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Old 11-08-2008, 06:46 PM   #1
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PMS... please help.

Hey ladies,

I have a major issue on my hands. For the past 2 years or so, around 10 days before my period, i experience not your ordinary blues from PMS, but something rather extreme and painful.

I have major suicidal thoughts, severe depression, anxiety and extreme tiredness to a point where i cant leave my bed.

Finally i went to see my GP who advised me to see an endo after he found that my LH levels were too high.
I saw her the other day and she said that my blood work looked fine
( Hmmmmm ) and that she doesnt specialise in PMS issues and referred me to see a gyno instead.

Now are they just going to give me some anti depressants and call it a day, or will they actually look into this and possibly help me out hormonally?
Im really not a fan of any anti depressants as i am only like this once a month.

The feeling seems to go away after my period starts, but i dread this every month and i have a terrible fear that one day i will lose control and do something so regretful.

I am in my twenties if that information helps, and i never felt this before when it came to my period, but i honestly dont know what to do anymore.

I am pre menstral now.

Your help will be greatly appreciated.

Elle

 
Old 11-08-2008, 08:03 PM   #2
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Re: PMS and Suicide...please help.

It is PMDD a more severe form of PMS. I know how scary it is. I have it AND I have an ongoing pain issue I am dealing with so I have been having a really hard time not harming myself. The standard treatment seems to be antidepressants and birth control pills as far as I have seen. I'm not on anything yet and not sure what I am going to choose to do. I'm sorry you are going through this and I hope you find someone who is kind and caring and will help you. Try to find a though to keep you grounded like that you know it is hormonal and it will be changing soon and oyu will feel better again, anything that helps you stay safe till you get help. {{{(((HUGS)))}}}

 
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Old 11-08-2008, 09:36 PM   #3
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Re: PMS and Suicide...please help.

I would suggest you get a referral to a psychiatrist that specializes in hormonal female problems...this is not an uncommon problem and I am sorry you have to deal with it at such young age. Your two doctors don't seem to have a clue how to treat your monthly suicidal thoughts so you need to get yourself in the mental health system...do it before you get married and start a family you will be very glad you did something now. take care.

 
Old 11-08-2008, 11:18 PM   #4
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Re: PMS and Suicide...please help.

Ladies that you very much for you replies. It means a lot to know im not alone on this one.

Speaking of getting married, i am getting married next yr and my boyfriend at present is unsure of what to do with me. He has to deal with a lot of abuse at that time, and for the life of me i cant seem to control my temper, if its not that time of the month, i am calm and collected, then i am a different person.

I had no idea that there were psychiatric doctors who specialise in hormones, that sounds like what i need right now. These docs that im seeing are hopeless.

I am afraid and all i do is cry and cry.

 
Old 02-24-2009, 03:31 AM   #5
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wow reading this made me realize I am not the only one. I have always gotten some form of pms but I am in my 40's and it has gotten progressively worse. I am sure I would not do anything crazy but this thought came into my head and it was like I was on the bus playing the thought that I ended it all and thinking about reactions of my family and friends-awful. Then I went about my business as usual. I have been getting the worse mood swings and I feel hate and annoyed by everyone. I literally can ruin my relationships with people during this time then a minute later I am apologizing like an idiot. God this is awful I want to scream leave me alone. I look at my face in a reflection and I look like a demon-angry, evil and ferocious. I hate me so much during this time and it is bad one month and the other month I am fine-I really notice my diet plays a part in this too. I just want to walk around the neighborhood and give everyone the bird-ughhh how good that would feel-but I may get jumped so that is not an option-but I can fantasize about it can't I? uggggh.

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Old 02-26-2009, 10:34 PM   #6
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Re: PMS and Suicide...please help.

Hi ladies, well i don't get such extreme PMS issues, i might get a tad weepy or more emotional about a week before my period. The reason i wanted to reply is that i've been on a long journey with my own health due to "inept" doctors in the system.

My hormones were a mess back in 2000, leading into 2001 (where they got worse). I was told there was nothing wrong with me and it was just stress, take antidepressants, go on birth control, change birth control, you'll be fine. I gave up on doctors and spent the next few years ignoring my predicament.

