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Old 04-05-2012, 04:07 PM   #1
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Please Help!

Guys, I need some input here....

Can TMJ cause problems with your stomach and pains in your mouth, tongue, and even lips?

Thanks.

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Old 04-05-2012, 04:33 PM   #2
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Yep it can, because it might be your atlas bone (at the top of the spine) is out of alignment, which can create a whole host of health issues. A NUCCA chiropractor can check it out for you with x-rays. Here is a list of my health issues, and it turned out my atlas was out of alignment due to a whiplash injury I had 20 years ago! It has taken this long for the symptoms to show up. Anyway, here they are - tmj, ears popping and cracking when I swallow, double vision, chronic fatigue, dizziness, insomnia, inability to relax, sinus pain and pressure, headaches, tingling in legs and feet, sometimes arms, brain fog and feeling like I am in a dreamlike state. It all seems to be linked to the atlas being out of alignment and pressing on nerves and blood vessels that pass through the atlas bone to the rest of the body. If they are compromised by the atlas pressing on them, you can develop a whole host of health issues. I am having adjustments, and have seen some small improvements after three (I had 3 over 2 weeks), am due a fourth on Saturday to see if correction is holding. Once the correction hold, the nerves are freed up and messages from the brain can start getting to the parts of the body they could not reach before and healing begins. It does make sense, check it out on google to see if it can help your symptoms. Best of luck

 
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Old 04-05-2012, 05:19 PM   #3
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Re: ***Please Help***

There is a sticky at the top of this board with an index of TMJD symptoms. Part of that list includes:

Throat Problems:
- swallowing difficulties
- tightness of throat
- sore throat without infection
- voice fluctuations
- laryngitis
- frequent coughing or constant clearing of throat
- feeling of foreign object in throat
- tongue pain
- salivation (intense)
- pain of the hard palate in the mouth
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Old 04-05-2012, 08:33 PM   #4
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Mountainreader,

Thanks so much for the response. I wonder why my ENT thinks there's no way TMJ could cause my symptoms.....

 
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Re: ***Please Help***

My TMJD symptoms are "abnormal" as well as mine presented as ear stuffiness, itchiness and pain. I went to a trusted PCP, ENT, audiologist and dentist. None of them had heard of the TMJD connection. I ended up pretty much self-diagnosing, seeking out an expert, then getting the proper testing to confirm what I had figured out. After that, it was getting the treatment going.

It isn't surprising to me that your ENT might not know the connection.

In my case, I took my results back to my ENT along with some business cards from my current TMJ specialist so they could be aware of the connection and share with other patients who might have similar problems.

I should clarify that my ENT has helped with my LPR diagnosis and treatment over the years. They were the first in the area to do the upper ResTech pH probes to measure the gaseous acid reflux that irritates the throat and mouth. It is the only pH testing that measures gaseous acid vs. the typical probes that measure the liquid acid. While I had a very successful Nissen and my symptoms resolved after surgery, I still have some issues with the gas coming up past the wrap on occassion. The more I think about it, it might be a good test for you as well.

It sounds like you are ready to seek out a good TMJ dentist. Do you want support from the people on this board? If you let us know the general area where you live, we may be able to make some recommendations. There is also a sticky at the top of this board on good TMJD dentists as well.
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MountainReader,

I'm kind of all of over the place with my medical health

During the past year, I gave up on my PCP and started seeking out specialist on my own.

So I got a Nissen Fundo which is basically the last step in LPR/GERD, and my symptoms still persisted. The funny thing is that I never thought I had reflux even though I had this weird burning sensation. The only indicated of reflux was erosion behind my teeth which my dentist pointed out.

I have a TMJ dentist now who's making me an orthotic or splint. I'll get it next Friday. I had my upper bicuspids out when I was young which my dentist said most likely resulted in my bad bite.

But most of us with LPR have to play detective with our health because most ENTs and GIs I've seen basically said 2x ppis and that's it.

I truly believe there is something structurally wrong with my internal body. It must be...to create this unusally set of symptoms. I do believe in this vaccum effect but I wonder can this happen during the day as well or only at night when lying down. If the jaw is too far back, what happens to the digestive system?

