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jubug
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posted 09-12-2002 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jubug     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I suffer from psoriasis and have developed the arthritis that is associated with it in the joints of my hands. I believe it is called psoratic arthritis. I am looking for anyone who has the same and what they do to help the discomfort. I try not to take arthritis medication I have for it because it is hard on the stomach. I am looking for ideas on what foods may trigger it.

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posted 09-12-2002 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dawnrise     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's not often you come across a person with psoriatic arthritis. I have been dealing with psoriatic arthritis for about 19 years. At first it was only in one knee then one day I fell on a curb and I believe that fall really triggered things and it just spread like wildfire. I have it in my feet, knees, elbows, hands and wrists. At one time it was so bad that I could barely get out of bed. My rheumatologist put me on methotrexate and it worked wonders. Although it slowed the progress down my joints continue to get worse. I've had surgery on my knee and my thumb. I wish I could give you some advice as to what you could to help with the discomfort. I've just learned to deal it. I do have one of those wax therapy contraptions which makes my hands and/or feet feel really good. I don't know of any food triggers. The only thing that flares mine up is if I overuse the joint(s). Good luck with any meds, therapies, etc. I know how you feel.

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posted 09-13-2002 04:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soulsister75     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi!

My dad has psoriatic arthritis. His arthritic symptoms stopped after 4 years of gold injections; during that time his other wrist had to be operated though.

Now he still has psoriasis as he lives in Lapland where there's hardly any sunlight during the winter and summers are usually quite short. He used to take holidays in Southern Europe to help his skin problems.

I think I have psoriatic arthritis too although i was diagnosed with RA as I didn't have any skin symptoms back then. later on however i've clearly had psoriasis in my elbows but have been able to take care of it with lotion. we'll see. as for my arthritis i haven't yet found a med that would work. MTX helped for a while but couldn't hold back a new attack. i'm still looking for a solution myself too.

Maybe gold injections might be worth trying, if you can't take any oral medication for the arthritis? i tried gold but it didn't help me (although i guess you should take it for a longer time, i only did for 1,5 years)

Wishing you all the best,

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posted 09-16-2002 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jubug     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the reply. it is nice to know that I am not alone. It is hard to find people who have simmilar conditions.
I know that I do have food that triggers psoriasis. I love oatmeal, but too many days of it and I get severe flareups.
I guess that everyone has different symptoms.
Thanks dawnrise for telling me other joints that could be effected. I never thought about the knees, I too have a sore knee, but the doctors just said it was rough knee caps, I'll have to look into that.
And soulsister75, I've never heard of gold injections. I can understand the problem with lack of sunlight, no one with psoriasis does well in the winter.
Thanks again.

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posted 09-16-2002 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dawnrise     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
jubug...you didn't mention how bad your psoriasis is/was. Just wondering what you've done, are doing or
meds you're taking to help with it. I have tried numerous things in the past with no real improvement. I started going to a tanning salon and it cleared up completely. It's been in remission now for about 1-1/2 years. And yes, winters were always worse. Best of luck to you.

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posted 09-19-2002 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Frogsmouth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dawnrise, I have a friend and she was severly arthritic and her body was covered in sores.The meds made her really ill and they have bad liver side effects. She too was directed by her doctor to tann at a salon or on the beach a few times a week she is clear right now and back to work . who would have known . I hope this information helps alot of people

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posted 09-26-2002 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jubug     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mt psorasis on my skin has been a constant war, but I do not have it that bad. I combat some with diprosalic(hope I spelt it right) lotion and watch what shampoo I use. My nails are affected on 4 fingers, and I stay away from nail polish. My arthritis is the worse in my hands, but I do knit to help keep my joints flexible, and watch my diet as well.
I guess that I try trial and error.

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posted 10-07-2002 05:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for JillT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jubug - I have been suffering with Psoriatic Arthritis for about 14 years now and yes it is getting progressively worse. One of the things that I have found helps is to reduce the amount of dairy products that I eat. Other foods that can affect you are: Tomatoes, Eggplant and Potatoes as they are all part of the deadlynightshade family. But really it is a case of trial and error to find things that help you. Hope you are coping - personally if I could only get rid of the incessant pain even for a few days that would be a great help.
With best wishes.

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posted 10-09-2002 08:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jubug     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
JiilT,
Thanks for the information. I too know that the nightshade vegetables are really hard for arthritis sufferers. Tomatoes trigger pain in my hands when I eat too many, and that is usually in the summer when they are fresh, because that is the only time I really eat them.
I don't eat much dairy because I find that it bothers my psoriasis. My weekness is only cheese, and that I have rarely.
I too wish that you could get rid of the pain. This summer I had pain daily, so I took out my knitting needles and knit dishclothes because they were easy and light to hold. It did help ease the pain, as I kept my hands moving.
Thanks again, it is great to hear from others with psoratic arthritis.

