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Old 04-16-2001, 09:16 PM   #1
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Some encouraging words.....

I happened across this discussion while looking up info on diet issues and found it very encouraging. I couldn't have said it better myself. To give credit where it is due, I copied this from a site called "holdthetoast".

Here is what the lady had to say:

Here's what happened to me. In February '95, I was trying to lose weight for my wedding. Despite active work (I'm a massage therapist by trade) and a lowfat, high carb diet, I had gotten up to 175 at 5'2". I signed up at the local municipal fitness center and started doing 4 - 5 step aerobics classes a week. I cut back more on my fat, and substituted grains for meat a lot. (You know the drill -- cutting up one lowfat turkey smoked sausage in a huge casserole of potatoes, with lowfat cheese sauce made from cottage cheese and fat free cheese powder; eating pasta with fat free sauce for dinner three nights a week; using that slimy reconstituted butter powder on my veggies; buying lowfat everything; all that stuff.)
And I didn't lose an ounce. Oh, everything got firmer and higher, I looked a little better, and I felt a little better -- I was fit, but fit and fat. I went to my wedding looking like a pretty little pale pink baby blimp, as you can see from the picture. I bought new shorts to go on my honeymoon because all my old shorts were too small.
Well, by Labor Day, three months later, I had gained another ten pounds. My new shorts were too small, and I was beginning to panic. Especially since my blood pressure was also up -- borderline high for the first time in my life.
But I had been reading an old book on nutrition, one that I got at a used book sale. It was by a fella named Gaylord Hauser, one of the very first people to preach nutrition in this country -- he worked with the old film studios, with stars like Greta Garbo, and with royalty. And back in 1952, Gaylord Hauser was saying something that was the exact opposite of what we have been told for the past 20 years: he said that obesity didn't have anything to do with overeating. He said that obesity was a carbohydrate intolerance disease.
I thought to myself, "Heck, nothing else is working! What do I have to lose?" I stopped eating high carbohydrate foods -- that's starches and sugars -- and two days later my shorts were loose. That was it!! I cut back even further on carbs, and started to read everything I could find on low carb dieting.
Well!! In two and a half weeks, I had lost ten pounds -- eating eggs, meat, cheese, sour cream, real mayonaise, and nuts.
Sounds insane, doesn't it?
But that wasn't all!! I also had discovered that I felt hugely better on a low carb diet -- my energy level was higher, and much more constant. I felt oddly clearheaded, and more positive, more emotionally resiliant. Little things just didn't bug me anymore, and even big things were easier to shake off.
Hunger Gone!
Best of all, I wasn't hungry all the time any more!
I had always been hungry before -- I would have that nice, "healthy" breakfast of whole grain cereal and skim milk, and by an hour and a half later, I could have eaten the carpet, I was so hungry! I'm not talking "head hungry" -- I mean real, empty, growling stomach, getting tired hungry. I had wondered, sometimes, what was wrong with me, that I was hungry all the time. I had read -- and maybe you have too -- that if I ate a "healthy diet" -- low fat and high carb -- and "listened to my body", it would know how much food it needed. Unfortunately, it seemed to need enough for an entire army division!!
But on low carb, all of a sudden, I had a "normal" appetite. I could eat a cheese omelet for breakfast, and not be hungry again until 2 in the afternoon. It was astonishing!
I even forgot to eat once or twice! My husband is a skinny thing with a light appetite, and he sometimes forgets to eat. I could hardly believe that! I would say, "What, you forget to breathe, too?" But now, I would come home planning to cook supper, sit down to check my email, and look up two hours later, saying, "Oh, yeah, I was supposed to cook..." For the first time in my life, I just wasn't emotionally involved with food.
I'd even stop eating before I was done, sometimes!! That was astounding, too. I'm a charter member of the Clean Plate Club. If it's on that plate, it's MINE, and I'm gonna eat it. But all of a sudden, I'd be too full to finish sometimes, and push my plate away.
Well, I continued with the diet, and I continued to lose weight, and to feel better. Eventually, I lost 40 lbs. -- and lost most of that without exercise. I'm not knocking exercise. I do work out, and think it's very important. But I think it's also important to note that I did 4-5 step classes a week without losing an OUNCE on my low fat diet -- but lost 35 lbs on low carb before I ever started working out again.
