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Old 12-09-2010, 05:03 AM   #1
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functional jaw orthodontist and neuromuscular dentist in SF Bay Area or in CA?

Hi,
I have an open bite. My teeth hit only in the back. I have had braces since 2007 for 18 months and then 6 months for retainer. Then my orthodontist put braces on for me again. 3 months after having braces again, i had a facial pain. My teeth only touch in the back and have TMD. I have difficulty breathing through the nose.
Would you mind refering me functional jaw orthodontist and neuromuscular dentist in SF Bay Area or in CA?

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Old 12-09-2010, 08:03 AM   #2
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Re: Find a Neuromuscular Dentist with LVI, functional jaw orthotics training, and bit

I don't quite know Ca,. too well....but I have a friend in Ca. going to see Dr. Doug Chase....but if I were you....call Dr. Clayton Chan's office in NV. , and see who he would recommend in your area. He is a FJO, and NM. dentist. Good luck....dont' let anyone tell you that you need surgery to correct this...it can be done with appliances...and FJO.

 
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Old 12-10-2010, 06:18 AM   #3
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Re: Find a Neuromuscular Dentist with LVI, functional jaw orthotics training, and bit

Hi Jill,
Before i met a oral surgeon. He said i need a braces again then if braces does not work, i need a orthognathic surgery.
I really do not know the reasons for open bite and TMD
Before having braces, i never have TMD problem. I had TMD when i had braces.
But all of specialists i saw said my teeth need to be moves due to mal occlusion open bite.
I knew Dr Chan, but he charges so expensive.
The fee for TMD treatment is $10, 000 and $500 for chiropractice. The fee for braces is $ 30, 000.
They require all patients to pay all amount of treatment fee right away when have the first appointment.
They do not allow different financial options such as down payment and monthly payment.
I am student. I do not have $40, 000 right away in my pocket.
It would be great if he allows monthly payment. But he does not. It is very hard to ask him about orther FJO orthodontist.
Do you know any functiona jaw orthodontist in north of CA? Do you mind asking your friends for me?
I looked at Dr Doughlas Chase and dr Max Ebrahimian in Scotts Valley. Both of then are neuromuscular orthodontists. But i do not know if whose treatment is compatible and adaptable to me?
Please give me any ideas.
Oh, i have another questions. SOme orthodontist also had training in jaw joint occlusion. They took courses at Roth/William center for occlusion in Burlingame. They are orthodontists and also treat TMD.
On the other hand, neuromuscular orthodontists claims themselves as general dentist but not orthodontists.They also took courses at Las Vegas Institute.
I have open bite, andTMD. I feel 2 nostrils of mine are not equal. The airway in left nostril is smaller than that in the right nostril. The nostril in the left side is sometimes swollen like sinus. But i had a MRI for sinus,i do not have it.
Between 2 kinds of orthodontists, what type of orthodontists that i should have a treament with?
If my orthodontics make my teeth open bite again, can neuromuscular dentist work together with oral surgeon due to the surgery like the regular orthodontist used to work with the surgeon?
Thanks a lot Jill
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Re: Find a Neuromuscular Dentist with LVI, functional jaw orthotics training, and bit

HI Giangangel.....Are you saying that Chan's office does not give out referrals for people in other areas? If so, that's ridiculous. Yes, I did know that his fees are very expensive...he does not take Care Credit? Some dentists offer Care Credit..so you can pay monthly. I do not agree with your oral surgeon saying you need surgery for an open bite. It can be fixed many times with functional appliances..and FJO. My dentist is in Wi....I know that's very far from you...but he has patients coming from Alaska...don't necessarily limit yourself in travelling...if cost is an issue. I know Chan is very expensive. IMO, don't go the Roth Williams ortho. way...I researched them way back when....and I did not agree with their philosophies....they also use upper splints...which in my book are a huge no no...for a daytime appliance. Stick with finding a NM dentist...like Doug Chase that you spoke of. Look at the great tmj doctors thread at the top of the page...I've listed the associations back when on there....to locate a good doctor. Just scroll through..and you will find them. Also, call some of the doctors in the surrounding states on the thread...and ask them if they could maybe give you a rererral as well. 2 of my friends that have tmj are going to Dr. Raman, off the great tmj doctors thread...and they are doing fantastic. He's in Kansas city. Stick with the NM guys...that do FJO. You will be fine. All the sinus issues you are dealing with IMO are directly related to the the TMD..and the bite issues. Don't do the surgery until you can try other methods with a NM doctor. I hope that helps. Just please don't limit yourself to travelling. It's a pain, but it's worth it in the long run..to get with a good doctor.

