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Old 08-15-2009, 07:24 AM   #1
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Hi all--had my first cranial sacral treatment in over 10 yrs. yesterday, and it was interesting to say the least. This particular practitioner using more pressure than the first guy I used to see way back when. She also does a treatment called "NIS" . (The Neurological Integration System) treament. Has anyone had this done before? It was developed by a D.O. named Dr. Allan Phillips, DO. in New Zealand. He practices at the Neurolink centre in Auckland, New Zealand. She actually didn't start doing NIS on the first visit, she just did an exam and some balancing of my structural problems in my spine, hips, etc, and my cranium. With my muscles so tender and in spasm all the time, it was a little uncomfortable at times when she was working with my skull, but nothing I couldn't handle at all. She also does work with energy balancing and chakras as well. I am a 2nd yr. Reiki student, so I understood the premise of what she was doing. Anyways, I asked her specifically about my face and the bones in my skull that I feel are totally out of whack and "stuck" if you will, and she said my sutures felt very pliable, not "stuck" as I put it, and it was nothing that she couldn't correct at all. She was very confident in that. She also does a ton of cranial work on clients inside the mouth, especially if you are going through ortho work and expanders, but I didn't have anything done like that yesterday.. Just wanted to let you know about the appt. Take care all !!

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Old 08-15-2009, 08:09 AM   #2
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Re: Had my first Cranio Visit..update.

JMitchell,
I'm glad to hear that you've found a therapy that seems to be working for you. I go into every therapy, procedure, med, etc... with a positive attitude, convinced that this is going to work for me and that I'll be out of pain. Sometimes I get some relief, but more than the symptoms continue or get worse. I've had a little bit of cranio-sacral work done and it helped just a bit. I'll see what happens after my surgery, and if needed I'll go back to the therapist.
What is Rikki? It's probably something I should know, sorry for my ignorance.
Again, Way to Go! I'll keep praying and rooting for you.
Keep us posted.
Oh! You had a question about a particular treatment, but I've never heard of it. I just wanted to give you a pat on the back.
Have a great weekend.
Peggy

 
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JMitchell,
I'm glad to hear that you've found a therapy that seems to be working for you. I go into every therapy, procedure, med, etc... with a positive attitude, convinced that this is going to work for me and that I'll be out of pain. Sometimes I get some relief, but more than the symptoms continue or get worse. I've had a little bit of cranio-sacral work done and it helped just a bit. I'll see what happens after my surgery, and if needed I'll go back to the therapist.
What is Rikki? It's probably something I should know, sorry for my ignorance.
Again, Way to Go! I'll keep praying and rooting for you.
Keep us posted.
Oh! You had a question about a particular treatment, but I've never heard of it. I just wanted to give you a pat on the back.
Have a great weekend.
Peggy
Thanks Peggy, right back at ya! To answer your question, Reiki is the hands on healing treatments practitioners do that also involves chakra cleansing and energy balancing...You can look it up and get a better explanation. I wanted to ask you if you have gotten several opinions on your upcoming surgery, I'm worried about you having that done. Have you tried splint therapy before or are your joints too far gone? What is your diagnosis from the surgeon that warrants you having this done? Sorry to sound like a nagging grama, but I'm a mother of 2 little ones. , it's in my nature. LOL..

 
Old 08-16-2009, 02:29 PM   #4
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I'm happy for you that you've found someone who will be able to help you, keep thinking positive. I know with the Osteo treatment I've been having, I have some treatments where I feel a big difference and others with very little but I feel it's worth continuing with. Glad to read that your first appointment was a good one, here's hoping the next will be just as good and better!

 
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Hi J! Do you feel any better from last week? I sure hope so!! My CST is trained in the NIS, but I don't know much about it. I don't believe she uses it as an actual stand-alone treatment, but rather part of the overall treatment that she does, depending on the need of the client at the time. My CST has training in several different "theories" (can't think of a better term), and I think that it makes her practice more rounded.

Did that make any sense at all? It's way too early to think clearly!

 
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Hi J! Do you feel any better from last week? I sure hope so!! My CST is trained in the NIS, but I don't know much about it. I don't believe she uses it as an actual stand-alone treatment, but rather part of the overall treatment that she does, depending on the need of the client at the time. My CST has training in several different "theories" (can't think of a better term), and I think that it makes her practice more rounded.

Did that make any sense at all? It's way too early to think clearly!
Hi C.--My cranial lady hasn't used the NIS treatment yet. I've only had 1 visit, and that was an hour and a half long exam if you will, studying my stance, spine, hips, and cranial bones and seeing what was "off" or unbalanced in my body. It was very interesting. As far as my tmj symptoms, unfortunately I haven't had any relief yet. I'm getting a little nervous to say the least. It's been 2 weeks since the last adjustment that sent me into total spasms..I'm thinking I'm going to call very soon and let them know again that I'm still so bad. I've already called twice since the adjustment, so they knew early on how bad it had gotten. I'll keep you posted. How are you feeling?? --J.

 
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Hi J! Same old, same old. Balance was off some today, I noticed I was walking crooked. Maybe I was just tired from the weekend, but then again that is a something that comes on from time to time. I have a cranio appt tomorrow, so will mention the massage appt and the balance issue.

