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Gevity
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posted 06-25-2003 03:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gevity     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A couple of facts I found out about HPV.

The Bad News:

HPV infection is extremely common.
- It is estimated that at any given time 20-40 million Americans are infected.
- Over a typical college career approximately 60% of sexually active women will become infected. While it is assumed that a similar number of men are also infected, there are no good statistics as it is harder to test for HPV in men than women.

Cancer of the cervix is almost always caused by HPV infection (high risk strains).

Since HPV is transmitted by close genital contact, condoms provide some, but little, protection against infection.

There is no test that can guarantee that anyone (particularly men) are not infected with HPV.

HPV infection is particularly serious in those with an immune disorder (e.g. HIV/AIDS)

The Good News:

The large majority of people cure themselves (usually without ever knowing that they had been infected). Average length of time from infection to cure is about 8 months. Most times, if low risk HPV is detected in a woman without symptoms, we would recommend only "watchful waiting" as treatment.

Early changes on the cervix which could lead to cancer are nearly always discovered on Pap tests.

Warts, if they develop, are usually treatable.

The HPV virus is so common that it can almost be considered normal to have it.

HPV, as well as other STIs, is no more common at Rutgers University than other similar institutions.

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posted 06-25-2003 09:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shucks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is a thread with MORE info that was made check out Q&A about HPV.

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posted 06-26-2003 08:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gevity     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I Know I just posted this to let people know that if they keep their health up their body can easily get rid of the virus in a short period of time.But I should have posted it in the HPV Q&A...My bad!

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posted 06-26-2003 09:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gevity     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is it possible for the HPV virus to leave your body completely?

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posted 06-26-2003 09:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for shucks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HPV will NEVER leave your body however you can put it to sleep, however it can wake up again.

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posted 06-26-2003 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for devastated     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have read some articles that some people with good immune systems will eliminate the virus from their system, or "self cure", and I did have one gyn that told me that. I truly have no idea if this is true. 99% of what I have read and heard about HPV says that once you have it, you always will have it. I have been completely symptom free for almost 10 years, but as far as I am concerned, and with every new partner I have had, I have always told them that I have it.

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posted 06-26-2003 05:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shucks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes if you have a good immune system you can keep it under control where you will be safe however that does NOT mean that the virus is gone...it just means the virus is asleep...

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posted 06-28-2003 12:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sadgirl222     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by shucks:
Yes if you have a good immune system you can keep it under control where you will be safe however that does NOT mean that the virus is gone...it just means the virus is asleep...

Not necessarily...I do not have HPV, but I have heard MANY times that the body can "self cure" itself of this virus and others. Of course there is no known medical cure, but the body/mind is a powerful thing. There was a Dr./Gyn. on a talk show a few days ago talking about how HPV is the most common STD and the body has the ability to eradicate it, or "self cure" it.

Thinking you are stuck with a lifelong virus is not a healthy way to think. YES--it is important to tell partners you have been exposed, but NEVER stop believing that you will rid your body of it. Also, check out natural herbs for different viruses, they are VERY promising and have very good results--unfortunately the medical industry has not done enough research on humans with them, and even if they do it will take forever to test them for cures/treatments.

Learning all about "potential" cures/treatments, rather natural or not, is very important to stay positive. I believe any of us with a "lifelong" virus have the ability to rid our bodies of it!!!!

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posted 06-28-2003 10:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for shucks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted 06-28-2003 10:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for shucks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Cure it? well you can put it to sleep, but that does NOT mean it is cured.

Explain then to the people who had have an out break and then it goes away for many years, and suddendly it comes back....this is when the virus wakes up.

True you can put the virus asleep for good sometimes it will NEVER come back.

See I have HPV, so I had to do anything and everything to educate myself in this subject....from professionals....

You say it is not a healthy way to think, but yet it is fine to think you will be cured and once they are gone one will think ok i am cured....then suddendly years later they come back....now this is NOT healthy to think yes it is curable, because once they are gone one will think they are cured and when they come back without their knowledge because they think cured can pass it to another person....


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posted 06-28-2003 11:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for shucks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is some facts and proof that it is NOT curable...remember the virus does NOT live in the blood...


