posted 01-13-2002 07:14 PM         

Anyway, the cure for acne is a long and complex journey, but with diligence and perseverence, it is possible. Leo's book has taught me the fundamentals of a healthy diet and lifestyle, which can dramatically improve your health. Did you know one of the main causes of your acne could be parasites? It's true. Dr. Hulda Clark explains this in "The Cure For All Diseases". You can actually purchase an electronic parasite zapper, build one yourself, or cleanse yourself of parasites through herbs.

Also, it's necessary to cleanse your body's internal organs. The biggest improvement will come when you actually purge your liver of gallstones and other toxic material. A healthy liver is the key to a healthy life. So please, take the journey to being free of acne forever.

I'll help you get there. I'll try to get back to you as soon as I can. I consider myself quite knowledgable about all of this, as I've been extensively researching it for three years.

Thank-you, and have a healthy day!

posted 01-14-2002 02:27 PM         

If you follow Kiesen's methods, you will spend 200 to 300$ a month...I don't think young people have that much to spend.

I think acne can be caused by many things, some are nutritional deficiencies, or liver toxicities or food sensitivites or all of them but that's different for each person. If I had listened to Leo Kiensen's advice, I would be taking like 15 different supplements, and I would be broke when my acne was only caused by one thing.

posted 01-14-2002 07:28 PM         

Hey, not everyone will find Leo to be right, but judge by results. The key to solving acne is different for a lot of people. Like someone else on the board said, his/her acne was cured by zinc. This is logical because acne CAN be due to a zinc deficiency. But for others, the search can much more complex...

About the parasites... I suggest you pick up Hulda Clark's "The Cure for All Diseases". It's pretty interesting.

Some of the things in Leo's e-book are a little far-fetched, but he is right on with EFAs. They are so important. I recommend getting "The Total EFA" made by Health From the Sun. It supplies Flax Oil, Borage Oil, and Evening Primose Oil (The Magic 3). In addition, you may want to supplement with fish oil, but this is not necessary for a lot of people.

Your diet doesn't have to be PERFECT. Leo's diet is extremely clean, and for him... maybe this is necessary. I totally agree with him on a lot of stuff, though. I've purged my liver a few times now, and I seriously feel like a different person. I used to have stomach problems, acne, etc... it's pretty much all gone.

So, I'm not just advertising his e-book. I'm a happy customer, though. Good day.

posted 01-14-2002 10:30 PM         

Parasites are nasty little creatures that live inside your body organs feeding on whatever they can and releasing waste products wherever they please. They rob your body of nutrition and deposit toxic waste matter. They cause all kinds of health problems…among them acne.

There are over 134 different kinds of parasites. They range in size from microscopic to over 4 feet long in the case of tapeworms. They can live in virtually every body organ. Including the lungs, muscles, and brain. Most Americans have one kind or another. In fact, the World Health Organization has named parasitic diseases as among the six most harmful infective diseases to humans.

So how do your get parasites?

The largest source of infection is from meat, especially pork. Touching dogs, cats, and other animals may lead to picking up parasite eggs or sometimes parasites themselves. Other methods of infection are...

Eating foods that have not been washed.
Picking up eggs from dirt on foods.
Drinking infected water. Parasites like Cryptosparidiam and Giardia are famous for transfer this way.
Walking barefoot in infected soil.
Breathing in parasite eggs from a filthy environment.
It is virtually impossible not to pick up parasites somewhere or another. Hulda Clark wrote a book called The Cure For All Diseases. It is a highly controversial book. I recommend you read it. Hulda pioneered a way to detect parasites through electronic means. She found that virtually everyone who eats meat and regularly came in contact with animals, either pets or livestock, had some kind of parasites or another.

She also pioneered away to kill parasites electronically. Basically she uses a special kind of electronic zapper to electrocute the parasites. I have used a zapper to kill parasites in myself. This zapper is not approved by the FDA. If you want to use one, you've got to build one or buy one from somebody who builds them. I believe it definitely does kill parasites. (If you want to try this method please get Hulda Clark's book, it will tell you exactly how to build and use a zapper). However, it is not effective in killing parasites in the colon.

