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Old 04-05-2012, 04:14 PM   #1
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I recently went to a dentist for a routine filling replacement on a molar. Before working on my tooth he put a cushion in my mouth, he said to rest my jaw while he worked on my tooth and put sunglasses on me for the lamp, which allowed him to make occlusial (bite) adjustments to all of my bottom teeth, including my front teeth( without my consent by the way) without me being aware. Due to the occlusial adjustments to all of my lower teeth, which is pretty much filing the side of the tooth, there was a major adjustment to my bite causing my TMJ.

The dentist was intentional and deceptive in what he did to me. I had a small dot almalgam filling 1/4 the way down from one of my teeth that was gone because he filed that particular tooth to where the dot almalgam used to be. What he did was place a dot composite filling halfway down that newly filed tooth to make it seem like he didn't file the tooth down as much as he did.

What is disconcerting is the way the dentist would rather protect their own than help someone that was a victim of dental malpractice. One dentist said that some people pick up bacteria when they go to the water fountain, when referring to my dental situation but didn't want to help. Him making that statement, lets me know that he is aware of similar situations.

After doing some research, I learned that the dentist that worked on my teeth specialized in occlusion, so he knew what he was doing when he was filing the sides of my teeth. And, he also specialized in estethics so he could shape my teeth to make them seem normal after he filed the teeth down.

I really have lost respect for dentists. TMJ is big business and they are comprimising the health of healthy people to make money. And, it seems that dentist can do what ever they want and not be held accountable. People should be aware that dentists are intentionally causing this condition. I am going to assume the dentist was going to get kick back from TMJ dentists. Or, he is just a sadistic dentist.

Has anyone else have an experience like mine?

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Old 04-08-2012, 06:23 AM   #2
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Re: TMJ - Dentists intentionally caused TMJ

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sorry I am not understanding. You went to have a filling replaced, and dentist performed an occlusal adjustment instead, without you being aware? Did he make you bite on a colored paper to see if you bite evenly? Occlusal adjustment is a separate expensive procedure, and I cannot imagine a dentist doing it without charging you.
Also, as far as I know, the sunglasses are used to protect your eyes when the light is applied to solidify the filling. I have never heard that occlusal adjustments are made keeping a patient in the sunglasses.

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Old 04-08-2012, 08:42 AM   #3
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Yes, I went in for a routine filling replacement and he did an occlusal adjustment to all of my bottom teeth. He did have me bite down on colored paper and my teeth hit lighter on my right side, but only on the outside of my lower molars. The teeth do not touch in the middle of my lower molars. Now, there is a chance I need to get three crowns to build up my teeth so that they can be back into occlusion.

Before seeing this dentist, I had no problem with my bite. Immediately after seeing him, I new my bite was completely off. When I stood up from the chair, my lower teeth hit further back on on my mouth. Also, all of my lower teeth hit later in my bite then they were used too and immediately started having spasm in my jaw.

Before seeing the dentist, I didn't have an overbite. After seeing the dentist, I did.


What is more expensive, an occlusal adjustment or 3 crowns and complications from crowns such as root canals?

What is more expensive, occlusal adjustments or TMJ treatment?

This wasn't only unethical behavior, this was criminal behavior.

I'm thinking he is either

1) expected me to come back to him for the work,

2) he is getting kickbacks from TMJ dentist

3) he is sadistic

At least a street criminal has the courage to confront someone with all of their senses. Dentist take advantage of people when they are hurting and anesthetized, violate them and then hide behind their profession. Because it is self-regulated industry, dentists will protect their own rather then help those in need. I had to leave the area to get an honest opinion from a dentist. One of the dentist said that some people pick up bacteria when they go to the water fountain, when referring to my situation rather then explaining to me what happened, which let me know that he was aware that something was wrong but he didn't want to tell me exactly what was done. It was only through seeing several other dentist and seeing images from my intraoral pictures that I was able to determine that there were occlusal adjustments to all of my teeth.

 
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Old 04-08-2012, 08:45 AM   #4
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Re: TMJ - Dentists intentionally caused TMJ

I am sorry that you went to a dentist who seems to have done something wrong. If you feel certain about that, then sue him. Please, though, don't lump all dentists into this category. There are millions of dentists who want to help, and are entirely willing to do the right thing. There's no conspiracy going on.

 
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Old 04-08-2012, 12:06 PM   #5
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Re: TMJ - Dentists intentionally caused TMJ

I do understand that there are plenty of dentists out there that have patients best interests at heart, but I just had a real bad dental experience. Also, I made a mistake in the post and put dentists instead of dentist, which I changed. It is truly unconscionable what the dentist did and I was venting my frustration.
In addition, it was disconcerting to go to several other dentists and not have them listen to what I had to say. I actually met some pretty nice dentists in search of answers. Unfortunately, it was only after the damage was done.
Furthermore, I wanted to make people aware of what at least one dentist is capable of and to see if anyone had a similar experience.

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Old 04-08-2012, 06:32 PM   #6
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Re: TMJ - Dentists intentionally caused TMJ

I understand your frustration, however not all dentists are evil or sadistic.

My son's dentist put braces on him years ago, which caused him a severe case of TMJD. (The braces actually collapsed his upper palate) After years of pain and misery, it was another dentist that actually helped him and he now leads a fairly pain-free life.