Am I a skinny girl now? No, I'm not. Last time I was tested, my bodyfat was at 26%, which is okay, but not skinny-skinny. It is, however, considerably better than the 33% bodyfat which is average for women my age. More important, the weight is staying off. I'd rather lose 40 lbs and keep it off, than lose 60 lbs and gain it back. And I bet you feel the same!
Just as important, I've never felt better in my life! I have more energy at 40 than I did at fifteen! Furthermore, my bloodwork -- my cholesterol, blood pressure, all that jazz -- are fantastic!! And heart disease runs in my family. (For those who want to know, at last testing, my cholesterol was 196, my triglycerides 80. My HDL -- good cholesterol, was a magnificent 69, and my cholesterol/HDL ratio -- supposed to be the most important thing -- was 2.8. Anything under 4, so I'm told, is excellent.)
Of course, I've told a lot of friends and family about this approach to eating. My sister lost 30 lbs, and had to have all her clothes taken in. As a bonus, her asthma improved! My friend Leslie lost twenty pounds using just some of the low carb principles I taught her. One day at the drug store, I spotted a total stranger about to buy Slim Fast, and was pushy enough to tell him my story. When I ran into him a year later, he'd lost 70 pounds, and gone off his diabetes medication!!
I'm totally sold on low carb dieting -- and convinced that, for many people, low fat/high carb is worse than no diet at all. In fact it's gotten to the point that when I see people in the grocery store with that cart full of low fat fake food, I want to run up to them and yell, "Don't do it, buddy! It's a lie, it's all a lie!" And that's why I've put together this program. This has changed my life so much, I just have to tell people about it.
Isn't this a Fad Diet??
"That's just a fad diet!" That's the accusation people throw at low carb dieting. But let me ask those of you who are my age -- forty -- or older, a question: Don't you remember that when we were kids, everyone knew that if you wanted to lose weight, you gave up potatoes and spaghetti?
When I discovered that low carb was working beautifully for me, I read everything I could get my hands on about this subject: Healthy for Life, and The Carbohydrate Addict's Diet, both by Drs. Richard and Rachael Heller, researchers at Mt. Sinai Hospital; The Zone, by Barry Sears, Protein Power, by Drs. Michael and Mary Dan Eades, who have treated thousands of people for obesity at their clinic in Little Rock, and the well-known Dr. Atkins' New Diet Revolution. I came to understand the biochemical principles that make this diet work.
Maybe more interestingly, I found many old nutrition texts advocating low carb. For instance, Calories Don't Count, by Dr. Herman Taller, from 1962, was fascinating. Dr. Taller got interested in low carb when one of his colleagues at the hospital where he worked suggested he try drinking polyunsaturated oil to lower his cholesterol. He started dutifully gulping six ounces a day of vegetable oil. Not only did his cholesterol drop -- so did his weight!! And he'd added an extra 1600 calories a day of pure fat! Where does that fit into a low fat diet?!
I found Eat Fat and Grow Slim, by Dr. Richard Mackarness, with a preface by the wife of polar explorer Vilhjalmur Stefansson. Back in the twenties, Stefansson saw the Eskimo eating nothing but meat and fat, and thriving on it. He decided to see if a "civilised" man could do the same. He lived on nothing but fresh meat and water for a year, while being monitored by physicians at Bellevue hospital. Not only did he not come down with scurvy or beri-beri, he thrived. He came out of the experiment several pounds lighter, and with lower cholesterol, which was the only measure of cardiovascular fitness they had back then. Later in life, in 1955, having grown a middle-aged paunch and suffering from a cerebral thrombosis, or blood clot, he went back on his Stone Age Diet, as he called it, with his wife joining him this time. The typical dinner in the Stefansson household, according to Mrs. Stefansson, was a steak and a cup of coffee, and occasionally a half a grapefruit for dessert. They both lost weight. According to his wife, Stefansson had been slightly irritable and depressed, but became his old ebullient, optimistic self again -- and as a little, added bonus, his arthritis cleared up!
I even found an old diet book when I went to Vermont to help my mother settle her Aunt Betty's estate. We were clearing out her house when I found Eat and Grow Thin -- a diet book from 1914, outlining -- you guessed it -- a low carbohydrate program.
In fact, I learned that the very first mass-market diet book in the English language was published in 1852, and it was a low carbohydrate diet. It was written by an Englishman named William Banting. How fat was William Banting? ("How fat was he?!" I hear you cry.), He was so fat he had to walk down stairs backward, or he'd fall over. Doctors would tell him to eat less, and he'd try, but he'd be so awfully hungry that he just couldn't stick to it. (Sound familiar?) Then the doctors suggested exercise, so he went out and rowed on the Thames River every day -- and it would make him so hungry, he'd eat more and not lose weight. (Do you know this story?)