PS. just to give you an idea of other dentist's costs...My treatment for phase 1 has been approximately..6K...phase 2 FJO and expansion will be approx. well under 10K.....so that will give you an idea on costs. My doctor takes the care credit loans...to finance. I have also been using credit cards to finance...because unfortunately...my daughter and I are in treatment...yikes!

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Old 12-11-2010, 09:40 AM   #5
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Find a TMJ specialist and Functional jaw orthodontist in the northern CA

Hi Jill,
I have a TMD and open bite. I would like to find a neuromuscular dentist who also practice functional jaw orthodontics FJO.
I saw you post Dr Dough Chase in Santa Rosa.
Is he specialized in FJO too?
Would you mind recommending me a very good neuromuscular dentist that practice FJO in northern CA or San Francisco Bay Area.
I keep asking you that because i have had braces for almost 3 years. But the treatment failed. I do not want to stick with my orthodontist.
I found Dr Max Ebrahimian in Scotts Valley. I saw his name in American academy of craniofacial pain as you showed us how to find member in that website.
but i do not know how good he is in practice.
I have difficulty choosing a NM dentist that also practices FJO.
I reallt do not want my new treatment to fail again.
I have a lot of pain on my jaw. I can not even chew food.
Thanks Jill.

 
Old 12-11-2010, 03:18 PM   #6
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Re: Find a TMJ specialist and Functional jaw orthodontist in the northern CA

HEy there...I did reply to the thread under this one...regarding LVI...NM doc in Ca. Let me know if you can't find my reply...Take care, J.

 
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Re: Find a Neuromuscular Dentist with LVI, functional jaw orthotics training, and bit

Hi Jill,

I looked at list of the NM dentists in TMJ doctor thread.

I saw Dr Dough Chase in CA in the list. But Jill,is Dr Dough Chase FJO or just NM dentist? Your friend had treatment with Dr CHase. You friend know if Dr Chase is FJO too?

I asked you before if you know Dr Max Ebrahimian in Scotts Valley, CA. But i do not know if he is good or not. He is an NM orthodontist. He took 15 coursed at LVI.

On the other hand, i do not quite understand about credit loan you mentioned. Do you mean your dentist allow you to pay monthly for the treatment? I called office of Dr Chan, he does not allow to pay monthly. But all the fee must be paid at once immediately when appointment is scheduled. He is very excellent in treating TMD and bad bite, but i can not afford his fee at once. If they take credit care, i can not afford either. The limit of credit care is $3000, but the fee is a lot more than $3000. It is impossible for me.

i looked at the list of NM and FJO you posted. But i can only find 2 doctors. One is DOugh Chase, the other is ...Teri..Dean in Alameda. But i saw there are some not good reviews of the dentist Teri...Dean

I can not find any reviews of Dr Dough Chase.

Jill, i wasted lots of money being treated by previous dentist who is too bad. So, i keep asking a good NM and FJO for certainty so that i do not waste money again. As a student, i am poor.

Consequently, i want to ask as many recommendation as possible from you so that i have a better and effective treatment.

Thank you very much

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Old 12-12-2010, 02:49 AM   #8
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Re: Find a Neuromuscular Dentist with LVI, functional jaw orthotics training, and bit

Hi Jill,
what is difference between orthodontist in Roth William and neuromuscular functional orthodontist?

