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Old 03-27-2010, 10:50 PM   #1
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Yeast, Lactobacillosis or Cytolytic Vaginosis???

Hi Ladies,
I've been dealing with the same vaginal and anal itching/burning for almost 9 months now! Read my post "chronic vaginal irritation for several months! help!"...Long story short, I've tried everything and I've been tested negative for everything...If not yeast, I was thinking maybe I have Cytolytic Vaginosis or maybe even Lactobacillosis. Based on my research, these are two disorders that also cause the same symptoms that I have (same symptoms as yeast infection). Lactobacillosis is diagnosed by a wet mount examination that reveals long chains of slender bacilli ranging from 40-75 microns in length. This disorder is treated with Augmentin or Doxycycline. Cytolytic Vaginosis is caused by an increase of lactobacilli which can also be diagnosed by doing a wet mount. Baking soda is suppose to be the treatment for this.

There is not a lot of information about these two conditions on the internet and GYNS do not seem to know about them. My GYN told me I have a lot of Lactobacilli but she said there was nothing abnormal (then again she knew nothing about Lactobacillosis when I asked her!) For the longest time I thought and still suspect this is a yeast problem but now I really dont know anymore. I remember months ago I took a baking soda sitz bath and even put some on my vulva and recieved slight relief but when I tried it with vinegar I got really irritated. I never tried douching with baking soda though which I know is something some people said worked for them. I am currently on a long term dose of Diflucan and I dont notice an improvment...I'm so tired of walking in circles..I really just want to be positive for something so I can find a treatment that works! Please share any similar stories, opinions, insight etc. does anyone know anything about these conditions?? Experienced them?? Thanks for reading! And please check out my other posts! Thanks!

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Old 04-01-2010, 10:36 PM   #2
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Re: Yeast, Lactobacillosis or Cytolytic Vaginosis???

Thanks Chris! Yes, thats exactly what I was thinking...my problem was originally created from irritation from a tampon and trying a new scented soap (b.c irritation began right after)....and THEN docs began giving me antibiotics thinking it was BV without even properly diagnosing me, they just guessed it was bv! So I agree, if this is yeast, the antibiotics def mad it worst! I took a total of 3 dif types of antibiotics so I can see this as part of the problem...I've tried all that already except for the Kefir....At one point I was taking a lot of supplements like acidophilus, FemDolphis, cranberry sup., garlic sup., folic acid, biotin etc. and it didnt seem to help at all...so I just recently stopped cuz I was starting to think what if this isnt yeast and what if its CV...so now I'm currently taking Centrum one a day vitamins only...Also, I tried eating a lot of yogurt, I even tried inserting yogurt up there months ago and I actually recieved a little relief but no imporvement...Please feel free to suggest anything else...I am always looking for suggestions and opinions...thanks again!

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Old 04-11-2010, 05:44 PM   #3
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Re: Yeast, Lactobacillosis or Cytolytic Vaginosis???

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< edited > It is not cheap but is wonderful for yeast infections and fungal overgrowth in general (did you know dandruf, psoriasis, and possibly asthma are all such?) Also did you know there are over the counter vaginal yeast ointments? I would get a better probiotic, something that has bifudus as well. (Be sure to get something in the MILLIONS or even BILLIONS.) Also, fermented foods like sourkraut and pickled ginger (Asian food section) all have natural probiotic bacteria in them. Only yogurt with live cultures help--and most do not have that. Dannon does and of course their specialty yogurts do.

The timing of your problem does sound like fungi gone amuck.

It's a little extreme, but a sugar free diet is also recommended, including restrictions on carbs. And if you want to go even further, alkaliny of your body can help, (because we tent to eat so acidic) and something to check out is the Lemonaide Cleanse--plus it's a great way to loose weight. (Google lemonaide diet.)

I personally am trying something called a Zapper. < edited > I am getting a much more expensive one but that is because I can....lol There is an incredible amount of testimony out there for getting rid of deseases with this VERY simple electronic device. Everything from sinus infections to HIV respond to this device.

Good luck. Isn't it dismaying that your doctor probably made it worse?