In 2008 i went to a doctor who specialised in hair loss as i'd been shedding abnormal amounts of hair since 2001. Amazingly enough i'd found a doctor who looked outside the square. He knew what tests to order and where i should be on those tests. None of this carry on about being "in range". He is the one who discovered that i'd had a thyroid problem all along, i was also anemic, low in various nutrients and my hormones were a mess.

He refered me to my now thyroid doctor who looked into everything and ordered a saliva hormone panel. Saliva testing is more accurate than blood tests. Anyway, i came up as having excess estrogen (not sky high excess, but no excess of estrogen is good, it's all bad), my progesterone was low, testosterone high.

Now that time has passed and i've spent more time with this new doctor and done a heap of research and learnt more from a naturopath who i also see for my hormones, i've learnt that estrogen is such a BIG culprit, bigger than the medical proffession will allow us to know. They keep pushing birth control at us as the miracle cure for all things hormonal. If that doesn't work then surely you must be depressed and we'll give you some more drugs. That just doesn't work and only turns a bad problem into something worse.

What i would advise is to find a good hormonal doctor to assess your hormone situation. Obviously from ovulation till your period your hormones are going haywire. All our hormones change at this time, but we're all individual and you can't do what another is doing as it might not suit you. If you are on the pill it could be contributing to the situation. the pill may not be for you or you might need a different prescription and your doctor should be looking at the estrogen level in the brand of pill you are on and also looking at what your own estrogen levels are doing. this is why you can't always rely on a GP to do all this, but you might need a specialist.

The other thing is seeing a naturopath or a homeopath. this has been my saving grace period-wise up until i was diagnosed with my thyroid condition and began treatment. A naturopath or homeopath can put you on a herbal mix which you can take daily or in your case they may give you something to take leading up to your period or to take ovulation onwards.

It's good you have taken the first step in visiting a healthboard rather than letting this take over your life and doing harm to yourself. I truly hope you and others in your situation find help. I sat around too long and feel i should have done something far sooner, but i didn't know where to start. It shouldn't take years to get help. If your doctor blows you off or simply wants to stick you on antidepressants, don't do it. You don't need a bandaide fix, you need proper help.

I wish you the best

 
Old 03-07-2009, 08:13 AM   #7
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Re: PMS and Suicide...please help.

elle, Talk to your Dr about Depo Prevera, I also have bad pms and bleed so much that I need to use the highest absorption tampon and change it every 30 minutes, and a lot of cravings. I got the shot and at first I had my period for 6 weeks, and then had to be given a pill form of birth control and it stopped 3 days later. I cam to the conclusion I had such along period because it slowed my usually heavy period down. It really helped and now 4 months later I hardly have any pms symptoms except sore breasts and water retention, but I'll take that any day over what my period used to be. It is even said to help ease endometriosis. I hope this helps!

 
Old 03-11-2009, 04:27 AM   #8
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Re: PMS and Suicide...please help.

Depo shots can actually be very dangerous and it's not something you should go into without doing a lot of research as doctors wont tell you about the long term symptoms.

My cousin was on depo for a number of years. She got off it about 6 months ago and can't get her periods to start. The Depo shots also cause her to get something called osteopenia, which is the start of osteoperosis. Now that she's not having the Depo shots any longer her hair began falling out in masses and it's not stopping.

Coming off the normal birth control pill can affect some womens hormones, but Depo can be much worse and it will affect everyone differently. Another cousin of mine has been on it for a few years and her doctor would only give her the shots if she was definite that she was not going to have anymore children as this form of birth control can really mess up your hormones to the point you will have problems falling pregant if you wishes to at some later stage.

It's always best to find out what is the root cause of your problem and tackle that, rather than a bandaide solution. In my case i know my excess estrogen is what has cause the fibroid growth and thickening of the endometrial lining. The estrogen excess and the fibroid are causing my other period issues like heavy/irregular cycles and the pain.

PMS, cravings and fluid retention are classic estrogen/progestrone imbalance. Taking any form of birth control in a situation like this wont make the problem go away. It might lessen the heavyness of your cycle, but the hormonal imabalance is still there and possibly causing other side effects which can be more serious in the long term.