 
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Hi Jill,
I still dont understand difference between neuromuscular functional orthodontist and orthodontist.
Before, one dentist told me to find a real orthodontist but not a general dentist who has some orthodontic training.
As i look at some functional orthodontist's website, their practices have different types of service such as filling, full mouth restoration, porcelain veneers...
They have service like a general dentist. Are they considered as a general dentist or a orthodontist because they have some training in orthodontics?
I am confused.
I have 2 teeth that chip down/worn down causing their height to be smaller than they were before. I also have open bite and TMD.
Usually orthodontist just move the teeth but do not restore the teeth.
If my case need both orthodontics and restoration to add the height of teeth, what type of orthodontists i should have treatment with?
The neuromuscular orthodontists do many kind of dental works. They do not concentrate more on one specialty. If so, are they good at orthodontics individually even though they have a training at LVI.
Please help me answer my confusion.
Thanks Jill.

 
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hey there.....Yes, I am almost positive that Doug Chase does functional braces. You can confirm this by calling his office Mon. I understand that you do not have money to waste....and yes, Dr. Chan's fees are pretty much out of reach for the average person. The care credit plan that is usually offered by dentists is like a loan...I know you can borrow over 3K because my friend that is going to a dentist in Kansas City borrowed 24K on care credit for her treatment. She is paying monthly...but I do not know if Chan offers that as well. Some don't...you just need to contact the office. Before you settle on another dentist...I would consult with several...and I think dr. Chase would be a good referral for you. Still call dr. Chans though and make sure that they do not offer the care credit loan. Another way to go about finding a good dentist is to call some of the other dentsits in the surrounding states on the great tmj doctors thread....and simply ask them if they can give you a referral for Ca. I would call Dr. Raman's office in Kansas City, for sure, and see what he says.

 
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Re: Find a Neuromuscular Dentist with LVI, functional jaw orthotics training, and bit

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On the other hand, i do not quite understand about credit loan you mentioned. Do you mean your dentist allow you to pay monthly for the treatment? I called office of Dr Chan, he does not allow to pay monthly. But all the fee must be paid at once immediately when appointment is scheduled. He is very excellent in treating TMD and bad bite, but i can not afford his fee at once. If they take credit care, i can not afford either. The limit of credit care is $3000, but the fee is a lot more than $3000. It is impossible for me.
Like Jill said, credit care is like a loan. Credit care loans you the total dollar amount to pay your dentist then you pay credit care monthly. I believe the $3,000 limit is a MINIMUM, not a maximum.

 
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Re: Find a Neuromuscular Dentist with LVI, functional jaw orthotics training, and bit

Hi Saltyk9,
I would like to ask you one question.
I am a student, i do not work. My mom staying out of country supports me through school.
I heard that a person who do not have income can not apply for loan.Is it right?
Like my case, i do not have income, but i have financial support from my mom.
But if now i apply for a credit loan, is it possible?

 
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Hi Jill,
May i ask you some more questions please?
Usually one orthodontist, for example, has a specialty certificate in orthodontist, and only practices in orthodontics. He is board-certified.
But a neuromuscular dentist, for instance, took some courses and training in orthodontics, but practices in many field such as cosmetic, orthodontics...He is not certified.
you think a neuromuscular dentist who had orthodontic training can treat open bite well or i need a real orthodontist who has a certificate/degree in orthodontics? I ask you that because once one dentist told me to have a orthodontics treatment with a specialist who experts in orthodontics.
Thank you very much,

 
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Hi Saltyk9,
I would like to ask you one question.
I am a student, i do not work. My mom staying out of country supports me through school.
I heard that a person who do not have income can not apply for loan.Is it right?
Like my case, i do not have income, but i have financial support from my mom.
But if now i apply for a credit loan, is it possible?
Hi Giangangel,
That is a good question. That may be true in certain circumstances but I am not sure how it is with Credit Care. I just know that whenever I have been given an estimate for cost of treatment they give me the total dollar amount and then the monthly amount (spread out over 24 monthly payments) through Credit Care. I am not sure if there are certain requirements to be able to apply as I have never actually used it. Perhaps someone who has used Credit Care before can help answer that question for you.

 
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