Thank you Chris! You are very knowledgable about this, I enjoy talking to you! Again, I agree, I believe this is non-albicans yeast (maybe even more than one strain) and the fungi just went crazy because all of the signs are there! I appreciate your advice and I actually went out and bought the Candex! I have been using it for about a week now along with tea tree oil suppositories and guess what? I'm experiencing some relief! BUT, it seems as though when I eat "yeast provoking" foods the symtoms get worse....and I dont know if the Candex is helping but the tea tree oil def. is soothing inside and makes the itching and burning less intense...It was strange because just yesterday...I missed two days in a row of the tea tree oil and right away I noticed after I ate some sugar and carbs, I got really itchy and looked down there and saw the same strange discharge I've been having....I really like the tea tree though...I even notice that if I rub it on the outside and on my anus and eliminates the itching for a while....I've been wearing pads while using it and I notice that on the pads there's occasionally brown stains...I think its just stains from the oil (thats what it smells like) but is it possible for it to be yeast comming out?...I tried the yeast diet for a second time and I only managed to do it for 3 days...it was veryyy difficult for me...I felt as though my body grew weak and I was going to faint at times! I want to check out this lemonade cleanse you are talking about and I also take PB8 (14 Billion) probiotics now too...looking for other good ones....have you heard good things about PB8? The zapper device sounds amazing, I was reading about it on the internet. Hope all goes well for you with that. Are you still dealing with an issue? I thought you were all cured? And it is very dismaying to think that my both GYN's who put me on a long course of antibiotics and made it worse. In fact, it is so upsetting that all the GYNS I've seen are totally not helpful, have no clue whats wrong with me or what I'm talking about and look at me like Im crazy when I try to educate them on what I think is wrong with me based on what I've learned by spending hours and hours surfing the web. I'm sure you can imagine the fustration but I guess I'm hanging in there. Please keep in contact!

 
Old 05-31-2010, 07:15 PM   #4
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Re: Yeast, Lactobacillosis or Cytolytic Vaginosis???

SweetPea143 I have also had this problem for what seems like years, the doctors have not been at all knowledgeable about this, I have gotten different information from each doctor. The solution was to do all my own research and here is what I have found... Lactobacillus starts to overgrow and will be the only thing living in there, no yeast or other bacteria can live in the acidic environment that the lactobacillus create. I got this after taking probiotics like acidophilus and eating lots of yogurt to help my digestive system but it threw off the environment of my vagina. So if I was you I would stop taking the probiotics. Also, the over the counter treatments for yeast infections will only make it worse. The only thing that has helped so far is boric acid suppositories, but it doesn't fix it permanently. I tried sitz baths and baking soda douches too but it didn't fix it permanently. I have found an article today that the antibiotic Augmentin will work specifically on lactobacillus (unlike diflucan, which will only make it worse). So thats what I've learned and I'm ****** that the 5 different gynos that I've seen didn't do as much research as I have. I shouldn't have to send my doctors articles and ask them for specific antibiotics. Nevertheless, thats what i'm doing. Good luck to you.

 
Old 06-03-2010, 10:30 PM   #5
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Re: Yeast, Lactobacillosis or Cytolytic Vaginosis???

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SweetPea143 I have also had this problem for what seems like years, the doctors have not been at all knowledgeable about this, I have gotten different information from each doctor. The solution was to do all my own research and here is what I have found... Lactobacillus starts to overgrow and will be the only thing living in there, no yeast or other bacteria can live in the acidic environment that the lactobacillus create. I got this after taking probiotics like acidophilus and eating lots of yogurt to help my digestive system but it threw off the environment of my vagina. So if I was you I would stop taking the probiotics. Also, the over the counter treatments for yeast infections will only make it worse. The only thing that has helped so far is boric acid suppositories, but it doesn't fix it permanently. I tried sitz baths and baking soda douches too but it didn't fix it permanently. I have found an article today that the antibiotic Augmentin will work specifically on lactobacillus (unlike diflucan, which will only make it worse). So thats what I've learned and I'm ****** that the 5 different gynos that I've seen didn't do as much research as I have. I shouldn't have to send my doctors articles and ask them for specific antibiotics. Nevertheless, thats what i'm doing. Good luck to you.

