Yes, it's always worse after sex. And the discharge is a symptom of both cytolytic vaginosis and lactobacillosis. I don't know anything about Donaxyl, and I couldn't find anything about in online that was in English... you must live outside of the US? But if it helped you and made your symptoms and discharge go away, it probably killed off a lot of the lactobacillus. If your vaginal cultures show nothing except lots of lactobacillus, baking soda baths will help you tremendously. I am doing great. I just take baking soda baths whenever I start to notice a bit of irritation, which is usually after having sex & also during the second half of my monthly cycle. So the problem is not completely gone, but it is very manageable & no more than a minor inconvenience now. This is major improvement since it used to control my life!
Yes, there are actually 2 separate conditions, one called cytolytic vaginosis and another called lactobacillosis. Essentially, they are the same thing... an overgrowth of lactobacillus. The difference is that in cytolytic vaginosis there is so much lactobacillus that it actually starts to destroy the vaginal tissue, which causes pain. So they're really just the same problem, but I think cytolytic vaginosis is essentially a very advanced form of lactobacillosis.
Anyway, I would STRONGLY recommend the baking soda baths. You can look up how to do baking soda sitz baths online. You'll need to make them pretty strong (only a couple inches of water and a good amount of baking soda). You can also make a paste with baking soda and water & put it directly in the vagina & on the vulva. But this was way too strong for me when I tried it & actually ended up causing me to have more irritation for a while after doing it. So be careful with that. You'll have to give the baking soda baths some time to work. You can take them 2x a day if you have time to do so. I just did them once a day and finally started feeling much better after taking baths about 10 days in a row. Also, you should try not to use tampons if you can avoid it. Blood is very alkalizing and will kill off a lot of the lactobacillus during your period, but it works better without a tampon there to absorb it.
Also, you should avoid eating anything containing lactobacillus, such as yogurt, sour cream, or probiotic pills. Your body has too much lactobacillus already, so you don't want to give it any more.
Good luck. I know exactly what you're going through and how frustrating and depressing it can be. But believe me, there are far worse problems you could have. This one is actually quite easy to treat once you get it under control. Let me know how it goes & feel free to ask me any other questions you come up with. I'm always happy to help someone else try to get rid of this terrible problem and get their life back!
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Originally Posted by lujimar
Hi,
My problems are exactly like yours. Do you also flare after sex? It's a nightmare for me. I also have a milky discharge (no odor) from vagina which gynos find normal however I know it's bothering me because my problems occur either after i pee or either this discharge contacts my urethral opening and vulva. As long as im laying down, im fine. Also I used a vaginal capsule called Donaxyl and i swear i was healed %100. The discharge disappeared as well. However a few weeks later it was back. However no pain..just the discharge so had sex and back to nightmare. My boyfriend is still with me with lack of sex anyway...my vaginal cultures show a lot of lactobilissis. I'm curios, how are you doing? Did you solve your problem? and there are 2 sicknesses, the one you are talking about CV and also lactobolissis. Very hard to differentiate. Does the baking soda help?
The following user gives a hug of support to kris447: lujimar (10-21-2012)
Thank you so much for your reply. I meant to reply it earlier but now that i feel good for the last few days, i tried to take care of the things outside of my apt like shopping etc. Unbelievable but i've tried baking soda even before i wrote here upon reading your posts and i guess it's working. I dont have a bath, i have a shower so what i did was putting the mix in a little bottle and spray it in the shower. One time I did it a bit too much i think, and tried to wash a little more towards inside the opening and ahhhh it was a bad bad day. But the next day i got better, better and better. So i kept washing one day with baking soda (not like that one time which caused me pain) and then i rinse it a bit with hot water..(HOT MAKES ME FEEL SOOOO GOOD)..and then one day i wash it with regular hot water. So far there is still irritation but really very very little (yesssss )) and the discharge seems to disappear. I told my gyno about this and she said this might be it, too much good bacteria and she told me to wash with apple vinegar (??!!) isnt this supposed to create good bacteria and kill the yeast? im confused, can we also use apple vinegar?