The electronic current tends to travel along the outer surface of the colon, leaving the parasites untouched. In fact, killing colon parasites is one of the most difficult things you can do. The mucoidal plaque is the perfect shelter for these parasites. They hide in it protected from any parasite-killing agent. So, in order to kill the parasites you've got to first remove the mucoidal plaque and then use herbal parasite killing agents. This will most likely take a few cleanses.

Here are the anti-parasite agents.

Wormwood
Cloves
Black Walnut hull tincture

You can get these at most health food stores. Hulda Clark has a recipe in her book for making super-strength walnut hull tincture

posted 01-15-2002 02:24 AM         

Preparation

You can't clean a liver with living parasites in it. You won't get out many stones, and will feel quite sick. Zap daily the week before, or get through the first three weeks of the parasite killing program before attempting a liver cleanse. If you are on a parasite maintenance program, do a high dose program the week before.
Completing the kidney cleanse before cleansing the liver is also recommended. You want your kidneys, bladder and urinary tract in top working condition so they can efficiently remove any undesirable substances incidentally absorbed from the intestine as the bile is being excreted.
Do any dental work first, if possible. Your mouth should be metal free and bacteria free (cavitations are cleaned). A toxic mouth can put a heavy load on the liver, burdening it immediately after cleansing. Eliminate that problem first for best results.

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Liver cleanse and gallbladder cleanse flush NO surgery

Ingredients

1/2 Cup(= 1.25 dl) Olive Oil Extra Virgin

1 Big grapefruit (2 small) (Or 3 lemons)

4 tablespoon EPSOM salts = MgSO4 ( = Magnesium Sulphate = EPSOM salt)

3 cups water (=750 dl)

(P.S .!! 1 cup = 250 ml = 2.5 dl = 0.25 l )

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Choose a day like Saturday for the cleanse, since you will be able to rest the next day.

Take no medicines, vitamins or pills that you can do without; they could prevent success. Stop the parasite program and kidney herbs too, the day before.

Eat a no-fat breakfast and lunch such as cooked cereal with fruit, fruit juice, bread and preserves or honey (no butter or milk), baked potato or other vegetables with salt only. This allows the bile to build up and develop pressure in the liver. Higher pressure pushes out more stones.

2:00 PM.

Do not eat or drink after 2 o'clock. If you break this rule you could feel quite ill later.

Get your Epsom salts ready. Mix 4 tbs. in 3 cups water and pour this into a jar. This makes for servings, 3/4 cup each. Set the jar in the refrigerator to get ice cold (this is for convenience and taste only).

6:00 PM.

Drink one serving (3/4 cup) of the ice cold Epsom salts. If you did not prepare this ahead of time, do it right now. You may also add 1/8 tsp. vitamin C powdered to improve the taste. You may also drink a few mouthfuls of water afterwards or rinse your mouth. Get the olive and grapefruit out to warm up.

8:00 PM.

Repeat by drinking another 3/4 cup of Epsom salts. You haven't eaten since two o'clock, but you won't feel hungry. Get your bedtime chores done. The timing is critical for success; don't be more than 10 minutes early or late.

9:45 PM.

Pour 1/2 cup (measured) olive oil into the pint jar. Squeeze the grapefruit by hand into the measuring cup. Remove pulp with fork. You should have at least 1/2 cup, more (up to 3/4 cup) is best. You may top it up with lemonade. Add this to the olive oil. Close the jar tightly with the lid and shake hard until watery (only fresh grapefruit does this).

Now visit the bathroom one or more times, even it makes you late for your ten o'clock drink. Don't be more than 15 minutes late.

10:00 PM.