Finally, Banting went to a doctor because he was going deaf. The doctor looked in Banting's ears, and discovered that Banting was going deaf because he had fat pressing on his eardrums! The doctor put Banting on a lowcarb diet, and it worked! Banting was so pleased that he wrote a volume called Banting's Letter on Corpulence, and spent the money to publish it himself. It was a big success, and for a while in London in Victorian times, "banting" was the popular term for "dieting". Banting lived into his eighties, never regaining the weight.
What all of this told me is that, historically speaking, low carbohydrate is anything but a fad diet. In retrospect, I should have known this. When I first got interested in nutrition, twenty years ago, I read Adelle Davis, who stressed the importance of protein and essential fats, and said that overweight people should avoid most carbohydrates, especially white flour and sugar. I also read Psychodietetics, by Cheraskin and Ringsdorf, who linked mental instability to sugar and other refined carbohydrates.
I gave up white flour and sugar completely, felt hugely better, and lost weight like crazy. How I let myself be convinced a decade later that a big plate of white flour pasta is health food, I'll never know, except... It's so seductive, isn't it? I don't know about you, but I wanted to believe. It was like telling an alcoholic that it was healthy to have a six pack and a shot for dinner, or giving Dracula the key to the blood bank.
Now I know better. I know that a low carbohydrate diet is medically sound, and has withstood the test of time. And you'd have to pry my jaws open with a crowbar to get me to eat a high carb meal again.
Another thing that convinces me that a low carbohydrate diet isn't "fad dieting": It practically forces you to eat real food, with real nutritional value, rather than processed, chemical junk, or nutritionless, refined white flour products and sugary, ultra-processed cereals. Have you looked at the ingredients on some of those low fat products? They don't come from a farm, they come from a lab! How can anything that has to be made in a factory be essential -- or even beneficial -- to human nutrition? It just doesn't make sense.
Let me give you an example. Here is a list of the ingredients in Paul Newman's Own Salad Dressing, Original Recipe. This is a dressing you may have been avoiding, after all, it has 16 grams of fat in a serving. However, it only has one gram of carbohydrate. Here's what's in it:
Olive oil, vegetable oil (soybean and/or canola oil), water, red wine vinegar, onion, spices, salt, garlic, lemon juice, distilled vinegar.
Sounds like food to me! You could whip this up in your own kitchen, if you wanted to. Paul started out making it in his basement.
Now, for contrast, here is the list of the ingredients in one of the most popular fat-free Ranch Dressings on the market (which, by the way, has 11 grams of carbohydrate per serving):
Water, corn syrup, cultured lowfat buttermilk (cultured lowfat milk), vinegar, sugar, cellulose gel, potato maltodextrin, xanthan gum with potassium sorbate, calcium sodium EDTA and sorbic acid as preservatives, propylene glycol alginate, phosporic acid, artificial color, natural flavor, monosodium glutamate, parsley, green onions, DL tocopherol acetate, spice, polysorbate 60, yellow #5.
What the heck is that? I'm not sure what propylene glycol alginate is, but it sounds suspiciously like anti-freeze to me! Are we really supposed to believe that spicy corn syrup with unpronounceable chemicals is a wiser choice than olive oil and vinegar? You tell me which sounds like some bizarre fad!
Here's another example. A famous company makes both regular grated parmesan cheese and fat-free fake parmesan cheese. Here's what's in the real stuff:
Grated Parmesan cheese (part skim milk, cheese culture, salt, enzymes), cellulose powder, potassium sorbate to protect flavor.
Okay, I'd rather they left out the preservative, but this is basically real food. (If you're curious, cellulose powder is just fiber; it's used to prevent caking.) But dig what's in the fat-free stuff:
Grated cheeses (parmesan and romano from cow's milk) (part skim milk, cheese culture, salt, enzymes) starch, rice flour, enriched flour (durum wheat flour, thiamine mononitrate, riboflavin, niacin, ferrous sulfate) water, malto-dextrin, cellulose powder, salt, and less than 2% whey, buttermilk, potassium sorbate as a preservative, glycerin, gum arabic, sodium phosphate, artificial color.
In other words, they've diluted the real, nutritious cheese with a bunch of refined starch and chemicals. Again, which sounds more like a fad food to you?
On a low carb diet, we eat real food, the food that mankind has survived on for centuries: meat, poultry, fish, cheese, eggs, vegetables of almost every sort, nuts, seeds, olives, fresh natural oils and real butter. How anyone who has been eating low fat processed cold cereal and white flour bagels and low-fat, sugar-filled cookies and strange, chemical salad dressings could think of these natural low carb foods as nutritional step down is beyond me.

