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Old 11-10-2008, 03:45 PM   #1
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Unhappy TMJ and Tinnitus =(

Hi,

I am 25 years old.

I have had a high pitched ringing sound in my left ear for 3 weeks now and a thumping/fluttering in my right ear for 4 months.

I visited the doctor regarding the high pitched ringing and was given sodium bicarbonate (5&#37 ear drops because I had excess wax in my ears and the doctor couldn't see my ear drums.

The ear wax has cleared up but the ringing is still there

I don't listen to loud music or go to nightclubs, bars and concerts.

I have read about Tinnitus and TMJ and Bruxism. I also notice I sometimes grind my teeth in my sleep but not with much pressure, only as much pressure as when one chews bread.

In July of this year, I had my bottom-right wisdom tooth removed and while the dental surgeon was removing it, the tooth cracked. He was using so much force to remove it that my jaw was really sore for about a week and I had to tell him to stop for a couple of seconds a few times while he was removing it so I could let my jaw rest.

My bottom-right wisdom tooth was removed but my left ear has tinnitus so could the fact that a wisdom tooth is missing be causing more pressure on the left side of the jaw causing the tinnitus?

Even now, the left side of the jaw makes more cracking sounds and the joint sounds rough compared to the right side.

Could this have caused the onset of TMJ and Tinnitus 2 months later?

The tinnitus seems to get louder if I yawn, swallow my saliva or clench my teeth. If I push my chin in, the ringing gets louder and if I apply pressure to my forehead the ringing gets less. Sometimes the ringing disappears altogether until I hear a sound like a fan or running tap water which it seems to react to. If I switch the fan or tap water off, the ringing dissipates.

Does this mean my tinnitus is TMJ related and I could possibly be cured of it?

The sound is driving me bat crazy

Thank you for your time.

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Old 11-10-2008, 09:22 PM   #2
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Re: TMJ and Tinnitus =(

"My bottom-right wisdom tooth was removed but my left ear has tinnitus so could the fact that a wisdom tooth is missing be causing more pressure on the left side of the jaw causing the tinnitus? "

This may indeed be the problem - especially if the wisdom tooth extracted was already erupted - and more so if the other wisdom teeth are still present and erupted as well. If the tooth was erupted or visible it may have been used as part of your bite - removing one tooth only can cause an imbalance.

However sometimes the pressure involved in removing the tooth, the extraction and trauma incurred can injure a joint and/or the surrounding tissue and although the injury may occur on one side - the affects of the injury may actually appear on the offsetting side as the jaw compensates for the injury - like when you sprain your ankle - you shift your weight and then the other leg starts to ache b/c you are not using both legs with equal force or weight or balance.

Probably a quick and rather easy way to see if this is related to the missing wisdom tooth is to try an OTC night guard - if it seems to help eliminate or ease the tinnitus then you may need to see a dentist for either a splint or custom made night guard- chances are once the imbalance is equalized wearing the splint or guard at night might be all that you need to keep it from returing.

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Old 11-10-2008, 09:47 PM   #3
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Re: TMJ and Tinnitus =(

Hi Thelma,

Thanks for the reply. The other wisdom teeth are fine, it was only the bottom-right one which was erupted and hence needed to be extracted.

I'm going to make another appointment with the doctor and mention TMJ disorder as a possible cause.

BTW, if it is due to TMJ and a nightguard or splint fixes the jaw imbalance, would that mean I would be required to wear such devices for the rest of my life or is it only temporary like wearing a brace?

 
Old 11-11-2008, 08:00 AM   #4
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Re: TMJ and Tinnitus =(

A splint or guard would have to be worn for life - some find just wearing it a few nights a week keeps their symptoms in check as well. If this is due to an imbalance due to the wisdom being pulled you may want to discuss with your dentist having the other wisdom teeth removed while they are not yet erupted (have surfaced or are visible) and possibly ortho/braces to ensure your back teeth are properly positioned. It could be the one wisdom tooth that did surface or erupt slightly pushed the adjacent teeth out of alignment a bit - however if this is the case they may shift back given some time and this may allow your symptoms to dissipate as well.

 
Old 11-11-2008, 03:08 PM   #5
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Re: TMJ and Tinnitus =(

My bad, I thought by "erupt" you meant the tooth was decayed. My remaining 3 wisdom teeth have fully erupted (grown out of the gum) and the wisdom tooth that was removed was because it was decayed beyond repair but that was also pretty much erupted.

Thanks.

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Old 11-11-2008, 09:02 PM   #6
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Re: TMJ and Tinnitus =(

Well then this would kind of make sense - suddenly now one side has a wisdom tooth missing so the wisdom tooth above or below it has nothing to rest on - it can create a strain on the jaw and /or muscles or an imbalance from side to side - it doesn't happen with everyone - some people have several missing teeth and never have any problems - so it may have something to do with your actual bite as well.

Not sure if this would help - but I have seen ads in magazines here regarding lipoflavinoid - some kind of dietary supplement that supposedly helps relieve tinnitus - I have never looked into it and do not know what its ingredients actually are - but thought I would mention it.

 
Old 11-15-2008, 12:55 PM   #7
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I have noticed that I can make the ringing disappear altogether for a few moments or make it less if I move my head all the way left or right.

I've read up on somatic tinnitus but I'm still not entirely sure whether my tinnitus is caused by the jaw, the neck or both?

Any ideas?

Thanks.