There are some "good guys" still left out there, you just have to find them.

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Old 04-09-2012, 10:55 AM   #7
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Re: TMJ - Dentists intentionally caused TMJ

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I myself have had a very bad experience with the dentist. I had a dental bridge put in and that has completely ruined my bite, all teeth shifted and I got severe TMJD. I am now in braces to shift my teeth back to where they belong and feel better, but who knows if I will ever feel normal again as I used to.

I do understand your frustration. God knows, what I have been through since this bridge. However, at some point I started seeing beyond my anger and frustration, and decided that I will cut my losses and move on. I have no choice, and there's no way back. Thankfully, I found something that helps. What did it cost me financially? A cost of a failed bridge, a cost of TMJ splint therapy (completely unnecessary), a cost of braces, a cost of a future implant and a cost to replace two crowns from a failed bridge. Ok, I am willing to substract braces because I needed them anyway, but other than that...
Oh well. I am taking it as a very expensive and painful life lesson. Money is nothing. Health is everything. I hope that at least in the end my problems are solved. So you see, you are not alone...

Are you trying to do something to fix your jaw?

 
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Old 04-09-2012, 10:57 AM   #8
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My son's dentist put braces on him years ago, which caused him a severe case of TMJD. (The braces actually collapsed his upper palate) After years of pain and misery, it was another dentist that actually helped him and he now leads a fairly pain-free life.
Can you please explain what you mean by "collapsed his upper palate"? I am asking because that is how I'd explain what the dental bridge did to my upper palate. And how you had it fixed. Thanks!

 
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Can you please explain what you mean by "collapsed his upper palate"? I am asking because that is how I'd explain what the dental bridge did to my upper palate. And how you had it fixed. Thanks!
The dentist that put his braces on kept pulling his teeth in further and further, thus collapsing his upper palate. (The roof of his mouth basically caved in) Muscles then became involved and they ended up playing a part in his displaced discs. In hindsight, the dentist should've used expanders to expand the upper and lower jaw and this entire mess likely wouldn't have happened.

He initially went through splint therapy to at least get the pain down to a reasonable level and then expansion started. I think to this day, he went through about 8-10 sets of expanders. While I was worried that expanders would cause more pain, fortunately they didn't and the pain dwindled.

 
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Re: TMJ - Dentists intentionally caused TMJ

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may I ask how old your son was at the time this happened? Expanders only really expand the palate until 18 or so, but when a person is no longer growing they only push the teeth sideways - similar to braces. Oh and by the way, I have read that expanders are connected to TMJD, so perhaps this depends on the individual and what's best for each of us individually.
Who would have thought this sort of thing can happen? And why does it happen so seldom? Given how many people are treated with braces, one would expect it to happen more often. There are so many things we don't understand (and don't account for) in the functioning of teeth and TMJ that this scares me. I am glad that your son feels better. And I agree with you, most dentists are not sadistic by nature and want the best for their patients. The thing is, as I said, we do not understand many things and while most people are fine, the cases like your son, me and many others here will continue to happen. I am hoping that one day we will know more and that would be the era of personalized dentistry.

 
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My son was 13 when he first began experiencing pain. It didn't come on little by little, but overnight and extreme. Yes, most people's sutures lock in at approximately 18, however my son has been extremely fortunate and he happens to be on his very last set of expanders at this time. I did read of another member here (years ago when I first joined) that used an expander in her 40's and it worked for her!

Everyone is different, so what may work for one, may not work for another. My son had no problem with the expanders pushing his teeth sideways. In fact, his teeth are so straight now that it "looks" like he had braces.

I don't think that TMJD happens as seldom as you think. Many of my son's friends that had braces as he did at a young age are now complaining of jaw pain. Just think.....something as simple as a filling that's just a little bit higher than the rest of your teeth can start up a pain cycle. Amazing, isn't it?

What brought you here, if you don't mind my asking? While there may be some dentists/specialists that are clueless to what they're doing, there are also a lot of very knowledgeable, caring ones out there. People have to find relief somewhere, otherwise these forums wouldn't be able to handle how many people have/had TMJD at some point in their lives. This leads me to believe that once a person gets better, they move on with their life.

Best,

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Old 03-19-2013, 05:24 PM   #12
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Re: TMJ - Dentist intentionally caused TMJ

My heart goes out to you. Looking4Answers. This sounds terrible and yes, criminal. Out of interest, Looking4Answers, did this happen in Boston (same as your location)?
How are you now?

 
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Re: TMJ - Dentists intentionally caused TMJ

I feel sorry for your situation. Yes there are some bad dentists out there - but not all are. I think you should consider making a formal complaint to the professional body that regulates dentists in your area. Maybe you will feel like this is a waste of a time, that they won't do anything, but if people keep putting up with shoddyand negligent treatment, then bad dentists will continue to get away with their actions. I would also consulting a malpractice lawyer - maybe you can sue for legal damages.

In the meantime, I hope you find another qualified dentist who can help you. If you are in Boston, Tufts University apparently has a pain clinic which does a lot of work in TMJ issues. Google them. Maybe you can get into see someone there.

 
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