im so happy to see a few people including you has searched so much as much as I did. I was hopeless then i brought the clues together, took me 1.5 years old, tons of tests, a lot of money spent on ignorant doctors, depression, job loss (now im pursuing a different career), and a weak stomach with acid reflux. I feel like my body is full of ACID. I might be growing an alien inside if we dont laugh, how can we cope with this right? anyway, im also drinking baking soda because my stomach is developing too much acid...thanks to the doctors who gave me antibiotics and when i told them im having acid reflux, they said KEEP TAKING..i did not..as a result of 2 pills of monodox, i had to start nexium and once you are on nexium, it's very hard to leave because your body wants this medicine to keep the acid balance. This medicine companies are monsters!!! (not all) Now that we are talking about medicine, it's time to talk about this Donaxyl tablet i used. Yes i live in Europe and English is my second language (sorry for grammar mistakes)... here is the ingredientsequalinium Chloride...i guess it's good for gram negative and positive bacterias, yeast and trischomonas (although i am negative for all). i searched it, here it is:Fluomizin - Flu omizin is used for the treatment of vaginal infections. It exerts its action locally within the vagina. Marked relief with regard to discharge and inflammation generally occurs within 24-72 hrs. Indications: vaginal infections
I will let this baking soda showers go for a while and if i continue to feel good, i will try some action in bed to see if i will again be sick.
QUESTIONS:
1) How come good bacteria causes urination problems? why did it happen after a UTI? (i actually used lactobolisis vaginal tablets after the antibiotic because the doctor has asked). After sex I have a hard time starting urine...it's like prostates in men. Then burning...days and days...ah God it gives me the chills even to think about it. It continues for months..I was suspicious of a skene's gland infection. What do u think about this?
2) What about augmentine ?
Looking forward to hear from you..
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I'm so glad to hear the baking soda is helping you. It definitely can sting a little bit if you use too much, but I always take that as a sure sign that it's working. I would suggest you keep doing what you're doing. Eventually you shouldn't have to use the baking soda as often.
I would NOT suggest using apple vinegar. I have no idea where your doctor came up with this. But vinegar is very acidic, and you already have too much acidity. Stick to the baking soda, which is alkalizing.
Like you, It took me way too long to figure out what my problem was. I suffered through 2.5 years of tests, doctors visits, and medical bills, all for nothing. Then one day I decided to start from scratch & just search for my symptoms on the internet to see what could be causing them. I happened to get lucky and come across the cytolytic vaginosis diagnosis, which fit my symptoms perfectly. I immediately went to the store and bought a big box of baking soda.
Yes, it definitely helps to keep a sense of humor about this! If you feel like your entire body is too acidic, you're probably right. I also had digestive issues when I was at the peak of my cytolytic vaginosis misery. But I was taking probiotics, and as soon as I found out I had too much lactobacillus, I stopped taking the probiotics (which contained 5 different species of lactobacillus). That solved my digestive issues. But you could keep drinking the baking soda mixed with water, that should help you. You should also try sticking to very alkalizing foods for a while (lots of veggies mostly), and avoid acidic foods like tomatoes and oranges. You could even buy some pH test strips if you wanted to. You can pee on them to see how acidic your urine (& thus probably your whole body) is. I followed an alkalizing diet very strictly for 8 weeks when doctors told me I had interstitial cystitis. I would pee on the pH strips every time I went and if my urine was very acidic I would make sure to eat more alkalizing foods.
I think antibiotics could be part of what causes this bacterial imbalance. Maybe you and I took too many antibiotics prescribed by doctors (I know I did), and our bodies started making more lactobacillus to try to balance everything out. You're right though... most of these prescription medicines are bad and cause more problems than they solve. The donaxyl tablets you used probably killed off a lot of the lactobacillus you had at first and made you feel a bit better. But then the lactobacillus eventually comes back and you feel worse again. I went through this a lot with different antibiotics I was on. I would feel better for a couple days when I first started a new antibiotic, and then after a couple days I would feel even worse than before.
To try to answer some of your questions... I think the lactobacillus causes urinary symptoms because there is just way too much of it. The lactobacillus actually starts to destroy the vaginal tissue once there is way too much of it. Since the urethra & glands are right up there in the vagina, they also get red, sore, swollen & damaged by the lactobacillus overgrowth. This is my theory anyway. As for why it happened after a UTI, my guess is that the imbalance was caused by the antibiotics they gave us for the UTI. At one point I thought I had a skene's gland infection too. I went on a 12-week course of doxycycline antibiotic because this is what I read was effective in treating a skene's gland infection. No surprise, it only made my real problem worse. I really think the glands just become swollen & sore when there is too much lactobacillus around. But I think the problem is outside the glands, not inside.
