posted 07-21-2003 04:21 PM            

[This message has been edited by wowser2003 (edited 07-22-2003).]

posted 07-23-2003 11:22 AM            

I could be very off-track in my theory, but I'm looking for some logical explanation as to why PPP only occur in some males, and most notably, why it occurs more frequently in non-circumcised males. If someone can disprove my theory then we're at least a step closer to finding the cause. I'm not ready to make any announcements about the lemon juice as treatment just yet.

There is some evidence suggesting PPP is not purely a genetic variant in males. For instance, there are reported cases where out of two identical twin males, only 1 had PPP.

Another very important point is that PPP has only been observed in males after adolescence. About the same time sperm production kicks in. There are alot of other changes in the body that occur at that time, but this is the one I'll start with.

It would be nearly impossible to stop small amounts of urine and semen getting down behind the glans, especially when you're are asleep.

It's not so much the actual sperm cells - it's the alkalinity of semen which I think may be responsible.

Smegma production is based behind the glans and some circumsied men still produce smegma. Very little is known about smegma because its properties change as soon as it is exposed to air. There could very well be an unknown reaction between smegma/urine, smegma/sperm that causes a dermatological abnormality.

Some of us need to start putting on our thinking caps because the medical community doesn't seem to care about our PPP. They seem to be insensitive to the fact that PPP can easily be mistaken for a sexually transmitted disease.

posted 07-23-2003 06:24 PM            

I am a circumcised male(one of the unlucky few it seems)and I have a feeling that PPP is started or aided by too much masturbation.In my case the skin around the glans was raw very often.It seems as if this aggrevated the skin and was possibly the catalyst for the start of PPP.

An interesting point to note is that PPP occurs around the rim of the penis.This is where your normal skin from your shaft meets the different skin from the penis head.It seems as if these things occur where the two skin types "blend" together.It makes me wonder if the cause of PPP is not the "reaction" between these skin types,possibly aided by irritation from over masturbation.Just a theory,but something to think about!

Hey,where are all the guys that started this forum on PPP!Come on guys,it would be nice to hear from you!

How was the outcome of the guy who had them burnt off with a laser?Is there any scarring at all?Did it get all of them?

posted 07-24-2003 12:44 PM            

Hey Guys (the ones that helped form the first 7 pages) we really need you to chip in with anything that you know about urology or any viable theories.

posted 07-24-2003 02:42 PM            

!! ive thought about the masterbation causing it to, and i cant stop masterbating either, but that theory is controdictable to me because alot of people have them on there scrotum to

posted 07-24-2003 05:11 PM            

Stopping masturbation will not cause PPP to go away but they might get just a bit smaller if they are not red and inflamed.Its like closing the barn door after the cattle have escaped.

When I get more time I will try and find out more about the two types of skin that cover the penis,namely the skin on the head and on the shaft.

An interesting thing to note is that my ex girlfriend had spots that look like fordyce spots on her nipples.

It is said that 33% of men have PPP.Is this a fact,and if so who did the research,and how many men were examined?It just seems so strange that this is so hush hush.Or could it be that most men are too unobservent to even notice that they have them?

posted 07-25-2003 10:59 AM            

also i was wondering for those of us who have applied something to our ppp that actually makes them smaller: could you list them and any key ingredients that may be found there in a small amount but could be found in something else in larger amounts. I think if we could find what makes them smaller and apply it in a larger concentration than we should be able to kill them.

also i wanted to know if everyone has two more prominent bumps around the center of their row that seem to be larger than the rest of the other bumps. i've noticed that the two middle bumps are rather large when compared to the other 38 bumps which are quite small.

i've been thinking a lot lately and anything that comes to my mind i will try but it has to be something that would make since. kind of hoping a higher power would provide me with the key so lately i've been thinking about applying beer to them but none of my dad's bottles were open so i applied courvosier(i don't think that's how to spell it) and they got truly smaller. he usually drinks on friday so while he isn't looking i'll dip a q-tip into one of his beers (lol). where do u find the largest concentration of ethanol alcohol, maybe that's the key.

posted 07-25-2003 11:45 PM            

To make this easier for everyone, we need to start making clear definitions between Sebaceous prominence and PPP.

posted 07-27-2003 12:36 PM            

Found websites offering the silver, however on my attempts to search for the 9 volt battery related "shock" system, I was unsuccesful. Could you ask your friend exactly where he purchased his equipment, at what strengths and in what form?