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Hi! I just found the Health Board tonight & am so happy to see there is a place to go to read about the concerns of others! This is directed to all, specifically Jugbug, I have Psoriatic arthritis and have had it for over 40 years. I have a very severe case and have been homebound and even wheelchair bound for many years. It prevented me from holding and caring for my last,and third child, 30 years ago. It stopped me from my life's work, Nursing, and prevented me from doing just about everything, including getting out of a chair by myself, cutting up even a pancake, etc. by myself. I have taken every drug that was available, Nsaids, gold shots, methotrexate for 5 yrs, pennicillamine, cortisone, and more. I've had lots of serious side effects but had to keep trying! Finally, in March of 1999, my Rheumatologist started me on a brand new drug, Enbrel, which is an injection (painless!) you self administer, twice a week. It has worked miracles in my life!!! I can do almost everything again. This drug stops the disease. And stops most all of the pain!! It cannot undo the physical damage that has been done, i.e. my fingers and other joints will always be very deformed and crooked, but the pain and the actual disease process has been halted. I've been lucky, NO side effects in 3 & 1/2 years. If this fails to work someday, there is another great drug, in tablet form, taken once every eight weeks, I think, called Remicade. There is much hope for Psoriatic and Rheumatoid arthritis today and I tell everyone not to fear getting it nowdays. (Incidentally, Psoratic arthritis is a sister of rheumatoid arthritis they're so closely related.) The worst is over for all of us! I thank God every minute of everyday that I feel better and help came in my lifetime. Call your Rheumatologist today, insist on trying this medicine, it may change your life like it's changed mine. We have to take control of our own lives and our healthcare.

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posted 11-08-2002 05:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dawnrise     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sukers...I was excited to hear that there's another med out there for psoriatic arthritis and especially that you're doing so much better. That is great news. I've been dealing w/psoriatic arthritis for about 20 years. My rheumatologist has tried a couple diff. meds over the years but he never went out of his way to really help me. Methotrexate slowed it down a lot but was changed to Imuran because I thought the meth was causing me to lose my hair. (I think it's hormonal at this time) Anyway, last 2-3 visits (had to go every 16 weeks) I've asked him if there was anything he could do for the pain. No, only cortisone shots. I've tried those and they don't last long enough for me to pay that kind of money. I had a deformed thumb and asked him if anything could be done (it looked horrible and it embarrassed me) and what was his reply...."no." Well, guess what I found a hand surgeon who could fix it as best as it could be fixed and it looks a lot better. Can anything be done about my tiredness ...
"no, just something you have to deal with." Every time I asked him if there was something that could help me he told me "no." So for 5 minutes a visit we go through the same ole routine (checking joints, etc) and writing any regular scrips I need and sends me off. And charges $75. Thank goodness for insurance. Well, finally got fed up cuz I knew in my heart that there had to be something else out there so I had my family doctor refer me to a bigger city rheumatologist. It's not for another couple months but I'm not giving this doctor any more of my money. So you have given me hope.

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posted 11-08-2002 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sukers     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Dawnrise, First of all I'm thrilled you've regained some hope, which is of the utmost importance in living with arthritis! And secondly, congratulations on changing Rheumatologists! It didn't sound as if you were getting anything positive from your old doc. A suggestion for dealing with your new Dr. would be to start off by sharing with him what happened with your old doc and how awful he made you feel when he dismissed your symptoms as if there were no hope in dealing with them. Let him know what your expectations of him will be and how you hope to work as a "TEAM." He or she will be able to tell you about these new, very helpful meds. and you'll be on your way to a new start!
As for the pain. My family Dr. and my Rheumatologist talked together and then reccommended me to a Pain clinic nearby. This has been so wonderful, I have other things wrong with me too and my pain is treated well. They look at the total person & whatever you may have wrong with you. There are many avenues of help for all of us, we just need to become aware of what's out there and take advantage of them. I wish you luck with your new adventure and with your health. Please keep us posted on how you do with your new Doctor.


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posted 11-12-2002 02:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jubug     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sukers, Thanks too for the hope of medication. I've only was diagnosed 2 years ago, and so far staying away from or limiting what I eat has helped. I am so happy that you have found relief from the pain. I can only imagine what you have gone thru. Thank you so much for telling us your story, it makes me feel better knowing that there are other people out there with the same problems. Isn't the internet a wonderful advancement for us to reach out to others. Thank you so much.

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posted 01-27-2003 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Country Girl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have had this condition for 4 years. The only thing I have been able to take is methotrexate. I was on Vioxx for about a year but it caused blood pressure problems so I had to quit that. I have the middle joint in my middle finger left hand fused due to the arthritis and it isn't fun

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posted 01-28-2003 09:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for janetf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow Country girl,
The upper joints in several of my fingers are now swollen with bone spurs. I am waiting for the rheumy to send my Embrel prescription in the mail so I can sent it to my drug plan. I hope this helps me.