Augmentin is just another antibiotic. If I was you, I would stay away from all antibiotics, and all prescription drugs completely for a while if you can. I have had better results just educating myself on the internet, using baking soda baths, eating a healthy diet, taking supplements & seeing my naturopathic doctor from time to time. So that would be my recommendation. I have given up on conventional medicine & doctors. All they do is take your money & give you prescription drugs.
Let me know how it goes & if I can be of any more help. Again, I'm so happy to hear that you're seeing improvement in your condition!
Kristyn
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Originally Posted by lujimar
Hello Kristy,
Thank you so much for your reply. I meant to reply it earlier but now that i feel good for the last few days, i tried to take care of the things outside of my apt like shopping etc. Unbelievable but i've tried baking soda even before i wrote here upon reading your posts and i guess it's working. I dont have a bath, i have a shower so what i did was putting the mix in a little bottle and spray it in the shower. One time I did it a bit too much i think, and tried to wash a little more towards inside the opening and ahhhh it was a bad bad day. But the next day i got better, better and better. So i kept washing one day with baking soda (not like that one time which caused me pain) and then i rinse it a bit with hot water..(HOT MAKES ME FEEL SOOOO GOOD)..and then one day i wash it with regular hot water. So far there is still irritation but really very very little (yesssss )) and the discharge seems to disappear. I told my gyno about this and she said this might be it, too much good bacteria and she told me to wash with apple vinegar (??!!) isnt this supposed to create good bacteria and kill the yeast? im confused, can we also use apple vinegar?
im so happy to see a few people including you has searched so much as much as I did. I was hopeless then i brought the clues together, took me 1.5 years old, tons of tests, a lot of money spent on ignorant doctors, depression, job loss (now im pursuing a different career), and a weak stomach with acid reflux. I feel like my body is full of ACID. I might be growing an alien inside if we dont laugh, how can we cope with this right? anyway, im also drinking baking soda because my stomach is developing too much acid...thanks to the doctors who gave me antibiotics and when i told them im having acid reflux, they said KEEP TAKING..i did not..as a result of 2 pills of monodox, i had to start nexium and once you are on nexium, it's very hard to leave because your body wants this medicine to keep the acid balance. This medicine companies are monsters!!! (not all) Now that we are talking about medicine, it's time to talk about this Donaxyl tablet i used. Yes i live in Europe and English is my second language (sorry for grammar mistakes)... here is the ingredientsequalinium Chloride...i guess it's good for gram negative and positive bacterias, yeast and trischomonas (although i am negative for all). i searched it, here it is:Fluomizin - Flu omizin is used for the treatment of vaginal infections. It exerts its action locally within the vagina. Marked relief with regard to discharge and inflammation generally occurs within 24-72 hrs. Indications: vaginal infections
I will let this baking soda showers go for a while and if i continue to feel good, i will try some action in bed to see if i will again be sick.
QUESTIONS:
1) How come good bacteria causes urination problems? why did it happen after a UTI? (i actually used lactobolisis vaginal tablets after the antibiotic because the doctor has asked). After sex I have a hard time starting urine...it's like prostates in men. Then burning...days and days...ah God it gives me the chills even to think about it. It continues for months..I was suspicious of a skene's gland infection. What do u think about this?
2) What about augmentine ?
Looking forward to hear from you..
The Following User Says Thank You to kris447 For This Useful Post: lujimar (11-01-2012)
I am having the same problem right now. I had a uti and my urine shows clear now but my symptoms never went away. I feel the constant urge to go to the bathroom. It is driving me crazy, I feel like I want to crawl out of my skin. I just saw a urologist this week so I just went for an ultrasound of my kidneys and bladder today. I just don't understand because I have had utis all of my life and the symptoms went away in a couple of days after starting meds. I'm wondering if you have any updates or successes as of yet?
Hi RaeP - sorry to hear how you have been feeling. I have been there and it was NOT fun.
Have a look through my posts, as your story sounds a bit like mine.
I only ever had one symptom - feeling like I needed the toilet all the time - and that came about from a UTI. After we treated it with antibiotics, the sensation just didn't go away.
I am now 100% better and have been for over 18 months.
Have a read of my posts and if you want any more details, or a sympathetic ear, then let me know.