Karmenlight,

Thanks for writing. It is so nice to hear from you. I am in the same boat as you. I am so tired of educating these doctors and them looking at me like I am crazy when I am trying to tell them what is wrong with me and what treatments I need to try. Speaking on Bosric acid, Ive been wanting to try this remedy for a long time now but the last GYN I was seeing never even heard of it so she wouldnt perscribe it for me! Did you make the suppositories yourself or did you get a perscription for it?! I stopped the probiotics and everything else and I dont feel as irritated and I believe that was the right thing to do for now while I wait to see a specialist in august....I really want to try the boric acid because Ive read so many good things but I think I should be patient and try to get a perscription before I try to do it myself...it is so strong I do not want anything to go wrong.....I know people have gotten cured from it....why dont you think it worked for you? How long did you use it for?? What are your symptoms? discharge? smell? Anything?....It is about to be a year Ive been suffering from the same thing and Im so tired of this but I am not giving up I am determined to find a cure!...Have you ever been tested positive for anything? I havent but I am very confident that this is a non-albicans yeast, maybe more than one species....I am just hoping this GYN in August can help me....

 
Old 06-20-2010, 07:05 PM   #6
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Re: Yeast, Lactobacillosis or Cytolytic Vaginosis???

Hi SweetPea

Sorry it has taken me so long to reply. In response to what you wrote - the boric acid is apparently hard to get. Even in a big city it takes my pharmacy 2 weeks to get it and they order it from another big city. Its "compounded" so you have to have a prescription. I wouldn't suggest making the suppositories yourself, I just don't know how that would go. So, in the last few weeks, my doctor prescribed Augmentin antibiotic (for treating Lactobacillosis)(and she really liked the article i sent her). It seemed like it was working and I was really happy and then about a week after ending the treatment it started coming back. So i'm back to the boric acid. My symptoms seem a little different than yours. I'm not itchy at all. The discharge (if i don't take boric acid) is like glue and my boyfriend describes it as battery acid (lovely i know). Very acidic. I'm not sure why none of these treatments work for me, its still a mystery. I've never been tested positive for anything. All the doctors i've been to (before i found this wonderful woman who believes me) said that there was nothing wrong with me. So, I hope you get some good information in August. Take care!

 
Old 07-21-2010, 03:03 PM   #7
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Re: Yeast, Lactobacillosis or Cytolytic Vaginosis???

Hi Sweetpea - I too have been dealing with chronic 'yeast infections' for over 15 years - and with all of my research i have found nothing outside of "take your probiotics, maybe even vaginally, tea tree oil, garlic, diflucan, etc". I have NEVER, until today heard about cytolytic vaginosis or lactobacilosis, when I was researching BV (which my doctor now thinks I may have). It's so upsetting that doctors don't even know about CV or Lactobacilosis!!! I am in the same boat as you - printing out these articles and sending them to my doctor today! Please let me know if you find any relief and I'll be in touch with you as well. Thanks!

 
Old 07-21-2010, 03:08 PM   #8
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Re: Yeast, Lactobacillosis or Cytolytic Vaginosis???

Please do a search for Vaginal Intraepithelial Neoplasia - VIN. I had been dealing with what I thought was a yeast infection and nothing was working. Five years later I have stage 1 and 2 precancer cells. Your gyno can do a simple wash test in the office and find out if you need a biopsy. the wash test is like a vinegar wash.

 
Old 07-21-2010, 03:31 PM   #9
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Re: Yeast, Lactobacillosis or Cytolytic Vaginosis???

Eeesh I'm so sorry to hear that Misty. I'll mention it to the doctor but my symptoms (outside of the bouts of infection that sometimes linger for a few weeks) are brought upon by sexual activity only - you can imagine the effect this has had on my intimate relationship with my boyfriend of 4 years - the thought of sex alone gives me the shivers but I want to have a normal sex life so badly I went to my gyn yesterday and she said she saw "clue cells' under the microscope which signifies BV but before I go ahead and mess up my insides with more medicine I am waiting for the culture to return and really see what it comes back with this time. It is starting to sound oddly similar to either CV or Lacto - which I just heard about today :-/ At this rate, I feel like i could be a gyn myself!!!

 
Old 07-21-2010, 03:33 PM   #10
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Re: Yeast, Lactobacillosis or Cytolytic Vaginosis???

Sweetpea - I'm actually waiting for an appointment with Dr Stewart as well - praying she knows about these conditions and can pinpoint what my problem is too - have you had your appointment yet, and if so, how did it go????? Sending positive thoughts your way.

 
Old 07-28-2010, 12:41 AM   #11
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Re: Yeast, Lactobacillosis or Cytolytic Vaginosis???

Hi Ladies!

