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Old 03-24-2011, 08:42 AM   #1
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Tmj-ruins lives! Look bizarre- and feel worse-need wisdom!

-have had tmj for three years; its made my life miserable- - i sleep l;ess and less; i have this constant pain in my right ear and behind eyes, i get clicking of the sinus-right shoulder and ears click too, and my head-back of skull is making similar sounds- the real strange part is my appearance, my head changing shape , is bigger and have this point where the head devaites in the middle almost like a cone and have a protruding forehead ; its almost as if my face is lower now as head has taken up former place where my face was(seriosuly')!, my cheekbones have almost gone and my face is thinner ; have seen tmj dentist all the splints did not work- where do i go from here? really want to sleep at night and have my old appearance back-im 25- and this has really made me a shell of my former self!

i realise tmj can put excess force on facial/cranial bones but wanna know how to fix it allevaite-something! can i get my appearance back to before ? someone help

 
Old 03-24-2011, 09:10 AM   #2
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Hi Allens25,

I see you're in England too. Which TMJ dentist have you seen for the splints? And what types of splints have you tried?

 
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Old 03-29-2011, 12:24 PM   #3
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Re: Tmj-ruins lives! Look bizarre- and feel worse-need wisdom!

Hi man. Only ONE thing and suggestion. Please, seriously, chek out how about your teeth and bite situation.
And one question: prior and nearby to the beginning of your problem, did you have any dental treatment?
About your aesthetical situation, is logical, because if your muscles are strain all the time, and you don't relax while sleep, and you live whit chronic aches..The appearance changes, but it is reversible.
I tell you from my experience. The real cause of this problem is only one, or two maybe: distress and anxiety, or, in the most of the cases: BITE AND TEETH PROBLEMS. Please check it and keep in touch then.

 
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Hi Allens25,

I see you're in England too. Which TMJ dentist have you seen for the splints? And what types of splints have you tried?
im seeing andre hedger in surrey - very good - but expensive - then again every tmj specialist is expensive !

 
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yes i had my four wisdon teeth pulled out as one was lying down, 6 months later this happens -3 years gone now im depressed even my daughter can sense somethings wrong.
i tried nti splint and michigan - found them too difficult to sleep with, am not a great sleeper anyway but with those im my mouth found it too intrusive-
what do you recommend , have u heard about cranial osteopathy?
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yes i had my four wisdon teeth pulled out as one was lying down, 6 months later this happens -3 years gone now im depressed even my daughter can sense somethings wrong.
i tried nti splint and michigan - found them too difficult to sleep with, am not a great sleeper anyway but with those im my mouth found it too intrusive-
what do you recommend , have u heard about cranial osteopathy?
regards allens
Hi Allens,

I am also having TMJ treatment with Andre. I started my treatment about 18 months ago. I have a lower splint which I have to wear 24/7, and am also having orthodontics.

I have also seen cranial osteopaths. I have seen one in London called Chris Harris. I asked Andre if he could recommend a Cranial Osteopath, and he suggested Chris as he is also a member of the BSSCMD. I think the cranial osteopath has made quite a difference to my TMJ function, and I don't think the splint and dental treatment alone would have been enough. Has Andre not suggested having Chiropractic or Cranial Osteopathy treatment to you?

I have never had an NTI splint. I haven't read very great things about them from other patients who have tried them. From what you have said it sounds like the splints you have been given are for wearing just at night, and not 24/7. Maybe it's because your TMJ and bite condition is different than mine. How long have you been having splint treatment with Andre for? Did you have an MRI of your TMJ?

 
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Re: Tmj-ruins lives! Look bizarre- and feel worse-need wisdom!

I have had TMJ for years without knowing. My specialist just referred me to a TMJ therapist and she is helping me to exercise my tongue and put on the cool pad on my jaw and etc. Everyone has different cause, so you may want to try this one. The therapist also deals with bone/spine issues in general.
In my case, I have both spine and TMJ issue.

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I have had TMJ for years without knowing. My specialist just referred me to a TMJ therapist and she is helping me to exercise my tongue and put on the cool pad on my jaw and etc. Everyone has different cause, so you may want to try this one. The therapist also deals with bone/spine issues in general.
In my case, I have both spine and TMJ issues.

Good luck,
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Hi...It's good information that you have been removed your wisdom teeth prior to the beginning of pain...I could tell you a couple of things.
First: Do you note any changes in your bite after your wisdom teeth were taken off?
What is exactly the pain and uncoumfortabilities are you suffering now?
Suggestions: have an magnetic resonance from your articulations, get x rays from your bite and do a x ray study called "cephalometric". Is possible you could have any class of malocclusion you don't know. In my oppinion, most of tmj problems are related with misalignment in bite.
Sometimes, with a simple action as filling a bit some molars that are contacting first than others, you could achieve solutions. But I dont know if your problem is related with bite or not.
wHAT more...michigans could be useful if is well done, it deppends of the dentist that do the settings.
Dont drink cofee, dont drink alcohol, try to sleep 8 hours, please don't grind your teeth.
I tell you one more time, is very important that you get x rays about your bite situation. A very tiny change in your bite -possibly produced because of the wisdom teeth surgery- could produce very bad aches, pain and desequilibrium. Is really important to check out the situation of bite.