Thanks for replying back. That is awesome that you are fine now. I hope to be there soon too because in this short period of time that I have been going through this it has taken over my life. I am completely miserable with the constant feeling. I am hoping that mine is just an irritation or something from the uti as yours was. It just seems so odd that I have been getting utis for 20 years and this is the first one that has ever acted this way.
Hello Kristyn, I'm in USA now...constantly busy...shooting a film, packing and dealing with jetlag. I'm feeling better now. I'm on my period so no pain at all. But once it finishes i feel the irritation again but it's not unbearable. My pharmacist recomended me a oustropath, homeopath and neuropath..he is all of them. He talked to me on the phone (i will see him when i go back home) he asked me questions like "do u have heartburn, do you have gas, do your gums bleed and hurt once in a while,is the area below your chest very small? and then he said my immune system is *ucked up..and i need to use yoghurt on my vagina and i need to eat healthy, 9000mg of omega3 that will gradually go down mg wise..and something called colustram (i dont remember exactly), cranbery pills, vitamine D and lactobillisis tablets. I'm just scared because he didnt understand the part about growing too much good bacteria, he keeps telling me my good bacteria is gone..anyway..will update you guys.
I wanted to let you know that this is exactly how my symptoms started too. I had a UTI that went away with antibiotics, but it still felt like I had to pee all the time. My problem ended up being an irritated urethra from cytolytic vaginosis. I think the antibiotics I was on for the UTI caused an imbalance of the good bacteria in the vagina, which is what cytolytic vaginosis is. After about 1 year of feeling like I had to pee all the time, my symptoms got worse and I just felt irritated, itchy, raw & burning down there all the time. But all my tests kept coming back normal. Finally over a year after that I figured out it was cytolytic vaginosis and not any of the other awful things doctors had been telling me it was (like interstitial cystitis). Anyway, after finding out what I was dealing with, the recovery was pretty quick. I took baking soda sitz baths daily and in about 10 days I saw major improvement. Now I just take the baking soda baths from time to time when I start to feel that irritated urethra feeling or get a little itchy down there. Other than that, my life is back to normal! You should look into the cytolytic vaginosis diagnosis as a possibility... goodluck & let me know if I can answer any questions.
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Originally Posted by RaeP
I am having the same problem right now. I had a uti and my urine shows clear now but my symptoms never went away. I feel the constant urge to go to the bathroom. It is driving me crazy, I feel like I want to crawl out of my skin. I just saw a urologist this week so I just went for an ultrasound of my kidneys and bladder today. I just don't understand because I have had utis all of my life and the symptoms went away in a couple of days after starting meds. I'm wondering if you have any updates or successes as of yet?
I don't know about this doctor you talked to. I would NOT put yogurt on your vagina or take lactobacillus tablets. You already have too much lactobacillus, why would you want more?? I'm convinced that the lactobacillus tablets I was taking (before I knew what was wrong with me) made my condition much worse. I don't want that to happen to you too. I don't think he understands what your problem really is. I would try to explain to him again what your problem is and why you don't think the yogurt and lactobacillus tabs are a good idea. If he still doesn't get it, you should keep looking for a better doctor. If you're ever in Denver, Colorado USA, I have a good women's health naturopathic doctor I can recommend. For now, just use your head & don't do anything a doctor tells you to do unless you agree with them.
Kristyn
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Originally Posted by lujimar
Hello Kristyn, I'm in USA now...constantly busy...shooting a film, packing and dealing with jetlag. I'm feeling better now. I'm on my period so no pain at all. But once it finishes i feel the irritation again but it's not unbearable. My pharmacist recomended me a oustropath, homeopath and neuropath..he is all of them. He talked to me on the phone (i will see him when i go back home) he asked me questions like "do u have heartburn, do you have gas, do your gums bleed and hurt once in a while,is the area below your chest very small? and then he said my immune system is *ucked up..and i need to use yoghurt on my vagina and i need to eat healthy, 9000mg of omega3 that will gradually go down mg wise..and something called colustram (i dont remember exactly), cranbery pills, vitamine D and lactobillisis tablets. I'm just scared because he didnt understand the part about growing too much good bacteria, he keeps telling me my good bacteria is gone..anyway..will update you guys.
It is amazing that after all of the doctors and tests that you had done and for the amount of time that you struggled you were diagnosed, treated, and felt better within 10days! I am feeling so frustrated and sad about this entire thing right now. I see the urologist again tomorrow for a cystoscopy. The only symptom that I have is the urge to urinate and it seems to range from mild to super strong throughout the day. No rhyme or reason to it. I just want this all to be over with. Did your doctor ever prescribe you any of the overactive bladder meds?