 
Old 03-12-2009, 08:02 AM   #9
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Re: PMS and Suicide...please help.

Actually it has taken care of the cravings, I still have some fluid retention but I just end up peeing a lot. The pms is also gone, and what a relief that is, and I don't want kids, and if my insurance allowed it I would have a hysterectomy. I do plan on asking my Dr about it anyway, it might be that my heavy period might fall under the guidelines. I will read up on the long term use just to be on the safe side, but so far it's nice to not have a period, excessive cravings and bad pms. Thanks for the information.

Oh and for the bone loss problem my Dr put me on prescription strength Vita men D and calcium pills.

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Old 03-18-2009, 11:25 PM   #10
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Re: PMS and Suicide...please help.

My Dr. tells me that saliva testing isn't acurate that blood test are!

Jill

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Originally Posted by Audrey-B View Post
Hi ladies, well i don't get such extreme PMS issues, i might get a tad weepy or more emotional about a week before my period. The reason i wanted to reply is that i've been on a long journey with my own health due to "inept" doctors in the system.

My hormones were a mess back in 2000, leading into 2001 (where they got worse). I was told there was nothing wrong with me and it was just stress, take antidepressants, go on birth control, change birth control, you'll be fine. I gave up on doctors and spent the next few years ignoring my predicament.

In 2008 i went to a doctor who specialised in hair loss as i'd been shedding abnormal amounts of hair since 2001. Amazingly enough i'd found a doctor who looked outside the square. He knew what tests to order and where i should be on those tests. None of this carry on about being "in range". He is the one who discovered that i'd had a thyroid problem all along, i was also anemic, low in various nutrients and my hormones were a mess.

He refered me to my now thyroid doctor who looked into everything and ordered a saliva hormone panel. Saliva testing is more accurate than blood tests. Anyway, i came up as having excess estrogen (not sky high excess, but no excess of estrogen is good, it's all bad), my progesterone was low, testosterone high.

Now that time has passed and i've spent more time with this new doctor and done a heap of research and learnt more from a naturopath who i also see for my hormones, i've learnt that estrogen is such a BIG culprit, bigger than the medical proffession will allow us to know. They keep pushing birth control at us as the miracle cure for all things hormonal. If that doesn't work then surely you must be depressed and we'll give you some more drugs. That just doesn't work and only turns a bad problem into something worse.

What i would advise is to find a good hormonal doctor to assess your hormone situation. Obviously from ovulation till your period your hormones are going haywire. All our hormones change at this time, but we're all individual and you can't do what another is doing as it might not suit you. If you are on the pill it could be contributing to the situation. the pill may not be for you or you might need a different prescription and your doctor should be looking at the estrogen level in the brand of pill you are on and also looking at what your own estrogen levels are doing. this is why you can't always rely on a GP to do all this, but you might need a specialist.

The other thing is seeing a naturopath or a homeopath. this has been my saving grace period-wise up until i was diagnosed with my thyroid condition and began treatment. A naturopath or homeopath can put you on a herbal mix which you can take daily or in your case they may give you something to take leading up to your period or to take ovulation onwards.

It's good you have taken the first step in visiting a healthboard rather than letting this take over your life and doing harm to yourself. I truly hope you and others in your situation find help. I sat around too long and feel i should have done something far sooner, but i didn't know where to start. It shouldn't take years to get help. If your doctor blows you off or simply wants to stick you on antidepressants, don't do it. You don't need a bandaide fix, you need proper help.

I wish you the best

 
Old 03-19-2009, 07:02 PM   #11
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Re: PMS... please help.

Thanks ladies for for your replies.

When my period hits, i am so calm and collected. I feel like my old self and nothing can get me down. However i dont know if this is normal, but 10 days after my period and i am a monster again! I cant control this feeling anymore.

Everyone tells me my hormones are fine and so is my thyroid. I went to see a Gyno and she placed me on anti depressants to take ONLY for 10 days during my bad days, but i have not taken them yet.

I seriously dont know who i am anymore. I really dont.