"There is no cure for HPV. HPV is very treatable, though no one treatment is right or the same for everyone. HPV does regress or go into a low term remission. At this time no one know what the virus does. At this time HPV is not found in any test. HPV is many times controlled by the bodies own immunity. HPV can reactivate and many times does after years of sleep. HPV many times reactivates when your immunity is impaired such as with age, sickness, depression and pregancy. When the virus is in low-term remission it is not as contagious, but the virus can be transmissed at this time through the bodies natural shedding process. No one know when this happens. In a committed long term relationship HPV should present no problem each person share the others virus. Each partner understanding the risks and having encourgaing regular check ups for both parties. Until we are sure that HPV is 100% elimated from the body we must assume we can be contagious informing all sex partners of the virus and allowing that person to choose. Thousands and thousands of people have a virus reactivate after many years in a dormant stage. Until testing is approved and we know 100% we are not contagious we must assume we can transmit the viurs. The virus enters the body through a cut, scratch or micro-brasion during sex. Lubrications do help in preventing these microbrasions. TSH"

again it states that one can put it to sleep "remission".

Here is another one.

"Is HPV curable?

There is no known cure for HPV. However, eventually the immune system does repress it by reducing it to a low level. At the point of natural suppression, it would be unlikely for a person to transmit the virus. Researchers don't know whether it is actually ever fully eliminated from the body, but at any rate it quits being contagious after a while. The time it takes to get to this point varies from person to person, according to their immune system. The longer you have gone without having symptoms, the more likely it is that your body is reducing the viral levels. HPV does not tend to be persistent in most cases, and most people who have contracted it are not thought to be permanently contagious.

In practical terms, this means that eventually you can look forward to having sex with someone withOUT giving them the "gift." But you should still tell your partners, because there's no real way of telling how long this can take. I've read that it could be as little as 6-18 months, but I've also heard of people who had no symptoms for years and then had sex with a virgin and bam! the virgin had it. So you can't be sure. The healthier you are, the shorter time it will be."

This says basically the same thing however it also says that one can put it to sleep and down the road the virus wakens and can pass it to another.

I am just giving you this information, because what you have provided is not all truth...it is NOT curable, however it can be undercolled.

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posted 06-29-2003 12:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sadgirl222     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I am just giving you this information, because what you have provided is not all truth...it is NOT curable, however it can be undercolled.

Ok...so just because YOU quoted this from WHEREVER, YOU are RIGHT, huh??!!

Of course that is the known fact about HPV, I was only stating that there are doctors out there who seem to have proof that the virus has in some circumstances been eradicated from the body. While this might be new evidence, it is exciting and provides those with it to have hope. If one doctor in a far off country finds a cure for a disease--it will take forever for the US to test the "cure" and approve it and if it's not a life threatening illness they might find it unworthy of funding. I just like to think that people have the ability to cure themselves if they really believe they can.

And if you read what I wrote, I said of course it is important to tell future partners you've been exposed, until there is PROOF that you don't have the virus anymore...

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posted 06-29-2003 12:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shucks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There will NEVER be proof why? because first off the warts can be gone and you go get checked out and the doctor says ok they are gone you dont have HPV anymore....but then years down the road....what happens? the warts comes back. How is one going to determined if one has it or not if the warts are not visible? You cant test it if the warts are not visible, because the virsus does NOT live in the blood....

You stated that I posted some quotes and does that make it right? Well you are giving out hearsay so does YOUR statement make that right? all I did was provided something that supported what 4 doctors told me...yeah I got the quotes from a site, however I guess the 4 doctors that told me others believe that too.....

Anyways giving someone false hope is not good. True the warts can come once and leave and NEVER come back and that is good, however it is VERY important to know that THEY can come back...it has happened numberious of times.

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I just want to add this shouldnt be a debate it will loose the total importance of the issuse that is being discussed....

It is very important for one to know that Warts can come back it is proven that people has many reoccurances.

There was a person who had hpv had one occurence and the warts left. She thought she was cured (had your theory) because they never came back....10 years later the warts came back... was she living in false hope? The virus is KNOWN to come back, but NOT in all cases, but that doesnt mean one is cured it just means the virus is asleep (which is almost the same thing as being cured I guess, but still it can come again)...being cured means that the virus will NEVER come back again...well how do you explain about the others who have had reoccurences like my friend?

If there was a cure then these people would NOT have reoccurences....right? Granted some people has only expeirenced a ONE time thing and never again did they have this problem (well NOT yet anyways), BUT that does NOT mean they are cured from the virus. It is NOT safe to say one is cured from HPV, because they can always come back.

Please dont take my post as a debate, for this is NOT the place to do so however when one says it is curable when there has been many casses with multiple reoccurences that is kind of risky to say it is curable when looking at the times people has had many outbreaks...dont you think?

People has went to alot of doctors to get different opions lets say one person goes to five different doctors 4 say the same thing and 1 says something different but that person likes that doctor that said something different, because it fitted his/her whilm and gave him hope.., but then later to find out that ONE doctor was wrong. what do we do in this case? should we follow the other doctors that say the same thing or one docotor that gave us an answer that we like????