Good luck with your cystoscopy. I had one done in the early days of trying to diagnose my problem and there was nothing found. That doctor said he didn't think it was an overactive bladder as I didn't have any other symptoms. And it was a different doctor who finally diagnosed me.
It might be worth trying some overactive medicine as if it isn't that, then it won't make any difference and at least you can rule that out.
Initially they gave me oxybutynin, which didn't really work that well, and then I tried Vesicare, which was amazing! Definitely worth trying I think, given that your situation sounds very similar to mine.
Keep your chin up. I know it is hard when you are engulfed in something like this, and it feels like it will never go away, but it will.
I know, right!? I spent thousands of dollars, and hours of time trying to figure out what was wrong with me for 2 and 1/2 years before I finally figured out baking soda baths were the cheap & easy cure I needed! I'm convinced the experience made me a better person though, and now I'm eager to help others going through the same agony I went through.
How did your cystoscopy go? Did they see anything abnormal? Mine showed my bladder was completely normal and healthy, but the cystoscopy itself was probably one of the worst experiences in my life. Hurt like HELL and peed blood for 3 days afterwards. I almost passed out in the waiting area after the procedure because I was in so much pain and a nurse had to go get me some water. I really hope your appointment went better than mine.
Yes, the urologist I saw for several months prescribed me both Detrol-LA and Flowmax. I tried each one (separately) for 6 weeks. Neither did anything for me at all. From experience, I would suggest trying to get the doctors to focus on finding out exactly what is wrong with you before you try any prescription drugs. They tend to just throw drugs at you to try to cover up your symptoms instead of focusing on trying to fix the cause of the symptoms. My ONLY initial symptom I had after the UTI was the same as yours... I just felt like I had to pee all the time. So you might want to give the baking soda baths a try before you try a bunch of prescriptions. The baking soda certainly won't cause any harm if it doesn't work, unlike the prescriptions that all have nasty side-effects.
Anyway, hang in there! Let me know how you're doing.
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Originally Posted by RaeP
It is amazing that after all of the doctors and tests that you had done and for the amount of time that you struggled you were diagnosed, treated, and felt better within 10days! I am feeling so frustrated and sad about this entire thing right now. I see the urologist again tomorrow for a cystoscopy. The only symptom that I have is the urge to urinate and it seems to range from mild to super strong throughout the day. No rhyme or reason to it. I just want this all to be over with. Did your doctor ever prescribe you any of the overactive bladder meds?
I had my cystoscopy on Tuesday and of course all is well. He sent me for a pelvic ultrasound yesterday and all is good there too. So I don't know what to think. My anxiety levels are definitely getting the best of me because I can't stand feeling like I have to go to the bathroom all of the time!!! Every tells me to just ignore it and it will eventually go away, I can't ignore something that I can feel all of the time!! The urologist did give me a one week supply of Vesicare and I only took the second pill today, so I don't think it's helping as of yet. Another part of this puzzle is that during the last 3 weeks that this has been going on I should have gotten my period and I didn't, so it is about 2 weeks late. I have never skipped periods before except for 3 times and I have 3 daughters! I am definitely not pregnant, but I can't somehow worry that this is all tied together. Could it be that the uti that I had at the beginning of this made this all happen?? I am just so tired and stressed from this. The urologist wants me to call him in a week to let him know how I'm doing and if the medicine is working. I. The meantime, I made an appt with my gyn this Monday.
The following user gives a hug of support to RaeP: lujimar (11-18-2012)
I had a 13 hours of flight on the 30th of October. I was scared, had my cranberry powder ready (cycscontrol) and i had the discomfort but not to bad. And for almost a week i was in heaven. I had started to feel better even before the traveling by baking soda. So i had the courage to have some intimacy with my bf..we only tried!!! he didnt even enter bec i was a bit dry i guess due to stress if the pain will come or not...well yes the next day it was there(usually it's not there right after but maybe 5 hours later or the next day)..applied the baking soda and pre-seed lubricant (heard somewhere that it helps) then the pain went away..of course also took my cranberry powder. I was ok. Then i realized it didnt completely go away..and i tried intimacy again (i dont know why i did this..maybe because i felt that it was coming so i told myself i might as well try sex if the pain will be there regardless)...and yes the last one week was like close to hell...i had seen worse. if i didnt react on time, it would have been worse i KNOW!! Baking soda, pre-seed these didnt work. Again used Donaxyl vaginal tablets. Tonight will be my third night and I'm already feeling disease free...like the good old days, remember those times??? when you completely forget that you have a vagina or urethra down there except when you are peeing or when you are having sex im exactly back in my good days. But im not happy because this happened to me before...i had used the tablets and it was gone but a week later it was back with the milky discharge which doctors say nothing other than lactobalisilis.