If I get better from repositioning my jaw, I'm seriously going to make it known to the whole medical community that they need to be on it to diagnosis others who are not getting relief.....

 
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What kind of splint are you getting? There are a lot of types out there.
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Old 04-05-2012, 09:30 PM   #8
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I don't know the exact name but it's the one that repositions my lower jaw.

My nostrils also feel plugged a lot of the times. More so on my right side but they are never 100% clear. Is this normal?

 
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Hi, don't know if this helps, but I have all sorts of wierd symptoms, and a good friend of mine said to check out a nucca chiropractor to see if my upper cervical was out of alighment. It appears it was, and it could be causing all these wierd symptoms that no-one else seems to be able to diagnose, or even find anything wrong. The atlas bone is at the top of the spine, and it holds up the head. Due to a mild head or neck trauma, it can be pushed out of alignment and rest on the brain stem which goes directly through the atlas bone. As to my understanding of it, nerves and blood vessels are compromised and your body does not receive the correct information from the brain. If you google it you can see more information and whether this might be of help to you. Good luck!

 
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Thanks Ballet Girl. I've seen several chiros but not specifically for that nerve. Do you have tmj? What's your symptoms like and have you gotten relief through treatment? Thanks

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Hi again wplush. Well, I do have tmj. It's a wierd cracking and popping when I swallow from jaw and sounds like in my ears, ear fullness, dizziness, pain behind my eyes, blurry vision, stiff neck which cracks when I turn my head and just a general feeling of being off balance and not on the planet. Brain fog also. I do have digestive problems aswell, and tingling in feet, sometimes arms and hands.

My good friend was convinced it was all to do with the atlas bone, she was so convinced she was going to pay for me to fly to where she lives and attend her chiropractor! That's some serious money! I have had 3 adjustments so far over 2 weeks, I did see some improvement and my adjustment seems to be holding. The trick is to get the bone to stay in place, and then the healing can begin in the body once the obstruction from the nerves and blood vessels is released. The tmj is caused by the head being off alignment so the muscles tighten to compensate for this inbalance. As to my understanding of it, it can stop normal function of the jaw bone and surrounding muscles because they are pushed slightly out of alignment. Also if you have sinus issues, this can affect the lymphatic drainage system working properly, because the tiny tubes that drain are pinched off. It all seems to have a domino affect on everything in your body. That's my understanding of it. My friend told me nerves etc take about 3 months to heal, so it's not an overnight thing. I don't want surgery or anything like that, I also take a mild muscle relaxant to help with the pain, which helps somewhat, while my body is healing. I also take a really good complete nutrition powder to give my bodey everything it needs to heal quicker. I hope all this helps, as I say I have only been having adjustments for two weeks, but have seen some small improvements. Good luck!

 
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Hi Balletgirl, did you ever go through a splint treatment to adjust your bite for tmj?

 
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No I didn't because they are really expensive and I don't have health insurance., Also, it seems that if the neck is the problem, surely a splint won't help because will it adjust the neck also? Just my opinion. Seems like my neck is the cause, so i would rather have my neck treated, where the problem lies. Anyway, hope this helps you.

 
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I am getting my splints on Friday ballet girl. Ill let you know how it goes. Yes it is expensive. It's going o cost about $2000. But I'm desperate here....

 
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Sorry to hear that wplush. Hope it all works out for you. The tmj is subsiding for me, I have had 4 adjustments so far, it does seem to be helping somewhat. Hope your splint does the trick, you could try that aswell as chiropractor if you think that would help. Do you get any sinus issues also, like congestion and blocked ears? That can be a sign that the eustachian tube is blocked because the jaw is not sitting in alignment. I have been using colloidal silver for my sinus issues, it does seem to be helping. I think you can buy it from any pharmacy at a relatively low cost. My friend's mom makes it and gave me some so I haven't bought it myself, but it might be worth looking into. Colloidal silver works on fungal, bacterial and viral infections. I also try to eat really well and take a nutrition powder supplement to boost my diet, I am sure it will all help. Good luck with everything.

 
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