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Old 06-12-2011, 07:11 PM   #1
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Hello,

I was diagnosed with TMJD after an excruciating 2 months of looking for an answer to my ear pain, fullness, tinnitus, dizziness (twice), vertigo (once), etc.

I had 2 CT scans, 2 brain MRI's, a few x-rays, a balance test and ecog (for Meniers).

But neither of my two ENT's or 3 Audiologist recommended a TMJ specialist even as I asked if my "fullness in the face" and jaw clicking (w/o pain), the neck pain and the fact that moving my neck increases my ear ringing, was associated to the ear issues.

I went to a TMJ specialist who is a Maxillofacial Surgeon. He is putting me on Occlusal Splints starting Friday after taking several impressions.

My question is: Has anyone with tinnitus dues to TMJ actually improved after TMJ treatment?

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Re: Has anyone's tinnitus actually improved with TMJ Treatment?

I'm still in Phase I, but so far splint therapy along with PT w/ orofacial releases has really helped my ear pain and ringing. I get occassional flares, but they've been temporary. I now go weeks at a time with no ear problems.

It took seeing quite a few specialists and tests before figuring out I had TMJD also.

Good luck with your treatments.
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Re: Has anyone's tinnitus actually improved with TMJ Treatment?

You sir, have returned hope to my heart.

Based on anecdotal references from a dental hygienist friend of mine and even my current ENT, I am going to one of the best when it comes to TMJ. (Dr. Barry Loughner in Orlando, Florida). So I hope I am as lucky as you.

Follow up Q.

Are you using Occlusal Splints at night only? That's what I start on this Friday. Keep in mind my jaw pain is mild... It's the pain in and around the ears (and ringing) that drive me insane.

Thanks soooo much for your reply.

 
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Re: Has anyone's tinnitus actually improved with TMJ Treatment?

I wore a flat plane occlusal splint for about 8 years for bruxism. I was faithfully wearing it at night to protect my teeth. I found out from my TMJ dentist that while it protected my teeth, it actually placed my jaw slightly oout of position when I was sleeping and probably contributed to my TMJ.

I currently wear a mandibular repositioning splint during the day. At night, I wear a customized splint that has a wedge that comes in behind my lower jaw and holds my jaw in a forward position when I lay down. It also has some height build in that matches the height on my mandibular repositioner. I've had very good success with this.

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Re: Has anyone's tinnitus actually improved with TMJ Treatment?

What are "orofacial releases" and how long did it take for the splints to relieve the ear symptoms/tinnitus/pain?

I get my occlusal splints this Friday and I CANNOT wait for them to start working... after I eat, my ear pain and ESPECIALLY the ringing go out of CONTROL!

 
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Re: Has anyone's tinnitus actually improved with TMJ Treatment?

I hope that you have the success I have had so far. The ringing and pain can drive a person nuts. Especially when it is so bad at night it keeps you from sleeping.

Trigger point therapy can help because "releases" are done on areas where muscles have tightened up and kind of formed knots. For someone who is trained appropriately, releases can be done on the masseter and pterygoid muscles. It is hard to find someone with the training though because they have to actually put their hand into your mouth in order to do this. It is incredibly painful the first several times it is done if you are in bad shape, but over time it really does help. I get it done by a specially trained PT. Some chiropractors and massage therapists are also trained.

If you are interested in reading up on it, there is a good book called the Trigger Point Therapy Workbook by Clair Davies that explains the triggerpoints in the body and how to release them. It helps with the pain in the neck, shoulder and back that often accompany TMJ issues as well. I highly recommend reading up on it. I will say that the masseter and pterygoid releases are very very hard to do on yourself. They hurt bad and it takes a long time for the "release" to take place. It is worth it though.

I had some relief almost immediately from the pain. My right ear was still "stuffy" and not popping almost a year after therapy started though. Very disconcerting.

Another book I highly recommend is called the TMJ Healing Plan: 10 steps to relieving headaches, neck pain and jaw disorders by Cynthia Peteron, PT. It is pretty inexpensive on the internet and walks you chapter by chapter through the multiple things you should be working on if you have TMJ.
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Re: Has anyone's tinnitus actually improved with TMJ Treatment?

Hey MR, thanks for the suggestions.

I started the splint therapy with very expensive (very) occlusal splints and I hope I get better soon. My ringing is the worst symptom still and it has gotten very loud lately, when it gets flared up like that it's accompanied with sporadic ear pain, feels like in the canal and around the condyle... Not constant, just spurts. When the ringing is minimal there is almost never pain in the face except if I yawn... I'm convinced it's all TMJ related.

Anyways... How long for your splints when you had them at first before your head quieted down?

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Like many of you, ear problems are one of my biggest complaints with TMD. I've been undergoing NM treatment and have been in a repositioning LVI splint on my lower teeth for about 5 months. It's been adjusted regularly by my dentist to bring the jaw down and forward but I've had no joy in resolving the ear issues. The plugged up, fullness which pulses like a heart beat and throws the balance is still ringing away. If anything, I think it's getting worse from wearing the splint.

 
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Like many of you, ear problems are one of my biggest complaints with TMD. I've been undergoing NM treatment and have been in a repositioning LVI splint on my lower teeth for about 5 months. It's been adjusted regularly by my dentist to bring the jaw down and forward but I've had no joy in resolving the ear issues. The plugged up, fullness which pulses like a heart beat and throws the balance is still ringing away. If anything, I think it's getting worse from wearing the splint.
Hello,

Have you gone to more than 1 ENT to check your ears? Before finding out I had ear issues related to muscle crams/swollenness in and around the TMJ I had to go to 5 ENT/Audiologist. Even after my Maxillofacial doctor started treating the tmd he suggested I keep the ENT weekly checkups. I just want to make sure you are absolutely positive your tinnitus is indeed from TMD. Could be something else...