Here is my theory: I think the urethral problem appears because of the the increased lactobasilis? does anyone know if that can cause irritation in urethra and bladder? Because i think if it doesnt get into the urethra, we wont have any problems. So although we believe we have a bladder problem, in fact we have a vaginal flora problem. This donaxyl table is supposed to kill the BV, any kind...and as u know, normally it kills your good bacteria as well and in some women it causes yeast infection. However for me, they actually give me a relief not a yeast infection. They give me a relief because they kills the good bacteria not because they kill the non-existing BV (that's what the cultures say, no BV). So for a while i feel good but again the good bacteria increases and im in HELL... is there a way to stop this stupid good bacteria? I think our body is attacking itself thinking there is a sickness in our vaginas. At some point, the antibiotics must have ruined our regular system..maybe we used the wrong antibiotics. i dont know i'm considering augmentine since i heard it helped some people with increased lactobolisis...however I'm trying to avoid it for a while since im scared to take any drugs.. i might also try ornidazol like BITERAL OR ORNISID, in case i have a secret BV. I'm considering this because the vaginal tablet that gives me comfort is also supposed to kill BV and other vaginal infections. What i dont understand is, how come Augmentine works for? whats the difference of it compared to other antibiotics we tried?
So sorry to hear you are still having problems. For me, I still use the baking soda weekly to keep the lactobacillus numbers down. That irritated urethra feeling always comes back though and reminds me it's time for another bath. It never completely goes away, I just manage it the best I can with baking soda baths. I'm convinced that the lactobacillus just grows out of control on the outside & opening to the urethra & this is what causes the irritation & feeling of constantly needing to pee. Baking soda baths always improve my condition, but like I said, I have to keep taking them.
I also think that antibiotics are what caused me to have this imbalance of vaginal flora in the first place. So now I try to avoid antibiotics at all costs. Maybe you just need more baking soda baths? Try them daily, or 2 times a day if you can find the time. 15-20 minutes each time & make sure you get a lot of baking soda "up there". This is just my advice though, after dealing with this for over 4 years now. If you do try more antibiotics, please make sure to let us know if they work! Good luck.
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Originally Posted by lujimar
Hello everyone,
I had a 13 hours of flight on the 30th of October. I was scared, had my cranberry powder ready (cycscontrol) and i had the discomfort but not to bad. And for almost a week i was in heaven. I had started to feel better even before the traveling by baking soda. So i had the courage to have some intimacy with my bf..we only tried!!! he didnt even enter bec i was a bit dry i guess due to stress if the pain will come or not...well yes the next day it was there(usually it's not there right after but maybe 5 hours later or the next day)..applied the baking soda and pre-seed lubricant (heard somewhere that it helps) then the pain went away..of course also took my cranberry powder. I was ok. Then i realized it didnt completely go away..and i tried intimacy again (i dont know why i did this..maybe because i felt that it was coming so i told myself i might as well try sex if the pain will be there regardless)...and yes the last one week was like close to hell...i had seen worse. if i didnt react on time, it would have been worse i KNOW!! Baking soda, pre-seed these didnt work. Again used Donaxyl vaginal tablets. Tonight will be my third night and I'm already feeling disease free...like the good old days, remember those times??? when you completely forget that you have a vagina or urethra down there except when you are peeing or when you are having sex im exactly back in my good days. But im not happy because this happened to me before...i had used the tablets and it was gone but a week later it was back with the milky discharge which doctors say nothing other than lactobalisilis.