Drink the potion you have mixed. Take 4 ornithine capsules with the first sips to make sure you will sleep through the night. Take 8 if you already suffer from insomnia. Drinking through a large plastic straw helps it go down easier. [HPS editors note- don't, just stomach the terrible taste...and it is horrendous- be forewarned...but that's part of the cleanse, you can deal with it just like we have]. Take it to your bedside if you want, but drink it standing up. Get it down within 5 minutes (fifteen minutes for very elderly or weak persons).

Lie down immediately. You might fail to get stones out if you don't. The sooner you lie down the more stones you will get out. Be ready for bed ahead of time. Don't clean up the kitchen. As soon as the drink is down walk to your bed and lie down flat on your back with your head up high on the pillow. Try to think about what is happening in the liver. Try to keep perfectly still for at least 20 minutes. You may feel a train of stones traveling along the bile ducts like marbles. There is no pain because the bile duct valves are open (thank you Epsom salts!). Go to sleep. You may fail to get stones out if you don't

Next morning. Upon awakening take your third dose of Epsom salts. If you have indigestion or nausea wait unit it is gone before drinking the Epsom salts. You may go back to bed. Don't take this potion before 6:00 AM.

2 hours later.

Take your fourth (the last) dose of Epsom salts. Drink 2/4 cups of the mixture. You may go back to bed.

After 2 more hours you may eat. Start with fresh fruit juice. Half an hour later eat fruit. One hour later you may eat regular food but keep it light. By supper you should feel recovered.

posted 01-15-2002 09:36 AM         

I did try other zinc supplements like chelated zinc and zinc gluconate but they didn't work as well. If you are interested in zinc, I would definately suggest OptiZinc because it's the most absorbable and advanced form on the market...and zinc supplements are very cheap too. I buy mine from Natrol and I pay
4$ for a 60 cap bottle that lasts me two months. The next best zinc supplement would be picolinate.

I started to see results after about 3 weeks and my face was totally clear after two months. For some people, it might take longer because zinc is a slow acting mineral...you won't see results overnight. Another thing, don't panic if your acne gets worst the first week or two using zinc...it's a normal reaction.

posted 01-15-2002 10:24 PM         

As far as your upset stomach with zinc, make sure you are taking it with food. If that doesn't help, you might want to determine whether or not you need more zinc. Enzymatic Therapy has a liquid zinc supplement called OptiStat(if I remember correctly - it's the only liquid zinc they have). Follow the instructions, based on what you taste will determine if you need to supplement with zinc.

Hope that helps. I work for a chain of health food stores, and have my Masters in Holistic Nutrition (all the research I was doing on acne led me to the program). If anyone has any questions, I will try to help. I've been struggling with various degrees of acne for about 15 years, and have done a lot of research and tried a lot of things during that time.

posted 01-16-2002 11:04 PM         

I think that zinc is best absorbed WITHOUT food in most cases... a half-an-hour before bedtime is a great time to take it.

As far as zinc and its absorbtion...

Iron decreases its absorbtion. That's a scientific fact.
Calcium COMPLETELY decreases its absorbtion. That's also a scientific fact, and if anyone wants to argue about that to me, be my guest. There is what I believe somewhat of a stupid trend going on in the supplement industry. Most zinc supplements actually CONTAIN some form of calcium in them... check your zinc supplement. 9 times out of 10 the word "calcium" will appear in the ingredient list.

As far as zinc supplements, I would actually recommend to you a ZMA supplement. ZMA stands for Zinc Monomethione Aspartame, and it is a bodybuilding supplement believe it or not. It contains Zinc Monomethione (OptiZinc), Magnesium, and B6 in a potent combination that will drastically reaise your testosterone by 30%. Now some of you might be saying "Isn't testosterone bad? Won't that cause acne?" No! Not true! Testosterone is actually a great hormone. Did you ever see a pimple on Arnold Schwarzenegger? I don't think so (even though he DID in fact take steriods, but let's not get into that). The only reason that steriods will give you those kind of side effects is because they are synthetic and disrupt your natural hormones. You see, your body will actually shut off its testosterone because it is constantly receiving the hormone from another source. This leads to bad bad stuff. The bad hormone is actually DHT, which is responsible for acne as well as hairloss. Zinc will help to correct this, and believe it or not, nutritionalists recommend zinc as a preventative measure against hairloss. You should take zinc internally (ZMA) and externally (Head and Shoulders) for the best results.

