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Old 08-07-2009, 06:50 AM   #1
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How long does TMJ last? I was biting my nails and stopped and I'm trying not to talk as much. My right ear is ringing and it hurts if I open my jaw wide, it's almost like my estuation tube is swollen? Last but not least I'm in a daze/dizzy during the day. This starts about 1-2 hours after I wake (when I wake I feel normal!!!) and will last through the day and night. The strangest thing when I pop my ears (hold nose). When I do I get a bad dizzy spell when the pressure in my ear changes and will subside. My neck hurts and molars/jaw just started hurting. I don't grind my teeth in my sleep that I know of. Does this ring a bell for anyone!? I'm going crazy over here. I’ve been to the ENT 3 times now, nothing. This has been off and on since March 2009! Thanks in advance.

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I posed earlier and got '0' replies so I'll try again.

How long does TMJ last? I was biting my nails and stopped and I'm trying not to talk as much. My right ear is ringing and it hurts if I open my jaw wide, it's almost like my estuation tube is swollen? Last but not least I'm in a daze/dizzy during the day. This starts about 1-2 hours after I wake (when I wake I feel normal!!!) and will last through the day and night. The strangest thing when I pop my ears (hold nose). When I do I get a bad dizzy spell when the pressure in my ear changes and will subside. My neck hurts and molars/jaw just started hurting. I don't grind my teeth in my sleep that I know of. Does this ring a bell for anyone!? I'm going crazy over here. Iíve been to the ENT 3 times now, nothing. This has been off and on since March 2009! Thanks in advance.

Hi Brian,

Firstly to answer your question "How long does TMJ last?" the best answer I can give is, you're guess is as good as mine! Sorry that's not probably what you want to hear, but I'm afraid that's the way it is with TMJD. I'm not medically qualified so please don't take what I say as gospel! but from what I've read, TMJD can be degenarative so the sooner you know for sure that's what your condition is then the better in trying to prevent it from getting any worse.

Secondly regarding your symptoms that you describe, your ear ringing could be tinnitus, I have this from time to time and it also causes me to feel dizzy, it doesn't do much good for our balance either!. I'm not sure about the feeling of being in a daze during the day though, I do understand that feeling however but I have always blamed my under active thyroid on it, but I suppose it wouldn't help to not rule out it being possibly caused by my TMJD.

Probably a silly question but have you seen a TMJD specialist dentist?

 
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Old 08-07-2009, 08:35 AM   #3
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Hi Brian,

Firstly to answer your question "How long does TMJ last?" the best answer I can give is, you're guess is as good as mine! Sorry that's not probably what you want to hear, but I'm afraid that's the way it is with TMJD. I'm not medically qualified so please don't take what I say as gospel! but from what I've read, TMJD can be degenarative so the sooner you know for sure that's what your condition is then the better in trying to prevent it from getting any worse.

Secondly regarding your symptoms that you describe, your ear ringing could be tinnitus, I have this from time to time and it also causes me to feel dizzy, it doesn't do much good for our balance either!. I'm not sure about the feeling of being in a daze during the day though, I do understand that feeling however but I have always blamed my under active thyroid on it, but I suppose it wouldn't help to not rule out it being possibly caused by my TMJD.

Probably a silly question but have you seen a TMJD specialist dentist?

2 years ago my dentist said I had enamel worn off my right molars and he sighted TMJD as a possible cause, this was well before any of the other symptoms started. Are you telling me TMJD may never get better? I'm sure I brought this on myself by chewing my finger nails with the right side of my jaw for my entire life. It would make sense at least.

 
Old 08-07-2009, 09:04 AM   #4
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I'm not medically qualified to say if your TMJD will get better or worse, but from what i have read and from my personal experience, it does tend to get worse instead of better if not treated. Finding the right treatment is difficult enough though, it's hard to find an understanding dentist of this disorder who knows how best to treat it.

All you can do is press on with finding a good dentist who does understand the TMJ and has years of experience on his side with dealing with TMJD patients. If you're here in the UK, they are hard to come by! If you're in America I think you'll have a better chance of finding a good dentist (but again don't quote me on this!)

I would start off by finding a TMJD specialist dentist to have TMJD confirmed.

All the best!

