMJ? I never really noticed it until after my wisdom teeth extraction, but since my jaw kind of opens in a "zig-zag" motion. Like it goes side to side and then straightens. Only SOMETIMES I hear a popping noise, almost always a grating. I have a dental appointment in September...two, actually (One Orthodontist, other dentist) so I'll be able to get two opinions. Anyone else have this zig-zag like motion? Also, my ears hurt almost daily.
Hello,
Does your joint go over a bone? And do you feel it going over?

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Old 08-22-2006, 06:36 PM   #7
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Re: Zig-Zag motion.

I do - on one side? What is that from? I have told the drs I have consulted with one side feels like 2 bones are crossing when I open but I know that does not make sense in terms of dental lingo.

 
Old 08-23-2006, 12:04 AM   #8
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Re: Zig-Zag motion.

Same here. It's on the left side.

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Old 08-23-2006, 12:05 AM   #9
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Re: Zig-Zag motion.

Same here. It's on the left side.

 
Old 08-23-2006, 08:05 PM   #10
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Re: Zig-Zag motion.

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Same here. It's on the left side.
Hello,
You have most likely lost "vertical dimension" on that side. I too had that after i lost a posterior tooth. It took a while for the muscles to pull my jaw up. But once it did, the joint on that side (left side of jaw) went over a bone when i open up completely. I can open up wide because my joint isn't sitting back on the fossa. It just lost some height (or vertical dimension). Hope this helps.

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Re: Zig-Zag motion.

Thank you, thank you, thank you. That is exactly what I told the drs it was. Why don't they think patients may be right - especially about their own mouths/bite?

 
Old 08-25-2006, 01:06 AM   #12
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Re: Zig-Zag motion.

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Thank you, thank you, thank you. That is exactly what I told the drs it was. Why don't they think patients may be right - especially about their own mouths/bite?
I thought about that too. It seems like i know more about this subject than my regular DDS. But how could that be? IT JUST CAN'T. Doctors spent years training and getting their diploma, and i think they read more than i have.

I finally found out that my muscles were able to adjust. I always knew that, but just didn't experience it first hand. Before that, i went to a dentist looking for a crown so i can add some height on my left side. Ask the doc if an onlay would also add height and he said yes. That was a lie. Why did he lie to me? I don't know. And i was tricked.

After i knew muscles were able to adjust, i went to another doc looking for a crown again. Told him that my left crown is not bulky enough and i need it bulkier so when the muscles finally adjusted, i can bite down simultaneously without my jaw being tilted but straight. This restoration can be easily accomplished with a full mouth occlusion which is how most doctors do it. But this doctor, only did a left side occlusion. Without getting in to the details, it will not give the correct height. But this doctor is very competent, so why didn't he do a full mouth occlusal restoration? His answer was "that's how we do it here." B*U*L*L.

Another story, NYU TMJ clinic. Very bad i have to say. Went in for a tmj examination. Students checked me out, and told the professor in charge that i wasn't contacting or very little on my left side. That's before the muscles pulled my jaw up completely. The prof in fact read Dr. Spahl's book but i was just reading it then. He recommended splint but i told him that with splint, i still can't bite or have enough support on my left side. The thing that struck me was that before i left, he told me NOT to get a crown on that side. He probably knew all i needed was a crown, but didn't want me to know.

So what's all this? Why the lies? I don't know. But to answer your question, it seems like the doctors don't really want us to get better. They want us to go from doctor to doctor to doctor as if there is an understanding between them concerning tmj patients. That's how i feel. Either that, or most doctors are IDOTS. But i doubt that.

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Re: Zig-Zag motion.

I have a off bite with my dentures. One side hits heavy and the other side doesn't hardly hit at all. Is that due to the muscles or the dentures are off. I hate to get a new denture and still have this problem.

Also isn't having too much verticle just as bad as not having enought?

I also wore a splint for 3 weeks and it just made it worst.

 
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I have a off bite with my dentures. One side hits heavy and the other side doesn't hardly hit at all. Is that due to the muscles or the dentures are off. I hate to get a new denture and still have this problem.

Also isn't having too much verticle just as bad as not having enought?

I also wore a splint for 3 weeks and it just made it worst.
If it's a bite problem then it's the dentures. Muscle problems arise because you have a bad bite. Not the other way around. That's way occlusion is very important. But a good occlusion should taken into account the position of the joints. Otherwise, it's still a bad occlusion.

I did not experience too much vertical dimension. But if your muscles are being stretched too far, i think you would have some problems. This is why most good doctors, and there are only a few out there, take tomograms to check where the joints are during splint therapy.

I don't know your treatment, but a person told me that she was 90% pain free immediately after putting on a repositioning splint. The headache that she had immediately went away. It makes sense because if your joint is hitting the back of the fossa, and you pull the jaw down and forward, you should experience immediate relieve if that's your problem.

So go take a tomogram to see where your joints are. The problem is, if you do take a tomogram, the doctor may not even tell you the truth.

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Re: Zig-Zag motion. - to GOOD THINGS

[QUOTE=GoodThings] The thing that struck me was that before i left, he told me NOT to get a crown on that side. He probably knew all i needed was a crown, but didn't want me to know.

This sort of struck a nerve with me - I cracked a tooth due to grinding. (atleast that is my theory) Inflammation was so intense, pain was horrible - I also had a lot of jaw pain on same side as tooth. Finally had a root canal, beautiful new gold crown - STILL have pain in crowned tooth AND jaw.

I am going from oral surgeon - who blames the tooth, back to Endo who says tooth is fine. Dentist says go to oral surgeon and if that does not work go to Endo - which I did and it did not help/

WEIRD thing is tooth and jaw are WORSE at night. I go to bed and sleep, wake up and feel better. As day progresses pain gets worse and at times is REALLY bad.

Medication wise I take Lexapro (can NOT attribute it to TMJ) and ambien. Have taken Klonopin, Relafen, Flexaril - was made an acrylic nightguard for top teeth - just began using it so far no relief.

>So what's all this? Why the lies? I don't know. But to answer your question, it seems like the doctors don't really want us to get better. They want us to go from doctor to doctor to doctor as if there is an understanding between them concerning tmj patients. That's how i feel.

I don't get it either - at this point I just think NO ONE knows what is causing my problem, oh I forgot - I had an MRI too of my jaw in March. AND I have had several doctors ALL tell me something different about the MRI!!!!!!!

They cant even agree on THAT! I FINALLY got my insurance to pay for the MRI - after months and months of fighting with them and my employer.

I am ready to see someone new. I see you (Good Things) went to NYU and did not think it was worth it. Have you seen anyone in the NY area that has helped you?

Thks

 
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