Also, how close of a friend to you is he?
- just curious.

posted 07-27-2003 03:20 PM            

Also, thought I should mention it here too... I have compiled a list of 150+ email addresses of people whose positions in the world effect how money is deligated to research, which research is given attention, and basic health officials. If anyone wants this list inorder to send emails to these people and make them aware of Fordyce's Granules and PPP, please respond with your email addresses and I will forward the lists to you. Only email addresses I am having problems finding is that of top rated employees of pharamaceutical firms/research labs.

The more people know, the better off we all are.

posted 07-27-2003 08:54 PM            

Really hope you can find something positive from your meeting, maybe mention this website and tell him how large this topic is and what people really really feel bout these things!

posted 07-28-2003 12:59 PM            

When list is complete, it will have approx. 1,000
email addresses on it, encompassing dermatologists, government health officials, university health professors, contributors to the new england journal of medicine, previous/current researchers/research institutes investigating PPP/Fordyce (or more broad ranges of skin related problems), Pharmaceutical Companies, and much much more.

If this list was distributed with the right program
to 50 people even, that's 50, 000 messages sent world wide. 50000!! That's alot ore public notice and direct notice to those who can make a difference. I've been researching my Fordyce condition for years on the internet, and this was the first month inwhich I found this place. Let's be realistic, most suffering from PPP or Fordyce don't voice it, don't even research it after the fact that their dermatologist says it can't be cured, or let alone don't even know it's not "normal". Anyhow, raising issues and making people aware is the only way we stand a chance. Sure we can talk about methods we all find out from friends or doctors we know locally, but realistically change will only occur when you and many others want it to.

Sorry - If I seem to be imposing my views and opinions onto others. Everyone is entitled their opinion, however I am quite confident that through doing this, we will get results, results that will satisfy the thousands of people suffering from PPP/Fordyce's Spots.

Over and Out!

posted 07-29-2003 04:23 AM            

Anyway I've read the whole thread and looked at a bunch of info on the net. Have this problem too but not as bad as some of the pictures you can find on the net. Here's what I've gathered:

1)THIS NEEDS TO BE COVERED IN SEX ED!!!!
If one in ten men appear to have a STD but DO NOT, it should be COVERED IN SEX ED. Both guys and girls need to be informed of this.

2)You guys are wasting your time with the iodine, toothpaste, etc.
What you're doing is temporarily drying out your skin. When that new layer of skin appears on your penis it will be tighter and the bumps less pronounced, but it's not solving anything permanently. The skin will loosen over a few days and you'll be back to square one.

3)These doctors are idiots
The only reason why they tell you to suck it up and move on is because they don't have a solution for it and it doesn't appear to be infectious or harmful--physically.

That and these jerks are so happy when they see someone having problems with getting laid. They treat so many STDs that's part of the reason why they encourage masturbating so much, because it's safe. If 1 in 10 guys have serious problems getting laid because if this, it just makes the doctor's job that much easier. This may be tied to observation #1.

4)It may partially caused by excessive masturbation
I noticed mine when I first started masturbating. The only time I ever noticed them go down was on the rare occaision that I was able to quit for a few weeks. They're always bigger and more pronounced after I get done masturbating. I don't have the whiteheads on the actual head area, just red bumps that seem to be the result of irritation.

The problem is quitting masturbating may not solve it since sex is really no different physically. Sex actually would probably be more stressful on penis tissue since you go at it longer with a girl(at least I try to haha).

Still though I've cut jerking off down to once a week and trying to cut down more, hoping the lack of irritation to that part of my penis will help alleviate it. But man is it hard to cut back any longer than a week. It's just the way we are. Best way I find is to just keep busy. Doctors don't talk about but if you jerk off alot it probably means you have either too much time on your hands or not enough friends.

4)Girls have body issues too
Maybe it doesn't help. I don't know. But I do know that girls have tons of insecurities about their bodies as well, especially in the private areas. Aside from saggy tits, flat chests, weight problems and cellulite, they also have vaginal secretions, ugly vaginas, stinky vaginas, etc.

I don't know if pointing out her imperfections is necessarily going to help you but keep in mind that they have their share of hangups too. For a girl to pitch a whine about your body as if her own is perfect is a bit ridiculous though.

5)Take control as much as you can
Some guys have mentioned only having sex in the dark and not letting girls go down on them. That sucks but it's pretty much what I've done. It's actually advisable to wear a condom even during oral so you could put it on beforehand and it would hopefully be enough to cover up the bumpage.

