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Old 02-05-2013, 08:57 AM   #1
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I have some kind of jaw problem where I got hit under my left cheek bone by someone's head as I was standing over them and they were coming up from the ground. XRAYS normal, no fractures. But when I open and close my mouth its not the same as before and if I hold my fingers on the side of my jaw where the jaw is hinged and opens beside of the ear, I can feel the left side has a little protruding round feeling bone sticking out farther than on the right side in the same spot. Had MRI's that did not show TMJ, or any dislocation of the discs. Seen a "specialist" that didn't say much except to do PT. I can't yawn as big as I used to, I can't sing the same, and when I open and close my mouth moves from side to side as it closes (moves slightly to the right first as I start to close, then it moves to the left (where was hit) as it closes completely. Had pain in lower jaw for a while afterwards. Months later... I yawned too big in the shower and I felt a pop/something didn't feel right in my left jaw. The next day I had a feeling of "water in my ear", it didn't feel right, which went on for a while, 2 weeks later went to ENT and got some steroids to take for a week when slight hearing loss left ear was discovered. 3 weeks later it was better and hearing normal again. The other night I started to talk and my left jaw did some kind of loud crunch noise and now my Maxillary sinus and left side of nose is sore and feels "Stuffy", and also my left cheek bone under my eye feels pressure sometimes, along with pressure in the left roof of my mouth... any suggestions?

 
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Old 02-05-2013, 12:19 PM   #2
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Re: Not TMJ??? No one knows!! PLEASE HELP!!

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What you describe is similar to some people with TMJ but yours is due to injury and not other issues like referred tension. It sounds like your jaw is misaligned which is why its not opening and closing properly. The other symptom of cant sing the same and ear feeling full of water as well as crunching and pressure on one side of the jaw all match TMJ symptoms.

My reasons are as follows;
You had a hit on the left cheekbone, done by something as strong as the skull it transferred a lot of shock into the surrounding area. The cheek bone is known as the zygomatic bone and attaches to the bone that runs from the cheek to the ear aka zygomatic process - the bony protrusion that goes from cheek to ear below temple.

This hit transferred shock into the surrounding bone and the jaw fits just under that one that runs to the ear. It might have been enough shock to misalign things slightly but not enough to be seen on an MRI. This shock could also have caused the muscles to contract which incorrectly is misaligning your jaw.

The issue with your singing is due to muscle tension transferring to the hyoid bone from the surrounding jaw area this is pulling the muscles to your throat slightly out of alignment which puts uneven pressure on your larynx and can affect your vocals.

Water in the ear is a classic TMJ symptom and this is due to pressure from the jaw being transferred into the middle ear and this in turn puts pressure on the cochlea which can cause your discomfort.

I would do some exercises for TMJ and also do stretches for neck and shoulders. Make sure you also massage the muscles in the jaw and cheeks and the scalp and above the ears. Find out if there is any muscular tension and work on releasing any.

Let me know how things go, as I think you can get things to improve without too much of an issue.

Good luck and hope this helps.

 
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Old 02-05-2013, 03:35 PM   #3
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Re: Not TMJ??? No one knows!! PLEASE HELP!!

Sounds like tmj to me, find yourself a tmj specalist and they should know whats going on.Tmj doesn't always have to have physical damage like discs etc , alignment issues/ muscle issues are also tmj related

 
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Old 02-06-2013, 02:36 PM   #4
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Sounds like tmj to me, find yourself a tmj specalist and they should know whats going on.Tmj doesn't always have to have physical damage like discs etc , alignment issues/ muscle issues are also tmj related
I did see a "specialist" but knew right away I wasn't going to get anywhere with him. He suggested Physical therapy to loosem the muscles because I know the alignment is messed up.

He didnt do anything but offer PT.
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Old 02-06-2013, 03:49 PM   #5
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What was suggested will help, there is no magic cure which suddenly everything gets better and it goes away. Mine doesn't unless I do my stretches and exercises. If I do that I have no problems at all, if I ignore them then it comes back.

I think my TMJ was caused by a shoulder injury which happened just before my TMJ became prevalent. With the weakness in the right side it caused by body to twist from the exercise I was doing. It wasn't until I had some more physio to correct and strengthen my shoulder that I was able to get some balance back.

I am not sure if a old serious muscle injury in my left leg also caused things to get worse as that leg was weaker than my right side. This has improved with foam rolling and doing specific leg exercises to build the muscles, I can now run almost normally but have more work to do.

Shoulder is better but I still have to follow my routines, I dont mind as it is part of what I do with my daily training in any case. I will do a test in about 3 months time when I feel my leg and shoulder are stable. If I ignore my stretching in the past it returned but I can reverse the situation quite quickly.

I went from TMJ to OK in 2 weeks with what I do. All the best with yours.

 
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Old 02-06-2013, 11:14 PM   #6
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Thank you graciously for your post & detailed reply! When I described where I was hit I wasn't very detailed, I am sorry, I was hit under the jaw bone on the left side. And the singing part where I can't sing effects are not being experienced in my larynx in this case as I have heard it is in other ones, but just in my left jaw because I can't open my mouth the same way or as wide open. I so appreciate your input and bless you!!

 
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Old 02-06-2013, 11:16 PM   #7
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Starflower

What was suggested will help, there is no magic cure which suddenly everything gets better and it goes away. Mine doesn't unless I do my stretches and exercises. If I do that I have no problems at all, if I ignore them then it comes back.

I think my TMJ was caused by a shoulder injury which happened just before my TMJ became prevalent. With the weakness in the right side it caused by body to twist from the exercise I was doing. It wasn't until I had some more physio to correct and strengthen my shoulder that I was able to get some balance back.

I am not sure if a old serious muscle injury in my left leg also caused things to get worse as that leg was weaker than my right side. This has improved with foam rolling and doing specific leg exercises to build the muscles, I can now run almost normally but have more work to do.

Shoulder is better but I still have to follow my routines, I dont mind as it is part of what I do with my daily training in any case. I will do a test in about 3 months time when I feel my leg and shoulder are stable. If I ignore my stretching in the past it returned but I can reverse the situation quite quickly.

I went from TMJ to OK in 2 weeks with what I do. All the best with yours.

I am so glad for you that you are doing better. Thank you so much, I have been dealing with this for a year now. I hope to soon get insurance again and go to PT and get another BETTER specialist for this.

 
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Old 02-07-2013, 06:06 AM   #8
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Exercise and stretching will help so I'd got to PT.My tmj started after doing heavy weight lifting and I severely hurt my left shoulder ,and back.I effectively twisted my body crooked and it affected my jaw which now slants left.Getting myself back to normal will be a struggle but it is what it is.There is not magic remedy for TMJ and each case will require different treatment.Some with splints ,some with PT some with both! And at home exercises.

 
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Old 02-07-2013, 11:03 AM   #9
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Exercise and stretching will help so I'd got to PT.My tmj started after doing heavy weight lifting and I severely hurt my left shoulder ,and back.I effectively twisted my body crooked and it affected my jaw which now slants left.Getting myself back to normal will be a struggle but it is what it is.There is not magic remedy for TMJ and each case will require different treatment.Some with splints ,some with PT some with both! And at home exercises.
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Yours is very similar to what I had from what you mentioned. I do a mix of full body stretching and neck shoulder stretches as well as scalp face massage which gives me the best result.

Wish you the best on your journey in finding a solution.

 
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Old 02-07-2013, 04:20 PM   #10
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Same to you fellow sufferer,I hope you heal quickly.

 
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