 
Old 03-19-2009, 07:40 PM   #12
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Re: PMS... please help.

Dr. Dean Adel, a famous physician on TV once gave the advice to take 1000mg of Calcium with Vitamin D/day. You have to take it 1-3 months before you see real results. For me, it was one month and I had no more moodiness, no more adema retention in my breasts, no more cramps, no more headaches, no more depression. Sometimes it hard to keep in a schedule to be good about taking them but for sure it worked like a miracle.

Then a few months ago Dr. Dean Adel is a host on KGO Radio AM said it is not good to take 1000mg/day of Calcium. I forget why. After having kids all those symptoms greatly reduces so I don't feel any real annoyances like I did prior to kids. I will never forget the affectiveness of taking Calcium.

You may like to research this or ask your Physician for their advice. I am not a pill popper and so when I moved by something working wonders I will let others know.

Best regards,

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Old 03-19-2009, 07:48 PM   #13
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Re: PMS... please help.

So does it ease off when you have kids? Because i thought that your hormones would be going CRAZY and it would be worse?

I only wonder because i saw a show on tv not long ago about a women who had a 2 yr old and she was CRAZY with PMS, in fact in she was diagnosed with PMDD.

Also is it bad to take those vitamins or not?

Thank you for your help!!!!

 
Old 03-22-2009, 02:30 PM   #14
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Re: PMS... please help.

Jill60 - i had always only ever had blood tests for hormones and was always told i'm fine, when i knew i wasn't fine. It was only when i FINALLY found a doctor to help me with my health issues that i found out i did in fact have hormone issues.

He uses a saliva panel test on all his patients and gets magnificent results. The reason that saliva is preferable over blood is that saliva is the most reliable way to measure free "bioavailable" hormone activity at a cellular level. This is different to a blood tests as most do not measure the bioavailable hormone levels. Saliva testing has been around since the late 1960's.

All i can say, if it hadn't been for this test i would still be at square one. I've had a lady from work and another acquaintance both have saliva testing done and they have finally received results which explain their health situation, whereas blood testing didn't. Also saliva testing over a 12 hr period is the best way to test your cortisol levels if you suffer adrenal fatigue, as i did, and blood tests most definitely do not show the true picture of cortisol levels. Hormones change daily and they change throughout the day, doing one blood tests isn't going to show the true picture, but doing the saliva test from early morning till night does show what is going on much better. The other thing is that even with blood testing, majority of doctors don't even tell the person what is the best time of day for the test. A lot of people still have a hormone blood test at lunch or in the afternoon.

I know a lot of doctors can't be bothered or are afraid of things which aren't "common" and it's far easier for them to stick you on antidepressants when your blood test doesn't show anything. If you have no reason to actually suffer depression and you are simply not well on the inside and your condition is depressing you, you do not need antidepressants, you need to be treated for what is making you sick. Anybody who does their research on PMS will find the culprit is normally estrogen imblance/excess. If you feel you are PMS'ing all the time, then your doctor needs to thoroughly check your thyroid, especially your T4 levels. Then again, most doctors don't know how to reach lab results and are happy for you to be within range, when this doesn't work for majority of people.

Anyway...... best of luck to all those trying to sort out their hormones

 
Old 05-20-2009, 06:14 PM   #15
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Re: PMS... please help.

Sounds like a lot of you have PMDD, I have it and know how you feel, I am 46 years old and this started a few years ago. Some months are worse than others, some symptoms of PMDD are moodyness, depress, don't want to be around people, feel mad at the people you love and can not explain why you are angry, anthing **** you off or get you agravated, and it goes on. I went to the doctor a few years ago and he prescribed SAFAREM and it works, don't feel like this month after month, go to the doctor and get the pills, it will make a big difference in your life. I hope that your insurance covers them as they are expensive, my insurance no longer pays for them and now I am on a generic and it is ok, not as good but I ony take them 10 days before my period, that is it. My fiance wants me to take them as it is very hard to be around me if I don't take them.

Big difference between PMS and PMDD, read about it on line, go to google and put PMDD, you will learn a lot but I can tell you that Sarafem worked for me!

Jacky

 
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