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posted 01-29-2003 05:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Country Girl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
janetf

I hope it helps you, I tried Remicade injections but it didn't help and was very expensive. Luckily my insurance paid for it.

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I've had psoriasis for 32 years. I still remember the very day I got my first break out. I was 8 years old and I was with my mom, her friend, and her friend's son, at vacation at the ocean. I remember getting my first sun burn that weekend as well. It was my first time seeing an ocean.

That weekend it started. I quite literally woke up with it. I had patches on my knees and elbows, and I had it all over the palms of my hands and the soles of my feet (and ankles).

I suffered with it on and off for years as my mother hauled me off to various derms, who usually prescribed coal tar preps for the druggist to mix up. I bagged and wrapped in saran wrap every night (all this while I'm in first, second, third and fourth grades).

I had periods where it got worse, got better, got asymptomatic, then reappeared. The worse episode I ever had, my entire body was covered (including genital region) except my face. It lasted 2 years. My doctors couldn't accurately diagnose me because I showed some symptoms not in line with just psori. I went on various forms of chemotherapy, I also did PUVA light treatments (which were very cutting edge at the time). I had to wear special protective glasses every day. My treatments were 3 times a week, PUVA measured in jules... felt like a giant stand up tanning capsule to me but they insisted this was different (probably because insurance paid them for it).

I went to Mass General, saw so many specialists, had biopsies (which I still have scars from).

The last straw was the methotrexate. I couldn't stand the liver biopsies required so I decided to go it alone.

The past few decades have been a mix of periods where it comes and goes, mostly the hands, feet, elbows and knees. Sometimes patches on my legs or arms. But for the most part it's better.

I also have arthritis. I don't know if they are related, because some doctors said it was psoriatic, others said no.

I belonged (for many years) to a national psoriasis foundation that helped sufferers of the skin disease and arthritis to connect, read more news about it, hear updates about treatments etc. I got my monthly newsletters and they kept me focused and feeling less alone.

So here's another poster to say ---- you're not alone.

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posted 02-23-2003 09:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Merrida     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
By the way I do not think psoriasis causes arthritis. I believe they are related symptoms/diseases but I don't think it "causes" it. I believe that we have compromised immune systems, and both arthritis and psoriasis are related to the immune system and inflammation. And of course they are both stress diseases.

I know it's easier said than done, but getting a handle on stress, finding some type of release including vigorous exercise as well as calming meditation or yoga, are helpful. I kind of suck at that part, -- the part where I know I should stay on top of all this stuff, because I am a very reactionary person, highly emotional, very empathetic towards hurts either in my own life or those of others. None of these traits fare well when one is trying to be cool, calm and collected.

But,...it does work.

Also, dead sea salt (not regular ocean salt).

I tried everything including the whole colloidal oatmeal stuff, the epsom salt baths, you name it. Lived on cortisone for a long time (still paying the price).

But dead sea salts.... if you can actually GO there, all the better. People have gone into full and total remission from spending time there. The waters are truly healing.

If you cannot go there, then try the dead sea salts. They are incredibly expensive for people like us who would use higher quantities than most, but it makes a difference. It helped me a lot.

Note, too, that many people with psoriasis and arthritis also have other symptoms such as asthma (which is related to immune system and inflammation). We tend to have a higher incident of cardiovascular/pulmonary issues. A good number of us also tend to be treated for depression, anxiety disorders, panic attacks. We also tend to suffer from allergies as well.

These are made by observation and the years of trying to deal with my own (list of) issues.

Diet is a factor. Anything causing inflammation may be a trigger and these include all citrus fruits, nightshades, and SUGAR! Sugar is a huge trigger. Chocolate, dairy, aspartame, caffeine (many stimulants) -- in my own life, if I drank espresso or stronger coffee, it was much worse than say, a cup of dunkin donuts coffee.

That's my 2 cents... dunno if it'll offer any input here.

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posted 02-24-2003 04:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SoundOfMusic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok everybody--your posts have peaked my interest. I had psoriasis when I was a little girl and it went into remission. I'm now 49 and I have been diagnosed with osteo arthritis and degenerative disk diease. My psoriasis is now so very intense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why is that????
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Beats me. I had some rough episodes of psoriasis mostly as a kid, a few as a young adult (ie:late teens early twenties), (real bad that is), then on and off again in terms of being painful, hurtful, visible, sore,... when it got real bad the weight of a sheet on my feet hurt.

During my 20s I began to notice and associate the food link, and that's when I noticed dairy and stimulants caused reactions.

Then I'd clear up. A few rough times in my 30's.

