posted 10-09-2003 03:59 AM            

Someone on here had orginally posted this list below and MAYBE had he mentioned that it was by Perricone, others would have taken the "advice" a bit more seriously: http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/019655.html

STEP 1 — Acne Curing Foods

Fruits & Vegetables
Apples
Cantaloupe
Honeydew
Berries
Artichokes
Asparagus
Broccoli
Dark leafy lettuce

Nuts
Almonds
Pecans
Hazelnuts
Sunflower seeds
Pumpkin seeds

Proteins
Salmon
Regular yogurt
Turkey
Oysters

Acne Causing Fruits & Vegetables
Mango
Papaya
Banana
Peas
Carrots

Acne Causing Foods
Bagels
Pita
Rice cakes
Rice
Potatoes

STEP 2 — Nutritional Supplements that Help Treat Acne

B Complex
Vitamin C
Vitamin E
Fish oil
Perricone vitamins

STEP 3 — Topical Anti-inflammatories
Cetaphil
Aveeno
Biore
Clean & Clear
Perricone products

Now, if "bagels" and Pita are problematic wouldn't you think that this would apply to all breads alike??? Obviously, that's a generalized list of "inflammatory" foods (starchy ones), yet some of us have learned that there are many others that might need to be eliminated (could be why others don't need ANY supplements and topicals) as found Neccessary. Anyway, some people criticized the diet since it's just like his other books, well, I bet it is, but this one is for those of us that are more concerned with acne than wrinkles (for the time being). If you want it for less than $27.50, there several sites selling it for $19 or less. Also, perhaps you might be interested in another book known as "The Inflammation Cure" by Joel Meggs. Then again, this is all what the Evil Lectin Diet and an Elimination Diet will show you for free.

Of course, you can use his products to make it easier on yourself too. Yet, all of his products and supplements are EXPENSIVE! We ourselves have bought better formulated products (like Youth Essentials) and more bioavailable supplements than what he offers and for LESS! Other than that, no complaints about this man. Heck he's won awards and knows his stuff it seems. I really don't care who decides to broadcast it to the world (he did so on several tv shows with apparently amazing before & after patients), just as long as more people Wakeup and get clear, I'll be happy =)

night

posted 10-23-2003 04:32 PM            

I have the Acne Prescription and I've been following it (just the diet and supplements part, not the topicals) for a while and so far (DON"T JINX ME ACNE GODS!!!) it has worked great. I am really convinced by what he says about the relationship between high GI/GL foods and inflammation. I agree that his stuff is expensive, but the book does not push his stuff at all. I think there's a brief mention of his website at the end among many other references and sources. Also, it's not necessary to buy his stuff to follow the program. (If you were to use the topicals exactly as he prescribes, you might have to mix and match or make your own, though.) The lists in the book are more complete than the ones quoted in the link you found. Yes, he does talk about all bread being a no-no. The ones that confuse me are mango and papaya, as the GI/GL lists I've found (mostly for diabetics) list them as being acceptable, especially on the load end. Here's what I have been consming a lot of lately:
Water (tons!)
Green tea
McCann's steel-cut oatmeal
Berries
Almonds
Apples
Salmon
Sardines
Greens
Eggs (especially egg whites)
Real (i.e., active culture) yogurt (unsweetened)

The one juice he recommends is pomegranate (in moderation), so I have been trying to have about 8oz. a day. I also eat chicken and turkey on the days I'm not eating fish.

So far so good. I have my fingers crossed I can keep it up and that it keeps working.

Oh, by the way, I have also lost 25 pounds and 4 inches off my waist! And this was only with moderate exercise.

[This message has been edited by CraigJ (edited 10-23-2003).]

posted 10-26-2003 12:09 AM            

Now as for the nutrients part, you aren't missing anything much but the Fiber. Refined, Bleached, Processed foods...50% or more of what the "western diet" consists of are ENRICHED with vitamins. They are enriched because the foods have been STRIPPED of all such nutrients and some fiber as well. Therefore, what's the difference between eating something that has sprayed on vitamins or taking a bioavailable supplement (liquid, powder, capsules)???

In terms of the Fiber, if you substitute Whole Grain breads (must say on the package) then you will lower the GI for this product a bit. However, if you completely eliminate Wheat and other grains, then you MUST eat enough fruits and vegetables to make up for the lacking fiber. (15- 20g) Otherwise, you will have to take a Fiber Supplement (drink or capsule form). I still don't eat enough vegetables, so this is what I must do (Benefiber). Yet, this isn't a problem for most former acne sufferers or adults in general becaue they are truly following the diet by eating more fruits and lots of vegetables. Whereas I am still eating like a busy working college student, yet, for the junk that I still eat (far from perfect) I eliminated enough to get me 99%+ clear.

Diet really effects me from giving me cysts, to pimples, to oily skin, and horrible menstrual cramps. It's fascinating really and extremely empowering to know that I have such control over it all. You shouldn't feel overwhelmed, you should just jump in (after planning, etc) and try one method and see how it works. If it doesn't get you 100% tweek it a bit until it does. That's what I, and some others had to do (not always an instant jackpot) and I wouldn't have it ANY OTHER WAY!