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Old 04-16-2001, 10:03 PM   #2
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Re: Some encouraging words.....

Hi Alan,

Not trying to rain on your parade...but I think you neglected to mention something. This excerpt is from a website that is SELLING low carb diet plans. To your credit, you did list the website, sort of. That kind of tints the testimony. I'm not saying that it totally nullifies the writers opinions...but it does kind of slant it a bit.

Just thought I would mention it.

God Bless!

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Old 04-17-2001, 12:18 AM   #3
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Re: Some encouraging words.....

I would consider the testimony of anyone who made the claim that * "Obesity doesn't have anything to do with overeating" * to be EXTREMELY suspect.

Go back and read it again. It actually says that.

Old 04-17-2001, 03:22 AM   #4
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Re: Some encouraging words.....

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by richardthelionhearted:
<B>I would consider the testimony of anyone who made the claim that * "Obesity doesn't have anything to do with overeating" * to be EXTREMELY suspect.

Go back and read it again. It actually says that. </B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And I agree with it for the most part. I am thoroughly convinced that for the majority of people, obesity is caused by the excess consumption of carbohydrates, not excessive total caloric intake, i.e. overeating.

If obesity and overeating are so closely tied together, how can you explain two people of different genetics, both eat similar amounts, yet one gets fat, and the other stays thin. We've all seen this. I've been there (I was the fat one). Or the obese person that is counting calories and maintianing 1200 or so calories per day yet fails to drop that excess fat. We've seen this, many of us have been there. This can in no way be termed overeating since it is about half of what is considered normal dietary intake for maintenance.

Boy, if you want to stir up a hornets nest, all you have to do is mention LOW CARB and the naysayers jump on it.


Old 04-17-2001, 04:09 AM   #5
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Re: Some encouraging words.....

Well Alan, you have to admit, it's a pretty revolutionary concept that you don't get fat from eating too much.

Right along the lines of "cigarettes don't cause cancer".

Under your theory, I should be able to go back to a 6,000 calorie a day diet and not gain weight as long as I don't eat carbs, right?

I'll pass on that one.

Old 04-17-2001, 06:26 AM   #6
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by richardthelionhearted:
[B]Under your theory, I should be able to go back to a 6,000 calorie a day diet and not gain weight as long as I don't eat carbs, right? B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Right. That's what I've been saying. You may not necessarily lose any weight, but you won't gain any fat if your insulin levels are kept very low which is what avoiding the carbohydrates does for you.


Old 04-17-2001, 01:54 PM   #7
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I will guarantee you if you manage to eat 6,000 calories on a high protein diet everyday you will very soon loose a lot of weight, 1) You will be forceably submitted to as hospital or 2) you will be dead! I guarantee this will happen in a years time. The ketosis will be so bad

And this is why the 6,000 cal of protein will kill you, ( I finally found out about ketosis!)

diabetic ketoacidosis
A severe metabolic derangement that occurs in the absence of insulin. Insulin allows the body to absorb glucose into cells for energy production. In the absence of insulin, the body starts to break down fats for fuel. A metabolic byproduct of fat metabolism is referred to as a ketone. The presence of elevated blood ketones in this setting is known as diabetic ketoacidosis. In extreme, untreated cases, this can lead to coma and death.

or if that wasnt clear enough..