Frustrating because the massage therapist said that she had not noticed any difference in how tight the muscles in my back/shoulders/neck were (yet her treatment caused me 4 days worth of added pain and spasms). The last time I saw her was a week or so before I got my splints. I was really hoping she would say "Oh yes, everything is so much better". Grrrr, makes me mad!!

Andrea: It is really great that someone reminds us to try and think positive. I get so frustrated because nothing seems to change. And I want to get better so bad! My whole goal was to not to have to go to a different specialist appt in September, but here I am 2 weeks before the appt and I haven't noticed any change, so I guess I have to go. Maybe he will find something out that will make this whole process just click. Or maybe he won't find anything and will say I am on the right track to healing. The positive side is...I still am able to cope with work and kids, and can still stay awake until after 8:30! And I have a cranio appt tomorrow morning to look forward to!!

 
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[QUOTE=bassclari;4060029]Hi J!

Frustrating because the massage therapist said that she had not noticed any difference in how tight the muscles in my back/shoulders/neck were (yet her treatment caused me 4 days worth of added pain and spasms). The last time I saw her was a week or so before I got my splints. I was really hoping she would say "Oh yes, everything is so much better". Grrrr, makes me mad!!

Hi, I believe that if your muscle spasms will diminish and the muscles relax you'd feel it yourself. If that massage therapist cannot improve your muscle state even temporarily and makes it worse look for another one. In my experience this is very individual what kind of massage works. I had things go worse from a massage. Usually tho it is the only thing which really helps me to relax the muscles all over the body and stop the jaw pains and see where my bite really wants to be. But surely w/o the teeth made for that bite this state does not state long, more like 1-2 days. Still it's a relief.

What is NIS?

 
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Hi J!

Frustrating because the massage therapist said that she had not noticed any difference in how tight the muscles in my back/shoulders/neck were (yet her treatment caused me 4 days worth of added pain and spasms). The last time I saw her was a week or so before I got my splints. I was really hoping she would say "Oh yes, everything is so much better". Grrrr, makes me mad!!

Hi, I believe that if your muscle spasms will diminish and the muscles relax you'd feel it yourself. If that massage therapist cannot improve your muscle state even temporarily and makes it worse look for another one. In my experience this is very individual what kind of massage works. I had things go worse from a massage. Usually tho it is the only thing which really helps me to relax the muscles all over the body and stop the jaw pains and see where my bite really wants to be. But surely w/o the teeth made for that bite this state does not state long, more like 1-2 days. Still it's a relief.

What is NIS?
HI Stillhope--NIS is basically a sort of muscle testing if I wanted to totally simplify the definition. It is called Neurological Integration system. NIS bases its treatment methods on the neurophysiology principle that the brain governs optimum function of all body's systems through its neurological circuitry. It's supposed to be a very accurate way of diagnosing problems , whether they are physical, pathogical, neuro., or emotional. It addresses the issues of disease and problems within the body, NOT the symtoms only. Neurolink has a website, but I don't think I can post that. Let me know if you want it. take care----J.

 
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Thank you! I checked some sites. Sounds interesting tho it does not say how this is done. Not invasive, no machines. Do they test the muscles using some kind of electrodes like in TENSing??

So you had it done, right? Was it helpful? For diagnostic or to help you as well.

 
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Ive done Cranial sacral therapy for a while now, it helps alot. Hopefully it will move my joints back into place..it doesnt hurt until he does the massage on my head and feels like hes pulling my hair out. OUCH.

 
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Hi everybody--Just wanted to post on my recent cranial visit today. Today was the first time she actually went in my mouth and did triggerpoint pressure, I guess you could say, and light manipulations of the cranial bones from inside my mouth to release pressure and spasms, and I really felt like it helped a lot. She says that my whole facial structure has been totally thrown off by my poor orthodontic treatment I had 19yrs. ago, and I need a lot of work done from inside the mouth. When I went in I was in complete spasm around my tmj joints and mandible, cheek area, etc,. and when she was done I definitely felt a difference. I don't want to lie though, it hurt like you know what..
I was glad I had a good outcome, every little bit of hope is great right about now for me..
Take care all---J.
ps..she uses all the wholistic oils such as peppermint, valerian root oils, etc. --not in the mouth, but when massaging your neck, shoulders, ...the only bad thing is the valerian root oil smells like 10yr. old stinky sneakers..lol...I needed to come home and wash afterwards.

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My cranial osteo's never went in my mouth, and they probably should of.
I am going for another NCR in a couple weeks, where they put the balloons up the nose
to torque the sphenoid. My first treatment helped more than my two years of osteo's did, but it sounds like you have a good osteo. Glad it helped you.

 
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I had the cranio sacral work done in my mouth few times too. Yes, it DOES hurt!
But a lot of tmj muscles can't be reached from outside. And when they are in spasms they misalign the jaw, face, etc.
You can do this massage on your own too. I have a book on Trigger Points and they describe it there. Basically you just touch and slightly (or not slightly, if you can tolerate) rub everything you can around your teeth or btwn the jaws. Breathe and try to let it go.

As I heard from an instructor on reflexology and acupressure you have to press and massage everything that hurts (means it's in a spasm). Relaxed muscles shouldn't hurt.

 
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sorry, I posted twice.

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