Reason I saw is because my ringing/ear pain never throws my balance off. I know we are all different, but those are classic meniers symptoms too... Which for 6 weeks they thought I had before they looked at my jaw.

An ecog by an ENT is a test used more frequently now that has a very high success rate at identifying Meniers.

Hope that helps and to hear back from you soon!

 
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I started the splint therapy with very expensive (very) occlusal splints and I hope I get better soon. My ringing is the worst symptom still and it has gotten very loud lately, when it gets flared up like that it's accompanied with sporadic ear pain, feels like in the canal and around the condyle... Not constant, just spurts. When the ringing is minimal there is almost never pain in the face except if I yawn... I'm convinced it's all TMJ related.

Anyways... How long for your splints when you had them at first before your head quieted down?
I had a lot of testing from my current TMJ specialist that confirmed I actually had TMJ and that my lower jaw was pressing back against my ear. It was an MRI that showed my the disc position the best. I had a bunch of other tests that also confirmed my TMJ as well though.


I can't remember exactly how long it took the ringing to get better. The ringing was noticably different fairly quickly. I was doing a lot of PT w/ trigger point releases and taking medication (flexeril and occassionally elavil) to help with the ringing at the same time I started with the splint as well though. I do know it was pretty much gone within a month or so. I know I was sleeping better. I did have a return of the ringing about 6 months in. I went back to having some frequent PT and releases and to taking the flexeril until it went away again.

It was the "stuffiness" that got me the longest. It gradually got better, but I'd say it was about 10 months with the splint before my right ear "popped" and this was after months of stuffiness prior to getting the splint.

If you are having trouble sleeping, you might try the CD called Freedom from TMJ by Denise Lynch. It is a relaxation CD that is specifically for relaxing the muscles around the TMJ... and the rest of your body as well.

While I'm still having some neck and shoulder muscle issues, my facial muscles are doing about 1000% better than a year ago this time when I started with my splint. The neck and shoulder stuff would probably be much better if I could afford to do more massage and therapy though.

A lot of the strategies I use are in the book the TMJ Healing Plan: 10 steps to relieving headaches, neck pain and jaw disorders by Cynthia Peteron, PT.

I hope you start getting some relief soon.
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Re: Has anyone's tinnitus actually improved with TMJ Treatment?

Thanks man!

I got referred to a new internist that's one of the best in the state... I know he is not a TMD "specialist" but hopefully along with my ENT and Maxillofacial dentists he can help me put the whole picture together...

I have the splints but I feel I ned muscle relaxants too so I will ask that from my new primary internist when I see him next week...

Funny you mention the TMJ pressing against the ear as that is exactly how my x-ray looks, yet I haven't been "officially" told that.

Thanks a lot man, you are a savior.

 
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Hey Lancelott, you've got me worried with the mention of Meniere's... the symptoms definitely fit.

I've actually just come off the back of some nasal surgery to open my airways and help my sleep aphnoea, which my ENT specialist/surgeon actually did on me.

When I originally went and saw him I explained that my ears were my biggest complaint. He took a telescope (looked like a whipper snipper cord) and went up into my nose to look around. He said it all looked okay and felt that the ear pressure was due to my TMJ.

I have a post op appointment very soon with him so I'll definitely mention Meniere's and see if he can do an ecog.

Thanks for responding. Take care

 
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Let's hope it is TMJ. One simple reason: at least TMJ induced ringing, by most accounts including people here and my doctor, is treatable and may even go away at times. Menier's is forever and usually leaves a "baseline" tinnitus.

But - I did not mean to worry you! Just ask every question as unfortunately this is all kind of rare and sometimes doctors fail to look at every angle.

So far after 5 days with splints I feel the same with ringing but better with facial pain. My doctor mentioned the ear is the LAST thing to get better.

Another interesting bit:
Tomorrow I will attend a meeting from the ATA and a TMJ expert will be there to answer questions. According to the email his talk will focus on the impact neck muscles have on the ears!

I will report back what I learn.

 
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Re: Has anyone's tinnitus actually improved with TMJ Treatment?

I'm really interested to hear your update after the speech tomorrow. Even though things are better, my neck is a constant problem for me.

Glad to hear your facial muscles are starting to feel better.
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I'm really interested to hear your update after the speech tomorrow. Even though things are better, my neck is a constant problem for me.

Glad to hear your facial muscles are starting to feel better.
Hello,

I had it wrong, it was an expert on physical therapy (retired) with an amazing story of how he was almost crippled and came back to almost normal range of motion through therapy.

Many of the things he said are covered in The TMJ Healing Plan book you recommended, which was good because it validated those points for me. His knowledge of muscles, especially the SCM was incredible.

He was there because he has tinnitus and it got better with PT (keep in mind his came after an explosion while serving), he explained there is evidence of a link between the pressure on the inner ear (air) and tinnitus and how muscles spams in the head, neck and shoulder can increase pressure in the ear. He also mentioned that although rare, there is anecdotal "evidence" (and I read this before) of people whose tinnitus greatly improved or went away after PT. This is like the third time I hear this...

And about TMJ Disorder? He spoke at length after my question that the connection is very simple:

Patients with TMJ issues almost always have issues with their head, neck and shoulder muscles... And PT on those muscles will help alleviate TMJD... So in essence, if you have tinnitus because of your TMJD and PT gives relief to those symptoms, then by proxy PT would alleviate your tinnitus.

It wasn't stuff I haven't read before at some point, but it was reassuring. His knowledge of muscle and bone structure was -again- ridiculous.

I hope the feedback finds you well and that it is at least in a small way, useful to others.

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