Second thing would be and I know this sounds unheard of these days, is to stop trying to be such a playah. Get one girl, hold off for awhile and break it to her a slow as you can. You have the proof right here on the net of this condition and with a doctor's report/blood test result onhand you should have enough insurance.

So, you won't be able get random blowjobs from anonymous honeys and you would have to be careful with the girls you do get on with. Maybe that is kind of a good thing?

6)There's got to be another cure besides lazing
I think there's something going on here that is caused by oil and bodily fluid secretion out of the pores of the skin. Most of the guys who have it are uncircumcised and if I was uncut that'd be the first thing I'd get taken care of if it's causing infection or excess bodily secretions.

Keeping that area dry and clean seems to help; one solution not yet mentioned here is the stuff used to cure JOCK ITCH. I'm thinking about buying a bottle of that spray on powder and trying that. Who knows maybe there's some kind of bacterial infection causing it and jock itch spray is cleared for use on your private area. More people should also try taking antibiotics.

7)THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY NEEDS TO GET ON THIS
This goes with the last point. Besides lazing all I've seen are a bunch of witch doctor "cures". I don't know about you guys but I'm hesistant to put random chemicals on my thing. With all the different ways of treating skin ailments/conditions, surely researches could find a way to at least alleviate if totally eradicate it without pointing a lazer at it.

posted 07-29-2003 05:07 PM            

The best lead we have right now is the high occurence in uncircumcised guys. Long before I ever worried about this I had heard that circumcision was not just practiced out of cultural/religous reasons but also because a cut penis is easier to keep clean and free of infection.

With the head end of the penis being covered in skin most of the time on uncut guys it may cause the pores to either get infected or the glands to overproduce/secrete fluid. My arm was in a cast one time for six weeks and after it was taken off there was a layer of dried oil on my arm and it had broken out pretty bad. I think there's a connection there.

But, walking around naked most of the time to air it out is PROBABLY out of the question. Not wearing underwear is really uncomfortable for me so I'm ruling that out. I really am thinking jock itch/athletes foot spray-on powder might be worth trying. It's actually made to applied to that area and the key ingredient to fighting bacterial infection on the skin's surface/middle layers in your jock and feet is to keep them dry and clean.

Could baby powder/talcum work too? Worth a shot I guess since our overpaid health professionals aren't lifting a finger to help. I'd rather put baby powder on it than keep walking around worried about my bumpy shlong.

Now personally I'm cut but I had bad acne problems as a teenager on up to when I was 19 years old, at that point I took accutane. I don't remember it relieving PPP at all but I was masturbating alot at the time(I hate admitting that but for this I'm willing) though my acne did clear up.

I was diagnosed with having an overactive body oil producing gland. Even though my acne is gone I still have dry, oily skin and still get the occaisional zit.

posted 07-31-2003 07:34 AM            

One thing I must stress is the this method is extremely painful (for a few seconds) because the penis is quite sensitive.

On a different note, I think Tiger Balm may offer similar but less painful result. In the past, when this medicine was applied on my face, the skin that's treated would become peelable. I don't know why, but it always happened to me.

posted 08-01-2003 05:17 PM            

Yes you do bleed a very little and yes your lip will swell up a little,but it is not bad at all and it does work.Just try it on a big one and after that you will want to do the rest!

It goes without saying that you should only do a small patch at a time,let that skin heal,then move on.It may take two or more weeks for the skin to heal,but be patient and reap the rewards of a fordyce free lip.

MATTISCOOL2002- this is for you
I know how bad your case is and feel for you man.I have read probably all of your posts in the mens health section.
I know it seems like there is so much wrong that you will never come right.
Just start by popping a few of these fordyce spots.I know you have lots,but with determination you will eventually get rid of them.It is going to be a little painful but it is worth it.Burst them out in small clumps if you have to.Just dont do too many at one sitting,it has to be a long term goal.It does take a bit of technique,but is easy once you get the hang of it.I will do the rest of my lip over the course of the rest of the year.The PPP you and I have will probably have to stay,but if you got circumsised it would get rid of the fordyce spots on your foreskin.If you went to gym and trained your upper body it would make your wide hips look smaller.I go 5 days a week ,every week for 2 hours per day.I have been doing this for 2 years now and have confidence that I look good.What I am trying to say is that life is what you make of it,you can sit behind your computer feeling sorry for yourself ,or get up and start making small changes that will eventually turn into big changes.I dont mean to sound like im lecturing you,my intention is just to get you motivated so you can start feeling better about yourself.