Anyway, to make matters short, ZMA is an awesome supplement, not only for bodybuilding, but for everything! A lot of people forget that Magnesium is crucial to hormonal balance... I would recommend Higher Power Nutrition's ZMA Night Time Formula. It makes you sleep like a baby... it's great, and trust me, it will help with your acne. It's the best zinc supplement out there. Some of you may JUST have acne because you're deficinent in zinc. If that is the case, then this could very well be your cure. Just make sure you haven't eaten anything with iron or calcium 2 hours prior to taking it. You shouldn't be eating 3 hours before bedtime anyway, as this is hard on the liver, and liver health is so important for healthy skin!

Concerning the liver purge...

Make sure you kill parasites first before you do this. You might become quite sick. I made the mistake of not doing this. I was very sorry I made this decision when I was throwing up numerous times. You'll still get stones out, but it won't be as effective.

Parasites...

You could be taking your supps perfectly and be doing everything else right, but if you haven't killed parasites, you're putting a lot of that expensive supplementation to waste. Once a nutritionalist said "Who are you feeding, you or your parasites?" This has truth to this. Now obviously, let's not go to drastic measures and say "Chris, you're wrong... if parasites were stealing all of my food, I would be dead!" You're right, parasites don't steal all your food, but they can cause pretty bad health problems. As a simple test, do you have dandruff at all? Or have you ever had athlete's foot? How about warts? Does your scalp itch? It could very well be due to parasites. I highly recommend ridding yourselves of these little critters through the use of an electronic unit as well as the herbal stuff. The great thing about the electronic unit is once you buy it, you can keep zapping and zapping free of charge, killing every parasite in your body except those in your colon. You will need the herbs for that.

Concerning the multi-vitamins...

The best "multi-vitamin" you can get is a mixture of bee pollen and royal jelly. These supply EVERYthing you could possible want. Most multi-vitamins out there are crap. For instance, what good is having zinc in a multi-vitamin if iron is in it too? Iron will prevent the zinc from being absorbed.

Also, you might be wondering when to take supplements. One would think that the best way to take them is right after a meal. Wrong. 5 minutes prior to a meal is ideal for absorbtion. Trust me. And take your Vitamin E and A when your eating meals with fat, since they are fat-soluble.

Many of you may still be searching for the acne cure. It's a long journey, but with diligence you'll get there. Suprisingly, you really don't have to spend too much money if you play your cards right. And you don't have to be perfect, either. My diet isn't perfect... nobody's is, but I sure don't get acne anymore, and this is quite a feat for a 17 year old guy in the middle of puberty. Not only will your acne improve, but every aspect of your health will as well. You will sleep better, you will be more musclar and defined (I know I am), your eyes will become more cystal clear, your vision may improve, you will NEVER become sick, because at this point your body's immune system is incredibly strong, and you'll be happier... not only because you look better but because you feel great too!

posted 01-18-2002 06:11 PM         

"yes the body does have many micro-organisms living on it, in it etc. But you know what WE need some of these lil guys to help our bodies function properly."

Maybe you could fill me in on where I talked about killing the micro-organisms that the human body needs, because I definitely must have missed that. By definition, a parasite is an organism that feeds off its host and aids in no way to the survival of that host. Look it up. Don't question my judgement if it has cured my acne. I have tried everything under the sun except for accutane (god forbid I ever would take that) until I found what worked for me. Judge my knowledge upon results, not a piece of paper that I am too young to acquire.