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posted 06-29-2003 11:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sadgirl222     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok...I did not say there was "cure" I said there are doctors out there publicly announcing that they have proof where the body rids the virus itself...withOUT medicine...There are ways of measuring viral shedding even when the virus shows no symptoms...

OF COURSE THERE ARE SOME people with recurrances!! I did NOT say there is a cure or everyone would go and get it! I simply am providing information I have learned from doctors as well. They aren't saying the body rids itself of the virus meaning it is asleep...they are saying it rids itself of the virus in SOME KNOWN CIRCUMSTANCES!

Just giving people something to be hopeful about and to look into for themselves

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posted 06-29-2003 11:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shucks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I am in agreement that some people with good immune system can get rid of warts without medication, but this does not prove that the person is cured.

I am in agreement some people may ONLY have warts one time and NEVER come back, but this still doesnt prove that they are cured (well I guess in a way it is).

I am in agreement that there is hope by keeping the virus undercontroll by having a good immune system and when they are wart free they can have healthy realiships with that someone special and do some bed talk (if you know what I mean), but this does NOT prove they are cured.

When I say "asleep" I mean there will be NO symtoms of the virus and will be tested that the virsus is "gone", but this doesnt mean they are cured. Maybe this is what YOUR source is meaning??? Because when the virus is ASLEEP there are NO symtoms at ALL....You are even considered safe, BUT there is that chance of having reoccurences...

I think there is a misunderstanding in what you are providing, because as you mentioned "where the body rids the virus itself...withOUT medicine" well this is when I say the virus is asleep...as I said before cure means that it will NEVER EVER come back...and this is NOT true, BUT what IS true there are cases where it does NOT ever come back so I guess in YOUR words your statement is true in that effect ...but not safe to say it is cured, because of the numberious of times of others getting reoccurences....

Yes there is hope I never stated there wasnt...if you read above I have numberious of times said that there is times when one person will ONLY have ONE breakout and NEVER again have it after they got rid of the warts.

Like myself I have had ONLY ONE breakout and I have been wartfree for a little over a year, does that mean I am cured? No, it just means that the virus is asleep, and that I have NO symtoms what so ever, and if I go get tested then the test will show that I dont have HPV, so it is hopeful that I may have a chance of not getting them again........however I know that there is a possiblity that the virus can wake up and boom I have HPV.

What I am saying is basically what you are saying about NOT having ANY symtoms and can live happy, but the wording that you chose "cure" means that IT WILL NEVER COME BACK EVER AGAIN....the wording I chose "asleep" is that it could come back again....Which word is safe to say? Asleep or cured?

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posted 06-30-2003 12:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for shucks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sadgirl I wanted to bring out the importance of why it isnt wise to make others believe that the body can get rid of the virus without medication/treatment, and that is because that one person may think that since the body can do this and they may think they could be one of the posiblities that they dont need treatement, and leave it untreated. Here is what can happen when they have this mindset and that is 1)the warts doesnt go away. 2)could multiply 3)can lead to cancer (this is very important for one to know and should NOT think that they could be one of the few that the body can "cure" itself).

I believe that the person should get treated once and when they spot a wart....

Dont you think?

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I HAVE NEVER BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH HPV BY A TEST. I HAVE NEVER HAD ANY INTERNAL OR EXTERNAL WARTS IN ANY WAY. I HAVE HOWEVER HAD AN ABNORMAL PAP SMEAR ABOUT 3 YEARS AGO THEN HAD A COLPOSCOPY, BIOPSY AND THEN A LASER CONE BIOPSY TO BE RID OF THE ABNORMAL CELLS. I HAVE HAD PAP SMEARS EVERY 3 MONTHS FOR THE 1ST YEAR AFTER SURGERY THEN MY OB/GYN SAID TO START COMING BACK YEARLY. HE DID TELL ME THAT IF THE BODY IS GIVEN AROUND 6MONTHS-2YEARS THE BODY CAN GET RID OF THIS VIRUS ON ITS OWN ALTHOUGH THERE IS NO MEDICINE TO CURE IT. HE SAID THE YOUNGER ONE IS AND THE HEALTHIER THE BETTER CHANCE I HAVE OF CURING MYSELF. I HAVE NEVER HAD ANOTHER PROBLEM. THE DOC SAID THAT DOCTORS ONCE THOUGHT THAT THIS VIRUS WAS SOMETHING THAT ONCE U HAD IT U ALWAYS HAD IT BUT IN RECENT YEARS IT HAS BEEN PROVEN MORE OFTEN THEN NOT THAT THE BODY DOES IN FACT CURE ITSELF.

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