Here is my theory: I think the urethral problem appears because of the the increased lactobasilis? does anyone know if that can cause irritation in urethra and bladder? Because i think if it doesnt get into the urethra, we wont have any problems. So although we believe we have a bladder problem, in fact we have a vaginal flora problem. This donaxyl table is supposed to kill the BV, any kind...and as u know, normally it kills your good bacteria as well and in some women it causes yeast infection. However for me, they actually give me a relief not a yeast infection. They give me a relief because they kills the good bacteria not because they kill the non-existing BV (that's what the cultures say, no BV). So for a while i feel good but again the good bacteria increases and im in HELL... is there a way to stop this stupid good bacteria? I think our body is attacking itself thinking there is a sickness in our vaginas. At some point, the antibiotics must have ruined our regular system..maybe we used the wrong antibiotics. i dont know i'm considering augmentine since i heard it helped some people with increased lactobolisis...however I'm trying to avoid it for a while since im scared to take any drugs.. i might also try ornidazol like BITERAL OR ORNISID, in case i have a secret BV. I'm considering this because the vaginal tablet that gives me comfort is also supposed to kill BV and other vaginal infections. What i dont understand is, how come Augmentine works for? whats the difference of it compared to other antibiotics we tried?
Well, i changed my mind. Dont have the courage to try the augmentine. The donaxyl tablets are done a few days ago. The last day i started to notice that my milky white discharge turned into a bit greenish yellow and it's not liquid anymore but instead it's like a gel...hmm..i dont want to disgust anyone but like a big buggy. anyway... the normal irritation is gone except when this stuff is trying to get out of my vagina. however the opening is very red and it burns when this gely stuff is trying to come out. Maybe the medicine is cleaning. All i know is im tired of this and it's really crushing my confidence as a woman..i totally feel like disabled. the vagina is not in use but it gives pain..then maybe i should get rid of it, at least i wouldnt feel any pain. I'm certain that the vaginal flora is irritating my urethra and i dont have any problems with my bladder.
I will also try a natural remedy. It's something i did before the last time i felt disease free. I totally forgot about it but maybe it had an effect on me when i used it with baking soda. i had used the onion cleanse. It's supposed to get rid of any kind of BV in vagina so maybe it can cure CV as well. You need to buy normal or small size onions (only the ones with light brown skin, not red, not white) and then cut the onion into 4. Boil these in one and a half glass of good water (not tap) for 5 minutes. You can boil the water in a kettle and then pour it in a pan with onions and boil. Then let is cool. Drink it on an empty stomach. You can drink it warm or cold. However it has to be FRESH daily. You do this in the morning and at night. for the ones who cant do this in the morning then before the meal at night and before going to bed. Try to do this 10 days after the last day of your period for 15days. dont do it while u r on your period. it's supposed to cure POC as well.Then repeat a one week session the next month. It's supposed to reset the vaginal flora. This is not a medical advice, im just sharing my own experience. i didnt have any side effect s but this doesnt mean it will be the same with you. I would recommend stop doing baking soda and just do this to see if it's working.
I'm having a bad day today.. it's a bit painful and sore down there.
The following user gives a hug of support to lujimar: kris447 (11-26-2012)
I have never heard of the onion cleanse... thanks for the info! I'm sorry to hear you're having a bad day. I hope you can find something that helps you feel better soon.
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Originally Posted by lujimar
Hello Kristy,
Well, i changed my mind. Dont have the courage to try the augmentine. The donaxyl tablets are done a few days ago. The last day i started to notice that my milky white discharge turned into a bit greenish yellow and it's not liquid anymore but instead it's like a gel...hmm..i dont want to disgust anyone but like a big buggy. anyway... the normal irritation is gone except when this stuff is trying to get out of my vagina. however the opening is very red and it burns when this gely stuff is trying to come out. Maybe the medicine is cleaning. All i know is im tired of this and it's really crushing my confidence as a woman..i totally feel like disabled. the vagina is not in use but it gives pain..then maybe i should get rid of it, at least i wouldnt feel any pain. I'm certain that the vaginal flora is irritating my urethra and i dont have any problems with my bladder.
I will also try a natural remedy. It's something i did before the last time i felt disease free. I totally forgot about it but maybe it had an effect on me when i used it with baking soda. i had used the onion cleanse. It's supposed to get rid of any kind of BV in vagina so maybe it can cure CV as well. You need to buy normal or small size onions (only the ones with light brown skin, not red, not white) and then cut the onion into 4. Boil these in one and a half glass of good water (not tap) for 5 minutes. You can boil the water in a kettle and then pour it in a pan with onions and boil. Then let is cool. Drink it on an empty stomach. You can drink it warm or cold. However it has to be FRESH daily. You do this in the morning and at night. for the ones who cant do this in the morning then before the meal at night and before going to bed. Try to do this 10 days after the last day of your period for 15days. dont do it while u r on your period. it's supposed to cure POC as well.Then repeat a one week session the next month. It's supposed to reset the vaginal flora. This is not a medical advice, im just sharing my own experience. i didnt have any side effect s but this doesnt mean it will be the same with you. I would recommend stop doing baking soda and just do this to see if it's working.