AngelaMDarling - You want to know of simple steps to becoming healthier. If you are perfectly healthy, it is impossible to get acne. For you, I recommend a good EFA supplement (The Total EFA by Health From the Sun (liquid)). If you're going to supplement with anything, this is what you want to go with. 2 tablespoons a day might keep the acne at bay! Also, try and get a good run in at least 5 times a week, it helps clean the lymph nodes. Make sure you're staying away from poisons like processed white sugar, hydrogenated fat (or any fat that is rancid for that matter), and god forbid Nutrisweet or any artificial sweetener. While you may think I take 50 different vitamins a day and it costs a lot, it really doesn't, and I pay for it all myself. Oh, and if you're taking pantothenic acid, which is helpful, note that it won't be effective at all if you're liver isn't in good shape, since the liver processes it into what you need...

Jersey Girl - Some foods that supply zinc are: red meat, oysters, and grains. The best source of zinc is meat. However, it is simply impossible these days to get enough zinc from your daily diet. And I hope you're not a vegetarian who doesn't take a zinc supp... You gotta supplement if you're a vegetarian.

Bacne - I believe you missed my entire point, but that's quite alright. There's no such thing as "excess testosterone" unless your taking steroids. And receptors on the skin and the scalp are what cause dht to wreak havoc. If you take zinc at an early age, it could prevent this. Higer testosterone does NOT mean you will have more DHT... unless it is synthetic. Got it? Also, you may think the best way to go is to buy a zinc supplement, magnesium supplement, and b-6 supplement at the same time, because it is more cost effective, and you're right. However, it simply does not create a potent effect unless you take it as ZMA. They are not almost identical, not even close... but nice try. Btw, if you're a bodybuilder, what are your stats? Because you talk a big game, but can you back it up?

posted 01-18-2002 06:55 PM         

I do not eat any red meat, dairy, refined sugar, white bread, and all the stuff I do eat is organic. I eat lots of fresh fuits and veggies and oats for fiber,restrict my carb intake, and replace dairy w/ soy. I am very happy with my skin. Actually my skin was never bad, I just have obsessive compulsive disorder, and I'm very hard on myself about my skin.I drink only water, around 75 oz. a day. I don't even know if certain foods harm my face, but I'm scared to test it and I know eating like this is healthy for the entire body anyway. In social situations, it can be very difficult, but It doesn't bother me too much. I've been doing this strictly since the summer. I lost a lot of weight not wanting to, and am probably way under weight. I turn 17 in April, am only 5'4 and way 90 pounds. Do you have any ways that I can gain a couple pounds w/ out eating junk? I mean i eat sunflower seeds and the "good" fats in olive oil and such, but it does not seem to do anything.

posted 01-18-2002 08:03 PM         

Your diet sounds pretty good. The only thing I would worry about is soy. There's a little something from Leo Kiesen after I give you my opinion.

You don't want to lose too much weight. Eat more oatmeal if you want, you can eat all the oatmeal you want... it won't wreak havoc on your face.

I'm assuming that monodox is an anti-biotic, but I really do not know. Anti-biotics, while in the short term will drastically help your acne, do worse things in the longrun. If you want to gain wait, you gotta eat... no way around it... just eat the right things. If you don't like eating red meat, try chicken or fish. Fish are really great sources of EFA and protein.

It sounds like you're making a good effort by supplementing with borage and flax, but you definitely want to throw evening primose in for hormonal balance. Now about the soy. I drank soymilk for probably a year before I realized that it was completely cutting off my aborbtion of zinc, and probably throwing off my hormonal levels, since I had acne. But because so many people said it was "good for me", I believed them... here's what Leo Kiesen has to say.

"Isolated soy protein (soy protein isolate) is poison…

Textured vegetable protein is poison…

Soymilk is largely indigestible…

Fractionated soy products like tofu carry with them inherit problems…

High anti-nutrient content in soy improperly prepared leads to chronic mineral and amino acid deficiencies…

And the high phyto-estrogen content in the new form of genetically modified soybeans will upset hormonal balance leading to early puberty in girls, and a host of diseases related to high estrogens later on in life…

Yet if soybeans are grown and prepared right they can be a bio-available source of nutrition.