But the middle of my 30's began my pain, and now at 40 is when I'm medicated, stiff, my knees, right ankle, hands, hips, etc. are afflicted. Mostly my hips. I also have spinal issues, but as I said I don't know they seem to come and go or what's related.

Since there's no cure, since the two are linked but I'm not sure how, perhaps there are links to when either the psoriasis is flaring up or the arthritis is flaring up that the other gets worse.

Usually psoriatic arthritis is more related to rheumatoid arthritis (I thought?) -- I may be wrong, not a doctor. But the "connection" is inflammation in both cases, high stress, and I believe hormones at work (that is my own unprofessional personal theory though).

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Thanks for your guess Merrida. Although I'm not seeing a "rumatologist" (sp?) for my arthritis right now, as I'm taking my meds for pain from the ortho DR, I will ask him about it the next time I see him. Maybe the DR can shed some light on it.

If he doesn't know, I'll go to a rumatologist.

Thanks a BUNCH---Jamy

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Ther is definitely a link between psoriasis and psoriatic arthritis. The arthritis is simmilar to RA although all tests are negaative for PA. It is an autoimmune thing and I also have allergies, psoriasis, Psoriatic arthritis and autoimmune thyroid issues. I went undiagnosed for years until my derm noticed pitting of the nails and that is a definite clue to PA. I have pain in my knees, ankles, hands, neck and spine. I started a drug called Embrel today which has to be injected twice a week. It is supposed to take the inflamation, pain and psoriasis away. I'll keep you posted.
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Indeed, I am almost embarrassed to reply to all of you. I was diagnosed with Psoriatic Arthritis when I became pregnant, and the symptoms became acute after I had delivered my babies - no one knew what I had at the time, as it was accompanied with high fevers that were not cured until I went on the prednisone treatment for over one year. After I weaned myself off of prednisone, I took an anti-inflamatory drug, which although rough on the tummy, helped the symptoms. Today, I have no arthritis to speak of (except the lingering effect of the deteriation on the saciolic joints). I sometimes wonder if I had been diagnosed properly. If I had psoriosis, it is low-grade and in the scalp (it looked almost like ringworm), although recently a patch has appeared over my brows. Whatever I had was closely related to RA and LUPUS - but the tests were turning out right. Frankly, I think this was another icky side effect of pregnancy hormones going nuts - like they are going now while I'm in my 40's.

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OK FINALLY I CAN TALK TO SOMEONE ELSE ABOUT THIS DISEASE. I WAS TOLD I HAD PSORIATIC ARTHITIS THREE'S AGO. MY LIFE WAS CHANGING AND I HAD NO CONTROL. YES I WAS PUT ON METHOTREXATE, ARAVA, BEXTRA, AND ZOLOFT. WHAT THE DOCTORS DON'T TELL YOU ABOUT THESE DRUGS IS THEY REACH THERE MAX. BENIFITS AFTER SIX MOS TO A YEAR.I'M 30 AND HAVE BEEN GETTING WORSE SINCE I WAS DIAGNOSED TWO YEARS AGO. AND HERES MY TAKE ON SOME FOODS MAKING WORSE. ARTHITIS IS AN AUTOIMMUNITY,SO ANYTHING YOU EAT THAT WILL BOOST YOU IMMUNE SYSTEM IS GOING TO TRIGGER THE DISEASE. ALSO, YOU CAN HAVE PSORIASIS ANY WHERE ON YOU BODY. I HAVE IT ON MY HANDS AND FEET. MOST OF WHAT I KNOW ABOUT THE DISEASE, I HAD TO FIND OUT ON MY ON. AND YES,THE WINTER IS WORSE FOR ME. I HURT AND SWELL IN MY NECK,SPINE,BREST JOINT,ELBOWS,WRIST,HANDS,LOWER BACK,BOTH KNEE'S,LEFT KNEE IS THE WORST,HIPS,AND ANKELS. I HAVE A COUSIN WHO HAS RA AND TOOK THE GOLD SHOTS WHEN HE WAS YOUNGER,NOW HE JUST TAKES PERISONE(?) AND IS DOING FINE. IAM VERY SCARED TO TAKE ENBREL OR REMICADE BECAUSE OF THE SIDE AFFECTS. SO, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM SOMEONE ABOUT ANY INFORMATION ON THIS VERY RARE DISEASE.THANKS

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SIMBA123...I have taken methotrexate, now imuran and I decided to go to a bigger city doctor because i didn't believe the one I was going to was even trying to help me any more. This new doctor wants me to start on enbrel, which I am on Thursday. I'm very nervous about it but am willing to give it a try. As far as the psoriasis, the only thing that cleared mine up was going to a tanning bed. All medications have possible side effects. The only way you'll know if you have any is to try it. And I've been hearing great things about enbrel. I'm tired of being in so much pain so I'm going for it. Good luck to you.

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