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Old 11-15-2008, 07:20 PM   #8
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Re: TMJ and Tinnitus =(

Mine seemd to clear up after seeing my 2nd chiro - he was a NUCCA or upper cervical chiro. I had the ear ringing, and a high pitch noise, sometimes a sound like a motor running or helicopter in the background and sometimes this sound like waves crashing or a "roaring" like being under a water falls and sometimes just plain old static like a radio dial not being tuned properly. It kept changing form day to day. His adjustments were actually to the jaw just below my ear - so I guess it still doesn't answer the question as to whether it was due to the jaw or the neck or both - my guess would be both since they share the same muscles and rely on each other to work properly.

 
Old 11-15-2008, 09:29 PM   #9
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Re: TMJ and Tinnitus =(

What did the NUCCA practitioner do to the jaw and how long was it for? Also, how long did you have your tinnitus for?

Was the onset of your somatic tinnitus due to stress or due to a removal of a tooth or something and could you manipulate the sound of your tinnitus with your neck and jaw?

I want to be armed with as much knowledge as possible before going to see the doctor again. They usually tell you to live with stuff like this but I ain't taking no for an answer.

This article was also very helpful:

[url]http://research.meei.harvard.edu/EPL/RAL_website/LevineFremantle.pdf[/url]

Thanks.

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Old 11-16-2008, 09:37 AM   #10
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I have tmj. I've worn a splint since June 08 but it has become much worse since September. Has anyone any advice. I am a teacher and my work is suffering, I'm impatient and ratty with the children. I really need help. Thank you

 
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Re: TMJ and Tinnitus =(

I don't know what NUCCA is. Could you please clarify. Thank you.

 
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Re: TMJ and Tinnitus =(

It stands for National Upper Cervical Chiropractors Association. They primarily adjust the upper cervical spine (aka c-spine) which is basically the first 2 vertebrae at the top of the spine beneath the base of the head called the atlas (C1) and axis (C2). These 2 vertebrae help hold the head up in a centered and balanced position and have a lot of influence on the jaw and many of the nerves that run through the face and head also merge here. If the jaw becomes displaced chances are these 2 vertebrae have been impacted in some way - either rotating one way or the other or shifting/tilting. They also influence equilibrium and the inner ear. The adjustments can be done manually to the lower jaw just beneath the ear or done through the ear with a special machine. The dr I went to only did manual adjustments and basically he had me lay down on my side on a table that was about a foot off the floor and he basically bent down and took the side of his hand and just gently pushed along my lower jaw and turned it as he came across up in front of my ear. As simple and as silly as it may sound - I really didn't think it would have any impact whatsoever - within a few visits I noticed I wasn't as dizzy or as nauseous as I had been and eventually after 6 months all the ear ringing stopped as did the dizziness, bouts of vertigo and the chronic nausea. Unfortunately I didn't see much improvement with other symptoms I had and then the next tmj dentist I went to wanted me to see a different chiro that specialized in cranial problems so I stopped going to the NUCCA chiro.

 
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Re: TMJ and Tinnitus =(

Hi, have you heard of Dr.Jolley in Little Rock? He specialises in TMJ disorders

 
Old 11-23-2008, 05:28 AM   #14
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Re: TMJ and Tinnitus =(

Thelma-Louise, I really appreciate all the help you have given me so far

Did you have tinnitus in one ear or both?

I only had it in my left ear but since Thursday I now have it in both ears

I've noticed it switches to the right ear and stops in the left and then stops in the right and goes to the left but I still get most of the ringing in my left ear.

The sounds you described relating to your tinnitus are exactly what I hear, high pitched ringing, sometimes a sound like a helicopter and radio static. Sometimes the sound disappears from both ears and is inside my head like in the center.

I can only detect the sound in the center of my head if I use ear plugs. Sometimes the sound disappears completely and comes back if I use my PC and hear the fans or hear tap water. Its like its reacting with other sounds.

A slept over at a friends house the other day on the sofa and when I woke up my neck was sore and the ringing was quite loud.

The thing that scares me the most is that the tinnitus may become permanent. I don't let it stress me out but the thought of it becoming permanent is at the back of my mind

I am due to see the doctor soon and hope something becomes of my visit.

BTW, can any registered chiropractor help out with tinnitus thats related to the neck and jaw or do they have to be NUCCA chiropractors?

Thanks!

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Old 11-23-2008, 08:54 AM   #15
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Re: TMJ and Tinnitus =(

I had it in both ears but more prominently in my right ear. I too at times felt it was more in the center of my head than in the ears themselves - I referred to it as brain noise and it added to the brain fog or confusion I often felt. It was like having a mini radio in my head that wasn't quite tuned in to any particular station.

I too notice that certain sounds will trigger a recurrence - although my tinnitus has mostly cleared up at this point, the last few weeks I have had recurrences triggered by the sound of leaf blowers in my neighborhood and I still cannot tolerate loud sound in any way - like loud music, TV commercials, or overhead speakers in stores, etc. I worried too that it would be permanent - but then I started getting intermittent breaks - I literally cried the first time I had one - and then they turned into 1 day and eventually 2-3 days and finally it just stopped - but like I said it occasionally returns.

It is definitely is related to the neck - as you noticed yourself - so buy a cervical pillow if you are not using one yet - they can help keep the pressure off the c-spine while laying down.

My first chiro tried to correct it - he was I guess what is called a regular chiro - he used an activator - but although he was able to help with ear pressure I really didn't see much change with the tinnitus with him - the NUCCA chiro did a lot and so did the cranial chiro I now see.

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