Want to know why…read on…

Soy for thousands of years was an important source of nutrition for Asian cultures. But it took those cultures many years to figure out how to prepare soy so it could be bio-available. The problems arrived when we started consuming it in excess improperly prepared, denature it with high temperatures and pressures, fractionate it to make bean curds, and God forbid, genetically modify it so it would be more bug resistant and yield more per acre.

Soybeans contain many of the same anti-nutrients and enzyme inhibitors that grains have. Soy is both high in phytic acid and in inhibitors that block the action of trypsin (and important enzyme for life) as well as other enzymes. These inhibitors are tightly folded proteins that retain their configuration even when cooked for very long periods. When ingested they produce gastric distress and reduced protein digestion and chronic amino acid deficiencies due to the enzyme inhibitor.

The Chinese knew this, and it was not until they discovered fermentation processes that they ever ingested the bean.

You see soybeans must be prepared in a specific way to neutralize these anti-nutrients…namely soybeans must be sprouted, or slow fermented as in the case of miso, shoyu, tempeh, and natto.

The sprouting and slow fermentation processes destroy the anti-nutrients and break down the soy proteins into bio-available forms. Any soy product less then this has the anti-nutrients left intact.

Soy normally has plant phyto-estrogens. These mimic the action of the hormone estrogen in your systems. They body can make adjustments for these phyto-estrogens by lowering estrogens, but in excess these phyto-estrogens will throw hormones out of balance. Well, genetically modified soy has many more times the phyto-estrogens as non-GMO soy only compounding the problem. Do not ingest genetically modified soy products of any kind.

Isolated soy protein and textured vegetable protein are poisons due to their highly processed nature. To produce soy protein isolate the soybeans are first ground and then solvents are added to extract the natural oils in the bean. The bean mixture now free of any fatty acids is then mixed with sugars and an alkaline solution to remove any fiber. Then it is precipitated and separated using an acid wash. This acid wash is generally done in huge aluminum tanks. The acid leaches aluminum into the soy. In fact soy protein isolates have as much as 100 times the aluminum content as the beans they were derived from. Finally what's left is neutralized in an alkaline solution and spray dried at high temperatures to produce high protein powder.

The result is a powder that is so denatured it becomes a poison. Yet most the anti-nutrients naturally in soy not prepared properly still remain. Your body cannot utilize isolated soy protein in any form; it simply has to get it out of your system as quickly as it can.

Textured vegetable protein is only isolated soy protein that has been extruded at high temperatures and pressures. Just as poisonous if not more so then soy protein isolate.

Read the labels…do not ingest anything with soy protein isolate or textured vegetable protein in it. They're putting it in everything now, especially so-called "heath" foods. And mothers I beg you…do not give your babies soy formulas or soymilk…please don't do it, just trust me on this one.

Soymilk is largely unusable by your body and comes along with it both anti-nutrients and toxins left behind from the manufacturing process. Consider the process involved in making soymilk. In order to remove some anti-nutrients in soy, the beans are first soaked in an alkaline solution. This mixture is then heated between 240-250 degrees Fahrenheit (115-120 C) in pressure cookers at high pressure. This temperature and pressure denatures the protein in the soy to the point that it becomes very difficult for your body to digest. The alkaline solution the beans are soaked in leaves behind a carcinogen called lysinealine. Not only that, the anti-nutrient phytic acid that are normally destroyed by sprouting or fermenting remains. This acid binds to minerals and will cause chronic mineral deficiencies if consumed regularly. Use rice milk or milk derived from nuts like almonds instead.

Fractionated soy products like tofu still have the anti-nutrients and enzyme inhibitors largely intake. The process of making these foods does lower some of the enzyme inhibitors, but many remain. The phytic acid remains intake.

The tragedy is soy products are now being heavily promoted as "healthy" alternatives the FDA. I tell you from sad experience I was duped by those promotions as well. It was not until I started doing regular live blood cell analysis on myself that I noticed the connection and researched it further. The current crop of soy products is not a healthy alternative…in fact they are a poison.