Thank you all for your responses. I wish you all the best of luck and please continue to keep in contact. Goddess, I am patiently waiting for my appt. with Dr. Stewart on Aug. 6th! I am so excited! I have been waiting a long time for this appt. and I am praying that she can help me. I have heard a lot of great things about her and I have been reading a little bit of her book! When is your appt?? I will be sure to keep you all posted on how my appt goes! I am just hoping I do not get my period right before I go! Thank you ladies and take care! xoxo

 
Old 08-04-2010, 02:50 PM   #12
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Re: Yeast, Lactobacillosis or Cytolytic Vaginosis???

Hi SweetPea,
I've been reading every single post of yours, because our symptoms are very similar. I've been struggling for 4 months, and it seems I have cytolitic vaginosis + lactobacilli overgrowth....I also used a million different meds, nothing seems to work. I'm curious to know about your appt with the expert doctor. I already saw 2 doctors, one here in the US and another in my country, Brazil....different meds prescribed, but no real solution. If you have new info, would you share here? I'm desperate for answers....

 
Old 08-04-2010, 10:28 PM   #13
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Hi SweetPea,
I've been reading every single post of yours, because our symptoms are very similar. I've been struggling for 4 months, and it seems I have cytolitic vaginosis + lactobacilli overgrowth....I also used a million different meds, nothing seems to work. I'm curious to know about your appt with the expert doctor. I already saw 2 doctors, one here in the US and another in my country, Brazil....different meds prescribed, but no real solution. If you have new info, would you share here? I'm desperate for answers....
Hi Donato,
I would love to keep you updated on my status. I will be sure to let you know what the expert says. May I ask, what makes you think that you have cytolitic vaginosis + lactobacilli overgrowth? I thought I may have that for a second but I am confident that yeast is my problem because all of the signs are there....but I will definitely share my visit experience with you, probably make a new post too. Hope things get better for you and talk to you soon.Oh and one last thing, be sure the doctors you are seeing really know what they are talking about because I believe many GYNs made me worse by perscribing me so many antibiotics in the begining. Best wishes.

 
Old 08-05-2010, 04:28 AM   #14
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Hello Sweet Pea,
Thanks for replying!Well, my history started with a BV(treated with antibiotics for 5 days) which triggered a yeast infection. Doctor prescribed fluconazole persistently, to the point I had 14 doses of it(gave me an upset stomach) with no results. When I went to Brazil, doctor there reviewed all my tests and sent a swab to the lab for a Pap smear. The results said cervicitis, and cytolytic process caused by lactobacilli. I'm still finishing the prescription she gave me, but i don't see any significant change. BTW, the doctor said my results showed no candida , and that the lactobacilli overgrowth was probably due to the fact i popped in too much oral Acidophillus (which I stopped doing). Anyway, symptoms are still here:itching, cramping, numbness,stinging and anal discomfort. The discharge itself isn't that bad....I'll wait for your appt

 
Old 10-06-2010, 11:06 AM   #15
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Re: Yeast, Lactobacillosis or Cytolytic Vaginosis???

hi Ladies,

I have been dealing with the same thing for a year. on and off itching, irritation, and (excuse the tmi) heavy white sometimes lumpy discharge with no odor. I have repeatedly tested negative for STD's (im a virgin). On a wet mount, my former gyno saw "a few clue cells" and gave me multiple prescriptions for metronidazole (made it worse). then she said my discharge looked like yeast and gave me diflucan and monistat (still didnt help). However, my cultures have ALL came back negative for yeast, BV, and trich.

After doing research, I believe I also have Cytolytic Vaginosis (especially since this involves "false" clue cells). However, Lactobacillosis is also a possibility. I plan on asking my new gyno about both conditions but, based on what i keep reading, she may not know what I'm talking about.

Sidenote: both conditions are caused by a vaginal ecosystem that is too acidic. In response to previous posts, do NOT use boric acid suppositories if you think you have Cytolytic Vaginosis or Lactobacillosis; it will only make things more acidic and worsen the problem. (personal note: I've tried boric acid, femdophilus, hydrogen peroxide, apple cider vinegar, colloidal silver, folic acid, and vitamin C... none of them worked).

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I plan on trying the baking soda douch (as recommended for CV) and altering my diet. I truly believe we are being misdiagnosed... there are so many more issues that can affect feminine health besides yeast and BV! It's good to know I'm not alone. Please keep me updated on your progress

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