 
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2 years ago my dentist said I had enamel worn off my right molars and he sighted TMJD as a possible cause, this was well before any of the other symptoms started. Are you telling me TMJD may never get better? I'm sure I brought this on myself by chewing my finger nails with the right side of my jaw for my entire life. It would make sense at least.
HI Brian--Whatever you do, stop chewing your nails, and don't chew gum, etc. as well. If you have worn enamel that's a sign of grinding, and you might have a tooth gearing problem...your teeth are trying to find a perfect bite at night, or during the day if you clench while at work, etc. Please find a good tmj specialist to determine if you have tmjd. Do you have clicking or grating noises? muscular or swallowing problems? Tmj can be cured, but you need to find the right person to treat it. I think you've done this before, but post where you live, and maybe someone can refer you.. Take care...J.

 
Old 08-15-2009, 10:44 AM   #6
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You definitely need to seek treatment from a specialist or you will never get better.
If you are grinding your teeth you are knocking your bite off and need a guard for that. I wear one at night that prevents my back teeth from touching and I wake up with way fewer headaches. So, go see a doctor! Preferably a certified TMJ specialist and not an orthodontist or reg. dentist. That's the only way you will get better.

 
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Brian,
I agree with my fellow TMJers that you need to get to a TMJ specialist and start treatment. I can tell you it's not one of those things that will get better in time if you just ignore it. There are a whole array of treatments out there, with splints being involved in many cases. I saw that someone asked where you live, I agree that knowing where you live will be helpful. Hopefully someone on the board will know a specialist in your area. If not we'll guide you towards finding a specialist.
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Old 08-15-2009, 10:27 PM   #8
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Brian, if you had a real drive to bite your nails just watch whether it helps for your tmj if you hold smth btw your teeth. Now I think that such habits can actually be the body's way to compensate for the open bite. It could have been my case. I always liked to bite on smth on the front teeth and as I suspect now I could have had an open bite even much earlier than I was said to have it.
The ear pain is often a sign of the jaw going out too forward which an open bite will cause as well.
Yes, look for a good TMJ specialist and/or a dentist who understands well about the bite. Grinding the molars is quite a significant change for a bite which can easily cause your TMJ symptoms. If this is the case once the bite will be corrected the tmj symptoms might disappear the same day.

Be very careful before making any new changes to your bite. The dentist must really know what he is doing and why and preferably you should get to try it on smth reversible first.
Hope that helps.

 
Old 08-16-2009, 08:39 PM   #9
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I posed earlier and got '0' replies so I'll try again.

How long does TMJ last? I was biting my nails and stopped and I'm trying not to talk as much. My right ear is ringing and it hurts if I open my jaw wide, it's almost like my estuation tube is swollen? Last but not least I'm in a daze/dizzy during the day. This starts about 1-2 hours after I wake (when I wake I feel normal!!!) and will last through the day and night. The strangest thing when I pop my ears (hold nose). When I do I get a bad dizzy spell when the pressure in my ear changes and will subside. My neck hurts and molars/jaw just started hurting. I don't grind my teeth in my sleep that I know of. Does this ring a bell for anyone!? I'm going crazy over here. Iíve been to the ENT 3 times now, nothing. This has been off and on since March 2009! Thanks in advance.
The ENT will not help you but it seems like that's the place to go for vertigo right? In this case, it does not work.

The reason you are having issues with the E. Tube is because there are 2 muscles that aid in swallowing: the pterygoid medialus and the tensor veli palatini. When these muscles are in spasm they will close off the E. Tube making it impossible for air to flow correctly in and out of the head which will, in turn, give you vertigo. This was my first symptom of my illness and continues to be my most burdensome. Most doctors don't understand that the teeth are even connected to the ears (I actually had one say that to me).

You need to see a TMJ specialist and have them do an X-Ray of your head. There they can see any obstructions between your teeth and ears. Continuing to see ENTs will cost you money and frustrate them.

I still suffer from dizziness and ear fullness to this day, That will probably be my last symptom to go but I've noticed a lot of improvement. It will seriously feel like you got your brain back,

 
Old 08-18-2009, 01:03 PM   #10
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Thank you so much for all the replies! I am starting to feel better. I have a lot of stress with work right now and my wife and I are trying to sell our home, go figure! I have changed my attitude to (it is what it is) to relive stress. My wife caught me grinding my teeth this past weekend and I went to CVS and bought the mouth guard you see on TV, believe it or not it really seems to be helping thus far. I think I may have a mild case of TMJ and the stress made it much worse. I'm in the Triad NC Region outside Greensboro BTW. Thanks again everyone!