Anything the FDA recommends I ask you to research and question…be highly suspicious of it. Usually a lot of money and big business are behind that recommendation…not so much the concern for your health.

The only soy products I suggest you ingest are sprouted beans and fermented soy products such as miso, shoyu, tempeh, and natto, all of which should be made from organic, non-genetically modified soybeans (non-GMO). Tofu should not be used as meat substitute…it should only be ingested in small quantities as a condiment just as most Asian cultures do."

posted 01-18-2002 08:31 PM         

#1 Stress is a huge factor in acne, I believe you can actually control your acne by reducing your stress levels, seeing a massage therapist every two weeks helps greatly with this along with deep breathing and what not, just keeping your mind off your face as well. This may be in large part why the "Do Nothing" Method is working for alot of you.
But I believe the #1 way to reduce your stress levels is to have a normal sleep schedule, try it for a week and see how u feel.

2. Nutrition is also an important step when dealing with acne, again, my diet is not perfect but I have bought a juicer and found extreme benefits just by juicing carrots and cucumbers every few days, it makes my skin kindof satiny like -

I'll try to keep this short but as far as excersing goes running is good but i have found a far better way to clean the lymph and blood buy a mini trampoline- for 5 to 15 minutes a day can help drain the lymphatic system. This stimulates the lymph nodes, which start to drain toxins into the bloodstream and out of the body.

alright thats just a little info for ya'll

also nutrition expert what are the supps you r taking now?

posted 01-18-2002 08:51 PM         

Here is an interesting letter from some of the FDA's own scientists that protested its approval and claims of being a "healthy" food >>> http://www.abcnews.go.com/onair/2020/2020_000609_soyfdaletter_feature.html

But I have a question regarding iron blocking zinc absorption. Red meat is probably the best source for both iron and zinc. It doesn't seem reasonable that a natural food like meat would result in a zinc deficiency does it? Carnivores live on meat alone and they seem to get along just fine. There was even a study done in the 1930s where two scientists lived on an all meat diet for over one year with no ill effects. What is the mechanism that results in iron blocking zinc absorption? Do you have a study or other reference to support this theory?

posted 01-19-2002 01:30 PM         

"The Total EFA" liquid
Fish Oil
ZMA - Zinc/Magnesium
Bee pollen/royal jelly
B-complex
B5-pantothenic acid
Chromium picolonate
Beta-carotenee
A little bit of copper to balance my zinc intake
MSM - sulfur supp
Vitamin C
Vitamin E
Selenium
And I use a juicer quite a bit as well...
I may have forgot one or two, but I'm really in a hurry... sorry.

Arkie6 - Hey Alan. Soy really is bad. It's hard to believe that so many people push it as a "healthy alternative"

Regarding iron blocking zinc absorbtion... I don't claim to be right about everything 100% of the time. It's just what I researched. Perhaps when your taking supplements of each, it is best not to let the supplements interfere. Meat is definitely good in small amounts.

CottonCandy - Hi! How are you doing? I don't want to offend you in anyway, but it sounds like you're being a litte bit too obsessive about your diet. It definitely is possible to stop the soy intake, please do it for your health. Rice Milk is a wonderful substitute. Red meat is definitely alright, as long as one doesn't ingest too much uric acid for the body to handle. About tomatoes, tomatoes are great sources of vitamin c and other antioxidants. One pimple is not the end of the world, ok? I agree that you should stay away from cookies or cakes, those are killers. Do stay away from cheese as much as possible. Make sure you diet is as diverse as possible, but still as healthy as possible.

Bacne - I happen to train with a professional bodybuilder, and I am 5'8" 165 at 6% body fat myself. I do consider myself to be very knowledgable of the sport of bodybuilding. Keep separating your magnesium and zinc and you'll stay at around 15% bf. Prohormones are horrible for you, they are just as bad as steriods. They do not in any way stimulate your own production of testosterone. ZMA does that.