Ok keep in touch.

 
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mri's coming up only beeing seeing him a few months, did you get any facial/cranial changes yourself from the tmj- if so did osteopathy work- did changes reverse? i didnt realise there was a 24/7 splint then again i do most of the damage at night i think! always have cracked lips etc

 
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when i had teeth pulled out in bogota-of all places! i was fine about 3 months later inner ear pain, thats stayed with me for 3 years now- its constantly itchy on the right side, i sleep like 4 hours compared to usual 8 i used to sleep, i get migraines behind right eye at times, im constantly tired; i get a clicking of the sinus and at the back of my head-weird but true! but my appearance is the most obvious , face is lopsided, head has grown- and i can see bone lines where its grown-was sure it was tumour -but scan said no. was told i have maloccolusion, am having mri done of jaw in london, after that god knows- im so tired and trying not to stress out !

 
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mri's coming up only beeing seeing him a few months, did you get any facial/cranial changes yourself from the tmj- if so did osteopathy work- did changes reverse? i didnt realise there was a 24/7 splint then again i do most of the damage at night i think! always have cracked lips etc
So was he the dentist who gave you the michegan splint and NTI splint?

I feel that my TMJ has caused some cranial and facial changes, but I don't think it sounds quite the same as you describe. I had orthodontics with the extraction of a set of 4 teeth when I was a child, which is what may have led to my TMJD. I think it was also the orthodontics which also caused any cranial and facial changes. My chin is too far back, and that was definately from the orthodontics. I have noticed some improvement with the dental treatment and osteopathy. My nose doesn't seem as deviated as it was. But really it's getting how I feel and the pain fixed which is most important to me.

I assume that as you're about to go for an MRI, that you have had an XRay done of your TMJ.

 
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So was he the dentist who gave you the michegan splint and NTI splint?

I feel that my TMJ has caused some cranial and facial changes, but I don't think it sounds quite the same as you describe. I had orthodontics with the extraction of a set of 4 teeth when I was a child, which is what may have led to my TMJD. I think it was also the orthodontics which also caused any cranial and facial changes. My chin is too far back, and that was definately from the orthodontics. I have noticed some improvement with the dental treatment and osteopathy. My nose doesn't seem as deviated as it was. But really it's getting how I feel and the pain fixed which is most important to me.

I assume that as you're about to go for an MRI, that you have had an XRay done of your TMJ.
yeah had the xray done but no the splints were from someone else- but whoever there from i cant sleep with one anyway so it seems trivial if he does the same - the pain and sleep is importan to me naturally- but my appearance is just as important to me seeing as its the most obvious change in me - hope he can help, qwhat have u heard about atlas realigment also the osteopathy route -is it for befroe or after dentistry? too much to figure out tbh!

 
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yeah had the xray done but no the splints were from someone else- but whoever there from i cant sleep with one anyway so it seems trivial if he does the same - the pain and sleep is importan to me naturally- but my appearance is just as important to me seeing as its the most obvious change in me - hope he can help, qwhat have u heard about atlas realigment also the osteopathy route -is it for befroe or after dentistry? too much to figure out tbh!
I have a lower splint which I have to wear 24/7, only removing it for cleaning my teeth. I have never had any trouble sleeping with mine, I find it comfortable to wear. It took a couple of weeks to get used to talking and eating with it, but has never affected my sleep. It may be quite different from the splints you have already tried.
I have heard about atlas realignment, if you're referring to NUCCA chiropractors, it's quite expensive so I haven't tried it. In my opinion it's better to do the dental treatment, and you may find with that you don't need atlas treatment. The cranial osteopathy is nothing like as expensive as the NUCCA chiropractor, and I understand that in some cases Cranial Osteopathy alone can help without the dental treatment. I tried it before and after I began the dental treatment. When I tried it before it helped relieve some of my symptoms for a day or two at the most, and then they return. It also never helped improve my jaw clicking, so I was sure that in my case Cranial Osteopathy alone wasn't enough.

 
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Man...If you say that you have malocclusion, then you must correct that.
I suggest you to get cephalometric study (x ray trace) and therefore your dentist could offer a treatment to achieve your bit. If you had teeth pulled out and after that the pain begun, so It's very very possible that's the cause of the problem. What's you skeletal bite class according to studies? Do you have your lower jay maybe lopsided? do all your teeth normally contact?..
Regarding to craneofacial therapy outcomes, I will say that if your problem is caused by a sort of MALOCCLUSION, so is pretty logical all your pains and you have to attack the cause and not the consequences. If you have malocclusion, you could do a lot of alternative therapies, but they wont be useful because of the misalignment of the bite, which is probably causing all the problem.
I totally have to repeat that is pretty important that you check it the state of your bite and you work on achieve it. Of course, meanwhile, is correct to use a 24/7 lower jaw splint.
One more question: what about your eyelids, your eyes zone? do yo have a tired expression in you face?
Ok. keep in touch.

 
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