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Old 06-03-2009, 04:21 AM   #1
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Braces and TMJ

Hi all,

new here. 9yrs ago i wore braces and a couple of months before removing them I started getting right shoulder pains. I never related the two together. a year later I started getting right side neck pains. Still didn't relate it to my braces. Now 9yrs later i am in chronic pain on both sides of my neck, shoulders and upper back. I went to see a dentist and he pressed on my tmj and mandible and the pain was excruciating. i had tears coming out of my eyes. he said my neck and shoulder pains come from this. My jaws were never properly aligned during my braces period and thru time they found means to function and the price is neck and shoulder pains. I am wearing a nite splint. Do these actually work? And I had occlusion readjustment. Im waiting to see of improvements. Its been 3wks. Ive been in pain for 6yrs.

Any stories similar to this? What did u do to fix the problem? Can it really be fixed?

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Old 06-03-2009, 09:53 AM   #2
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Re: Braces and TMJ

Most literature on tmj list dental work, braces and trauma/injury as the main causes of tmj. I even suggested to my dentist once that maybe tmj was a "class" problem - IMO it seems if one has more disposable income they were more likely to afford more dental work - other than cleanings and fillings - making them more susceptible to "dentally induced" tmj - but that is just my theory. Sometimes I wonder if tmj is not on the rise b/c of the lack of well-trained dentists or maybe the standards of dental schools and universities (give them a diploma as long as they pay their tuition) or the lack of legal and health care accountability medical drs are held to.

The splint may help once the dr establishes the right vertical height and bite necessary to equalize the temporal planes and correctly align your jaws to provide the optimum jaw path for you - this should relieve the neck and shoulder pain as right now they are being over worked and burdened by the misalignment. For some it stops here - with one simply wearing the night guard or customized splint but for many, some changes are needed to the teeth and bite to keep the jaws aligned - such as braces (again) or dental reconstruction to build certain teeth up.

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Old 06-05-2009, 03:55 AM   #3
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Re: Braces and TMJ

hi thanks for the feedback. I know for sure that all my neck and shoulder problems are due to my braces. I personally had a lack of space between my teeth. My dentist said its due to my wisdom teeth impacting my molars. There was one that was completely crooked. He suggested I see an orthodontist. I did but the orthodontist decided to remove my biscuspids instead. 4 were taken off. Since then I have the tmj problem and a major case of gum reduction on my molars and premolars. I am paying a heavy price for having worn braces.

Questions: do you also have gum reduction? due to this gum reduction my left sided teeth where the reduction is, are very sensitive so i chew on my right side where 80% of the tmj pain is. I'm a bit lost and desperate right now. Are you better now? Can a splint really re-aline your jaws? How does it work and how long in average. I also have a head foward leading posture due to over worked neck.

 
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Re: Braces and TMJ

The gum reduction and tooth sensitivity is often a sign of a poor bite and jaw alignment and if you do an Advanced Search on this forum you will find many discussions regarding a study done that suggested the removal of pre-molars or bicuspids followed by braces can cause tmj problem later in life - sadly that is how ortho for cosmetic reasons is often accomplished. Not all orthos are fully trained in the orthopedics of the jaw and the affects of their treatment on the underlying skeletal structure of the patient.

I had braces and bicuspid removal done as well and although I am sure it contributed to my tmj problem now so did a host of other dental work I had done years later and my problem has progressed beyond that at this point so our individual cases are too diff to compare.

With the right dr and the right splint - yes a splint can make a big difference - it can realign your jaws to provide for the proper and optimal position and vertical dimension needed to allow your joints the space they need and bring your lower jaw forward so its not pushing against your c-spine (this causes the forward head posture). Results vary of course but this can take several months to a year or more and you will likely need add'l treatment with a upper cervical chiro or other atlernative treatments or therapies to help things along. That part of treatment is often referred to as Phase I of tmj treatment. Once a patient is symptom free, Phase II should be considered to make the changes the splint accomplished more permanent such as braces or reconstructive dental work.

 
Old 06-08-2009, 09:34 AM   #5
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Re: Braces and TMJ

Thanks for the response. this is my second TMJ dentist and unfortunately, my first one worked on my teeth as in adjusting my occlusion by shaving bits of for a proper bite. Problem with this is now that i am seeing another dentist and using a new spling, my jaw is moving again. hence occlusion is shifting again. So far Im ok even picked up my favourite pass time, swimming, which i quit for ages due to the pains.

Does anyone have a problem working on a laptop but not on a desktop. I do, its amazing, the reduced 1 - 2cm screen height makes an incrdeible difference. Does anyone have an explanation to this?

BTW Thelma, are u still suffering from TMJ? U getting better?

 
Old 06-08-2009, 07:26 PM   #6
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Re: Braces and TMJ

My son had braces when he was 13 years old. His symptoms followed shortly thereafter. It was a nightmare as the pain made him become suicidal. The braces had collapsed his upper palate as well as dislocating his discs....with pain radiating into his neck, shoulders and eventually consuming his entire muscular system. He was eventually diagnosed with MPD, resulting from the stress put on the muscles from the braces.

My advice to you is to find a decent specialist who knows what he's doing, first and foremost.

Next, seek help from a qualified Massotherapist, Physcial Therapist and Chiropractor weekly.

My son is nearly well now, (and 20 years old) but still continues treatment to avoid a reoccurance of this monster that once consumed him.

Take Care~
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Re: Braces and TMJ

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Originally Posted by goonawin View Post
Thanks for the response. this is my second TMJ dentist and unfortunately, my first one worked on my teeth as in adjusting my occlusion by shaving bits of for a proper bite. Problem with this is now that i am seeing another dentist and using a new spling, my jaw is moving again. hence occlusion is shifting again. So far Im ok even picked up my favourite pass time, swimming, which i quit for ages due to the pains.

Does anyone have a problem working on a laptop but not on a desktop. I do, its amazing, the reduced 1 - 2cm screen height makes an incrdeible difference. Does anyone have an explanation to this?

BTW Thelma, are u still suffering from TMJ? U getting better?
I am slowly making progress but mainly with the help of a cranial chiro - my teeth were also messed up by previous tmj dentists and getting them and my bite restored has been quite an ordeal to say the least. The fact that you are now functioning more and doing normal activities (and wanting to do them) is a good sign indeed. Thanks for asking btw.

With regards to your laptop - try putting a thick book under it and raising the viewing level to eye level - your c-spine may still be compromised so the head down position - especially if your lower jaw is not where it should be yet - can be problematic.

 
Old 09-07-2010, 10:49 AM   #8
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Re: Braces and TMJ

[QUOTE=Thelma-Louise;4004430]The gum reduction and tooth sensitivity is often a sign of a poor bite and jaw alignment and if you do an Advanced Search on this forum you will find many discussions regarding a study done that suggested the removal of pre-molars or bicuspids followed by braces can cause tmj problem later in life - sadly that is how ortho for cosmetic reasons is often accomplished. Not all orthos are fully trained in the orthopedics of the jaw and the affects of their treatment on the underlying skeletal structure of the patient.
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Hi, I also had my bicuspids removed prior to braces (age 12). I am now suffering with TMJ as well. I wanted to know where I can find the study you mentioned?

Thanks.

 
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