I'm having a bad day today.. it's a bit painful and sore down there.
I suffer from IC.And it sucks,I hate going places,cause im scared i will have to pee.I also get pain in lower back and were the bladder is. Im on meds for it,but it only helps a little.I wish the best of luck to you and everyone else.
Hello teacup and kristy, i did some terrible things. After the donaxyl tablets i had a greenish yellow jelly like discharge as i told in my previous post. then i thought it's maybe yeast (i know doesnt make any sense) so i used a tablet for yeast called gyno-lomexin...and yes, this got rid of that greenish yellow..and i just had white clumps for a week (probably the medicine was cleaning)...anyway towards the end, i was red down there and the irritation started to show its ugly face again. Since this yeast infection tablet helped i thought maybe i have yeast infection and tried YOGHURT...OH MY GOD!!! DONT EVER USE IT...and it was home made just as my homeopathic doctor told. i remember years ago having an itchy yeast and i had used yoghurt which has helped a lot but this time I WAS BURNING, IT WAS LIKE THE TERRIBLE FLARE i've ever had. i couldnt even function. Anyway, immediately thought about baking soda..and guess what?? immediate comfort the next day even better. I'm all confused. the tablets seemed working but then once they are done the discomfort is back. I didnt have time to do the onion remedy since i'm terribly busy with work..but i will give it a try. Teacup, how is it going with the cream?
it really sounds to me like you should stick with the baking soda. if applying yogurt (which is filled with lactobacillus) made things worse & baking soda makes it better, it really sounds like you have too much lactobacillus to me. i also used to think i had constant yeast infections & i would use the yeast infection treatment cream all the time. at first i think it just kills off everything down there so you get a bit of relief (same as when you start a new antibiotic). but then i think once you use it for a while the lactobacillus starts to come back and take over and i would always end up feeling worse than before.
i'll be interested to hear about the onion treatment if you give it a try, so please let me know. goodluck, and stay away from that yogurt!
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Originally Posted by lujimar
Hello teacup and kristy, i did some terrible things. After the donaxyl tablets i had a greenish yellow jelly like discharge as i told in my previous post. then i thought it's maybe yeast (i know doesnt make any sense) so i used a tablet for yeast called gyno-lomexin...and yes, this got rid of that greenish yellow..and i just had white clumps for a week (probably the medicine was cleaning)...anyway towards the end, i was red down there and the irritation started to show its ugly face again. Since this yeast infection tablet helped i thought maybe i have yeast infection and tried YOGHURT...OH MY GOD!!! DONT EVER USE IT...and it was home made just as my homeopathic doctor told. i remember years ago having an itchy yeast and i had used yoghurt which has helped a lot but this time I WAS BURNING, IT WAS LIKE THE TERRIBLE FLARE i've ever had. i couldnt even function. Anyway, immediately thought about baking soda..and guess what?? immediate comfort the next day even better. I'm all confused. the tablets seemed working but then once they are done the discomfort is back. I didnt have time to do the onion remedy since i'm terribly busy with work..but i will give it a try. Teacup, how is it going with the cream?
anyway...my vaginal cultures show a lot of lactobilissis. I'm curios, how are you doing? Did you solve your problem? and there are 2 sicknesses, the one you are talking about CV and also lactobolissis. Very hard to differentiate. Does the baking soda help?
)) and the discharge seems to disappear. I told my gyno about this and she said this might be it, too much good bacteria and she told me to wash with apple vinegar (??!!) isnt this supposed to create good bacteria and kill the yeast? im confused, can we also use apple vinegar?
equalinium Chloride...i guess it's good for gram negative and positive bacterias, yeast and trischomonas (although i am negative for all). i searched it, here it is:Fluomizin - Flu omizin is used for the treatment of vaginal infections. It exerts its action locally within the vagina. Marked relief with regard to discharge and inflammation generally occurs within 24-72 hrs. Indications: vaginal infections 