A byproduct of fat metabolism. An overabundance of ketones in the bloodstream is seen in a severe metabolic derangement known as diabetic ketoacidosis.

Why dont you consider liposuction? Its cheaper and healthier..

Old 04-18-2001, 02:41 AM   #8
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You are right, I have no experience with low carb diets, why would I? I am having good results with eating a normal diet but with just taking away the things I know that have caused the problems. By the time I get down to my goal weight I will have changed my habits as well. Then I just have to learn how to eat to maintain. Its pretty basic. I dont agree with the low carb diet, but it was fun discussing it! Good luck to you with your weight loss or maintenance of..

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I just have to add my two cents about this whole low carb thing, i'ts been driving me up the wall thinking about it:

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Old 04-19-2001, 01:49 PM   #10
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Re: Some encouraging words.....

I would just like to say, sing it brother Alan! I was going to respond to a lot of these posts, but I think you explained it extremely well. To all of the "normal" eaters... those of us on the low carb diet are on this diet because it is what works for us. I did A LOT of research before committing to it. Personally, I have more energy and sleep alot better at night since being on it. No one is trying to force anyone into a diet they don't want to be in. When low carbers post info, it is just that. Information as another option for dieting. I don't understand why everyone gets there panties in a wad every time low carb diets are mentioned. The board is about posting information and opinions, not because low carbers are trying to brainwash everyone into our way of thinking. By the way.... There is a thing called the food chain. Certain animals were evolved onto this planet to partially be a food source. See it on the Discovery channel all the time. The cheetah catching it's prey and what not. Humans aren't the only evil meat eaters out there &lt; that was a joke&gt;

Old 04-23-2001, 12:27 PM   #11
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Re: Some encouraging words.....

I'm not going to get into the debate over whether or not the Atkins (or similar) diet is good or bad for you, nor will I lecture anyone on whether or not they should become a vegetarian.

All I want to say, is that in my opinion, the healthiest and best way to lose weight is to eat a wide variety of foods..fruits, veggies, protein (whether that be chicken, fish, meat or tofu is your choice)dairy and starches...all in moderation. Drink lots of water and exercise.

There are no "fads" involved, and you'll feel better and lose weight.

Just my 2 cents!

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I had to say something. I tried the adkins diet. It gav me terrible headaches and i felt very *****y. I went to the dr. He told me protein diets work better for men than women because men hav more muscle and their bodies can handle it better. Than i went to a dietican she told me the same thing, and my headaches were caused by too low of blood sugar which is dangerous.

Old 04-23-2001, 08:27 PM   #13
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One should not eat NO carbs, just not processed simple carbs.
Certainly whole foods, that have not been processed, won't hurt us in the weight department...that is what Arkie has been saying, and I lose two pounds a week when doing this, same (low) activity.

Try & see how much whole grain bread or brown rice you can eat at a time...not much, I assure you, and it is good for us.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by friend:
<B>Try & see how much whole grain bread or brown rice you can eat at a time...not much, I assure you, and it is good for us.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, I'm not too sure about them being good for us, but they are marginally better than the highly processed counterparts. I looked at a bag of natural brown rice at the grocery the other day. It contained 33 grams of carbohydrate (starch) and just 2 grams of fiber in just a single 1/4 cup serving. That's a lot of carbs that will turn to sugar in your digestive system and not very much fiber. The same thing goes for whole grain bread. You will be hard pressed to find some that has less than 10-12 grams of carbs per slice or more than 1-3 grams of fiber. Plus, I've yet to find any that is not made with partially hydrogenated vegetable oils (atherosclerosis and cancer concerns with the trans fatty acids found in these synthetic saturated fats). If you look at a bag of stone ground whole wheat flour, it will typically contain 22 or so grams of carbohydrate and 3 or so grams of fiber per serving (&lt; 1/4 cup). A bag of bleached white flour contains about 23 grams of carbohydrate and 1 gram of fiber per serving. Not much difference between the two. If you are looking to decrease your intake of carbohydrates and increase your intake of fiber, grains are best avoided. Eat your above ground vegetables instead. If you don't show any signs of insulin resistance or gluten intolerance, then these whole grains can probably be eaten in small quantities without too much concern.


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There is a reason they have you check your urine with ketone sticks.

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