 
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Thank you so much for all the replies! I am starting to feel better. I have a lot of stress with work right now and my wife and I are trying to sell our home, go figure! I have changed my attitude to (it is what it is) to relive stress. My wife caught me grinding my teeth this past weekend and I went to CVS and bought the mouth guard you see on TV, believe it or not it really seems to be helping thus far. I think I may have a mild case of TMJ and the stress made it much worse. I'm in the Triad NC Region outside Greensboro BTW. Thanks again everyone!
I tried writing you a very informative response, but alas, you do not accept private messages, so, ARG.

There's a doctor in your area that uses muscle relaxers and treats other things too, I didn't get a good feeling about him. There is one I did but I couldn't send you the info. Either way just type in where you live and "TMJ Specialist" and you should find something. You can try other phrases. That or you can call dentists and ask if they know of someone the internet does not.

I don't know how far the drive is but the guy I see in Atlanta you only really need to see every few weeks. Your problem sounds about 1/3 of mine and you may just get a night appliance. Either way, if you don't mind a drive every few weeks, its totally worth it.

 
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I would like to re-visit my old post here. I finally broke down and went to a TMJ dentist and they made an acrylic night guard that fits the top of my teeth and keeps my bite open and pushes my jaw forward. The dentist took and entire panoramic x-ray of my jaw while I was there also. I can say the worst of the worst days are behind me. At one point I was so fatigued I almost fell asleep at work. The slight dizzy, fog and head pressure still haunts my life.

Does anyone notice there dizzy gets worse if they open wide? Secondly, If I massage (circles) in front of the ear near my temple it cracks and pops the ear tube very badly (not my jaw). If I do this on the unaffected side it does not do this. I know this sounds weird but there is a major difference between the two sides.

Last but not least and most important. I have warn the night cards for almost a month and notice my bite is a bit off. Generally speaking how long does splint therapy last. I don't mind waring the guard but I'm wondering when I can expect my muscles to stop the spasm and go back to normal already! Thanks for any advice/help in advance.

 
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Brian,,If your bite feels "off" it may be that the teeth have truly shifted, or it may be from the spasms in your jaw/face. Please be careful of upper splints. I don't know anyone who's really been totally helped by those. Many specialist's steer clear from using those. If I were you, I'd get a second opinion from someone off the ICCMO website. Make sure that they practice Functional Jaw Orthodontics, and also practice neuromuscular dentistry for tmj. They need to have practiced tmjd treatment for at least 10 yrs. as well. If the splint has truly changed your bite, you need to be careful. That alone can cause more spasms, because your body will try to adapt to the new bite, and may cause more clenching and pain in the long run. There is no set time in which a person will get over tmj, or that you can even pinpoint as to how long you are supposed to wear a splint. Everyone's case is different.

 
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Brian,
What do you mean by the bite being "off"?
How does your face look? Can both sides of the jaw hang down in a relaxed way?
From my experience and from what I read and know due to my long tmj journey, if a splint or a bite does not feel right very quickly (I'd say no more than few days) then there is no point in trying to get used to this.

Many years ago I had "no choice and had to get used to the 'correct bite'" - this is what the dentist told me. Well, I "did" to the sacrifice of my tmj disk which got severely damaged. On top of this I started having constant muscle and joint problems which I had no idea then that they were related to that "correct" but uncomfortable bite.

When I had a good "flat" splint which allowed my jaw to move easily from what I showed to a dentist as my comfy position, the splint made my jaw relax in a few minutes while I was starting the car.

So, I'd suggest using your common sense and intuition.

 
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Brian, if you had a real drive to bite your nails just watch whether it helps for your tmj if you hold smth btw your teeth. Now I think that such habits can actually be the body's way to compensate for the open bite. It could have been my case. I always liked to bite on smth on the front teeth and as I suspect now I could have had an open bite even much earlier than I was said to have it.
The ear pain is often a sign of the jaw going out too forward which an open bite will cause as well.
Yes, look for a good TMJ specialist and/or a dentist who understands well about the bite. Grinding the molars is quite a significant change for a bite which can easily cause your TMJ symptoms. If this is the case once the bite will be corrected the tmj symptoms might disappear the same day.

Be very careful before making any new changes to your bite. The dentist must really know what he is doing and why and preferably you should get to try it on smth reversible first.
Hope that helps.
I think your on to something about the open bite. By nature I will keep my mouth open and forward when I'm not talking like Bill Clinton. I think this is making things worse. I have been trying to keep my teeth together but not clench. I have stopped using the splint because when I take it off my back right molar touches first when I close my mouth! It was changing my bite in a bad way. I will concentrate on keeping my mouth closed and hopefully my ear pain and dizzy spells will subside.

 
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