Just my 2 cents ;-)

posted 10-26-2003 07:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Laurenmarie179:
I dont know about his book, but his products have not reviewed well. i tried them--WAY overpriced--$130 for 3 acne products, which were the absolute worst acne products ever (his cleanser has acne causing ingredients, and his toner is alcohol based)

i dont think his book is anything he thought up himself, just his own spin on it all.

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You may be right about the topicals he sells. I haven't tried them, but I agree that they are incredibly overpriced. (Then again, do you know what Accutane costs if you don't have health insurance? Over $400 a month!!! I guess it's all about the demand side of the supply/demand dynamic.)

But, I disagree about his book being unoriginal. Not that I've done a scientifically comprehensive survey of all acne regimens, but I've probably come pretty close if you add up all the time I've spent surfing the web and all the books I've bought over the years to try to find a cure to acne. I've come across very few sources that actually detail why diet leads to acne, and none that explain it in the way Perricone does or that outline a diet like he recommends. There's a lot of casual and/or anecdotal evidence, especially on the web, that diet and acne are related, but this book did the best job I have seen yet at explaining what foods lead to acne and why (i.e., foods with a high glycemic load lead to a spike in blood sugar, which leads to a flood of insulin, which stimulates the production of androgens, of which DHT is the dangerous one for acne-prone skin). What's funny is that this exact same connection between foods high on the glycemic index leading to an overproduction of androgens, especially DHT, has been well documented in regard to hirsutism, which is obviously also a disorder caused by too many male hormones. So, perhaps Perricone borrowed some ideas from dermatologists who specialize in hirsutism, but I haven't seen any other acne doctors talk about the connection. In any case, the medical research world is full of people building off of others' research. I don't personally care where he got his ideas; all I care about is whether his regimen works, and, so far, it has worked really well for me (and that's without even using the topicals, just relying on the diet and supplements).

posted 10-26-2003 07:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Laurenmarie179:
I dont know about his book, but his products have not reviewed well. i tried them--WAY overpriced--$130 for 3 acne products, which were the absolute worst acne products ever (his cleanser has acne causing ingredients, and his toner is alcohol based)

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Laurenmarie - one question. As I said, I don't use Perricone's topicals, but I am curious which ingredients are acne-causing, so I know to avoid them in other products. The ingredients listed in his cleanser are:
Water, Butylene glycol, Glycolic acid, Dimethyl MEA, Cetyl alcohol, Tyrosine, Stearyl alcohol, Sodium laureth sulfate, Propylene glycol, Camellia oleifera (Green Tea) Extract, Diazolidinyl urea, Xanthan gum, Methylparaben, Allantoin, Bisabolol, Propylparaben and Disodium EDTA.

Which are the ones to avoid?

Thanks,
Craig

posted 10-27-2003 09:34 AM            

You should do a search as many of them have eliminated some of the nasty pore clogging ingredients and preservatives that Dr P's products have.

I product that I and many posters (on another board) love is a similar but all natural product from puredeming (do a search) - it's called the intense gel and really is super.

Maya

posted 10-27-2003 09:50 AM            

Dr P clearly states that in the most important order.. this is what you should do for your acne:

1. Change diet
2. Add supplements
3. Add topicals

That makes sense - some people are working backwards off this list - you may find that diet is enough to clear you, if not.. add the supplements .. and if you need a little extra help.. then go for the topicals.

By the way, I had moderate cystic acne for nearly 10 years .. I became 95% clear around a year ago from moving to a high protein (not fish I will add) and low carb diet and also added supplements. Unfortunately, by that time I was covered in scars!! And still have many indents that I am working on now via a derm/surgeon. In the past, every single cyst ended up as a indented scar.

I will still get the odd spot/cyst now and again - but amazingly, they do not turn into scars anymore. I hadn't realised the connection until I read Dr Ps book - but he states that taking ALA and Vit C and Zinc internally helps to STOP scar formation. I have been taking those supplements for a year .. and I guess that's why I don't get new scars from new spots anymore.

Hope that helps someone - if you are breaking out badly, add those supplements and hopefully when you clear, you won't have to go through years of dealing with deep scars.

posted 10-29-2003 02:46 AM            

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Originally posted by sdubnow5:
Maya, and any one else out there:
how much of Zinc, ALA, and C do you take? I am currently taking N-acetyle cysteine(pre curser to Glutothione) has anyone tried this?

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I take 2 grams of Vit C
50 mg of zinc
100-200 mg of ALA
All above split into 2 doses and with food

And yes, I do take NAC now and again too - it's a good liver detoxer and gets rid of heavy metals (I eat quite a bit of fish)

posted 10-29-2003 05:59 AM            

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I have weird skin, dry, itchy, small bumps and blackheads, ... Also my skin is ultra sensitive and Proactive caused alot of peeling and itchiness. Does anyone out there have similar skin as me and what moisturizer do you use?[/B]

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Get some 100% emu oil. A good brand is skin biology - but there may be others out there that are similar. It is an amazing moisteriser and definately doesn't break me out - also, it is antibacterial, so will help with acne. It's excellent for dry skin - only need to use a little, massage it in at night and leave it on all night. It may be a little greasy under makeup, but if you don't wear makeup, put some on in the day too.