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Posted by Geoff on November 12, 2000 at 02:00:41:

In Reply to: Re: ALL SSRIS ARE DANGEROUS AND SHOULD BE BANNED---OK, BUT....... posted by Kelley on November 11, 2000 at 06:33:42:

: : my life and my future career has been ruined by these drugs they are bad news. They work just like speed LSD cocaine. the ethics surrounding their approval with theFDA in the USA and the CSM in the uk points to a consiricy in medicine as a whole. I.m ashamed to be associated with the medical profession.

: Sorry for your sour experiences. That happens sometimes with any drug used to treat any condition. It is not specific to depression or antidepressants. It is by no means the norm however. For every bad experience, there are many other good ones that outnumber it. People's lives can be saved. I've seen several suicides due to refusal to take appropriate medication. Our ancestors had no choice. We do.

: SSRIs do not at all work like LSD, speed, or cocaine. If they did, then even normal people would be abusing antidepressants. Antidepressants would be street drugs. The street drugs typically cause a stimulation of release of neurotransmitters, or a stimulation of existing neurotransmitters. Antidepressants don't do that. Street drugs get normal people high. ADs don't do that. Street drugs have considerable action on dopamine and/or norepinephrine. SSRIs don't.

: Treatment involves risk/benefit decisions. In most cases, the benefits far outweight the risks. Untreated depression is highly related to divorce, lost employment, lost productivity, and ultimately premature death. Any responsible physician must weigh the risks and the benefits. No matter what we do in life, there are always risks. If you're looking for a foolproof riskless way out, I don't know of any. There are risks in taking SSRIs. There are risks in not taking them. I wish you could come visit a few gravesites with me.

: It seems SSRIs were poor choices for you. Your symptoms may not be related to serotonin chemistry. Other than traumatic experiences or psychosocial events, what else causes depression? Low serotonin, elevated serotonin, low norepinephrine, elevated norepinephrine, low dopamine, elevated dopamine, chemical instability, electrical instability, GABA deficient, thyroid, estrogen. In short, chemical imbalance. Many chemicals, not just serotonin. Not as simple as just serotonin low. To think SSRIs are the only way to treat depression is a joke. Brain chemistry is not that simple. Of all the possible causes, the only one you addressed in your own treatment was low serotonin. What if your serotonin wasn't low to begin with? Then obviously you would have had a negative experience. The moral of the story? It's not about low serotonin, it's about chemical imbalance. The question is, which chemical is out of balance? Apparently not serotonin in your case.

: If you are studying medicine, I would think from a layman's point of view that the best physician is one who is an expert at the cons and pros, not just one or the other. You seem to have spent a lot of time biased towards the cons. That's not well rounded. And what they teach you in school is not well rounded either.

: For the other side of the coin, I would highly recommend you read and study a book called "The Successful Treatment of Brain Chemistry Imbalance", by Dr Martin Jensen. This book is easy reading, inexpensive, and will teach you things you won't learn anywhere else (unless you are attending one of the 3 three medical schools that utilizes this book). To be successful, I would think you would want an open mind, not a closed one. Become an expert on both sides of the coin. That way you will be in a better position to make those risk/benefit decisions, and be in a much better position to guide your own treatment. To take sides is counterproductive to the profession. Know both sides intimately. Until you've read this book, I guarantee you there is a vast amount of insight, information, and theory absent from your training in school. There is information of equal or greater validity to refute every point made by authors of other negative books you've read. You'll be a superior medical professional with the increased knowledge in this book. It won't replace your training, but rather enhance it.

: The profession need not be embarrassing to you. You could instead be a shining light that makes the profession proud. Become an expert on both sides. Don't take sides. That's politics, not medicine. They can be easily confused if not careful.

: In the book, you won't regret it I promise you,.....SSRIs do not work like street drugs and have no behavioral or mechanical relation to them.....successful treatment is based on the expertise of the cons and pros so as to make good risk/benefit decisions, bias one way or the other leads to unresponsible practice of one's chosen profession, probably more appropriate in politics, but no place in medicine. Knowledge is golden. But not just biased knowledge. All knowledge combined into a well rounded picture.

: Sincerely,
: Kelley
Well done kelley I totally agree.
I was totally miserable without the aid of this treatment
Divorce from wife and freinds was a definate possibility
I did'nt want to speak to any body
I thought i should be concerned with this article but i realize from your description of the treatment that i was wrong thank you.

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