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Toree
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posted 07-01-2002 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Toree     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi,
I suffer from fibrocystic breasts and even though my mammos and ultra sounds come back allright, I still have problems with swelling and pain. My doctor suggested a diuretic but I am already on different meds for other issues and would like to try a natural diuretic if possible. Are there any vitamins/minerals that act as a diuretic or even foods? I would not be interested in taking any herbs though as they are not well regulated and I don't know about allergies.
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I'm only speaking for myself, but when I eat low carb, meaning eliminating the breads, pastas,and sugars, and concentrate on vegetables,fruits, and lean meats, I diurese in a matter of days. You should see my lower legs, ankles, and breasts when I overeat junk food. I am not advocating Atkins, etc. just saying try cutting out the wheat and sugars. Works for me everytime.

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posted 07-01-2002 09:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Toree     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi,
Gee, I do eat pasta, hot and cold(salads) and love bread, all kinds. I have always eaten like that and only eat meat about every couple of months, if that. I guess this food is not working for me anymore. My consumption of fruit is not good, veggies I do better with though. Well, will kick the pastas, breads, etc...sugar is not a problem, don't touch it although I am sure there is always some snuck in something somewhere.

It sounds like it would be an increase in protein? Would fish be okay, I am not a big meat eater.
But thanks for the help, I appreciate it....

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posted 07-01-2002 10:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for all things     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fish is excellent, especially the cold water kind as they have more of the good fats that we need...salmon is my favorite. I was in Barnes and Noble today, looking for an interesting cookbook, and saw a book dedicated to food allergies and sensitivities. Gluten is a huge allergen, and it's found not only in bread, but canned soups, ice cream and all manner of things. Another offensive item is MSG. But everybody is different. Try getting rid of the breads and pastas. If that doesn't work, keep on being a detective. Something you are eating is probably causing the edema. Or drinking...sodas, especially ones with aspartame can be culprits

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posted 07-01-2002 10:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Toree     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Glad about the fish, love salmon too, especially grilled. I am unaware about gluten, going to have to start paying closer attention to ingredients. I see you also live in FL., I am in Jax, whereabouts are you if you don't mind my asking, if you would rather not say, I understand. Fish being available here, I have learned to appreciate it although am not too sure which are cold water and not. What does that mean and would that rule out tuna, perch, sole, flounder?

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I was born and raised in the Clearwater area. Plenty of fish here too. The fish you mentioned are OK, though some would say everything today is suspect, re: toxins, mercury etc. I love lobster and crab but since they are the *cockroaches of the sea* blech, tend to stay away from them. I was at Red Lobster today, and they have a wonderful menu. I was extremely satisfied(except those delicious biscuits - a big no-no!) Salmon can be pretty reasonable in price in this area, sometimes only $2.99 a pound, and I've experimented with it frequently. Better than the restaurants. Gluten allergy causes bloating, headaches and various other problems.

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Try grapefruit. It works for me.
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Also in addition to what all-things has said about the diet. WATER is also a natural diuretic, if the body has enough it doesn't store it.

With the low carb diet,I did one too. It can definately take out excess water, but you need to replace it, or you could end up with hard BMs. Cut down on caffine too. It screws up the balance of water in the system. Diana

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Thanks drs, I concur - should have said it. I believe in lots of water, otherwise you get lumpy like a camel.

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posted 07-03-2002 09:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Toree     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To drs: Can you let me know about that bra you were referred to earlier in this post? I am interested in this item...thanks for all your help...Toree

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posted 07-03-2002 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for drs     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well for one I'm pretty small on top and that's the reason I bought it in the first place, it gives you a lift. It just called a water bra, bought it at Herbergers, it's a dept. store you can ususally find this store in the big malls. It cost me about 35 bucks, I thought that was pretty spendy, but now I use it like a cool pack too.LOL. I just put it in a brown paper bag and stick it in the fridge over night, and whala ,cool pack for the sore chest in the morning. I don't think I'd chance putting it in the freezer though. might be too lumpy, and I wouldn't want to have it bust.(pun intended) Ice expands. Diana

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posted 07-06-2002 12:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for paper clip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dandelion herb is a decent choice diuretic. It happens to replace potassium so electrolyte depletion is less of a concern.

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posted 07-06-2002 04:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Crissy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Paperclip,

I am keen to try Dandelion as a diuretic to see if it might help ease my symptoms from the calcification in my shoulders (worse when I'm holding fluid).

I didn't realise potassium levels and electrolytes were linked?

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posted 07-06-2002 09:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Toree     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for the suggestion of dandelion. As I stated in my post that I wouldn't be interested in trying herbs. The reason is the allergy potential in herbal preparations/supplements.

Until there is some sort of monitoring as to processing of these herbs, we are at the mercy of stale and often rancid products. This means we pay for useless and often dangerous items. There needs to be better product control.

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Then I would ask your doctor to make a specific recommendation as to what you could take that is a natural diuretic. That's the safest thing to do since your system is apparently unusually sensitive to all unregulated herbal ingredients. Good luck.


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Just a thought, tea is an all natural diuretic and you can get the decaffinated kind (cuz Dr. told me caffeine contributes to fibrocystic breasts). I find green tea is the best and if I'm not mistaken I believe it helps with regularity and is considered a veggie.
If you find something else that works please let me know.
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Tauri,
Thanks for the suggestion. I didn't know that tea was a diuretic. I know about the caffeine being a no-no for fibrocystic breasts. Will give it a try..maybe even the green tea..

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Toree, do you drink plenty of water?
You didn't say if you did or not. Also if your taking in any alcohol it bloats and dehydrates at the same time. Any thing that dehydrates you will also make you retain water, because the body is getting a signal that it needs to store it. Diana

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Diana, gee it gets confusing. Well I do not drink alcohol ever. I drink about 4 glasses of water a day now and 2 large cups of decaffeinated tea. I know this is not enough water but I have found any more and I look like a balloon and feel so bloated.

So what you are saying is that diuretics, the purpose of which is to get rid of excess fluid, can actually cause you to retain the same because the body automatically protects itself from getting dehydrated?
How can I maintain a balance? I have read that caffeine is the diuretic part of tea. So that I drink decaffeinated tea is doing me no good in terms of ridding excess fluid.

What am I doing wrong?

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parsley is a diuretic....the dandelion was mentioned, too. those are so environmentally/diet prevalent that there shouldn't be much of a problem if they are pure. check with dr if not sure!

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The items in the diet, including diuretics, that dehydrate...will get rid of excess water...but it takes so much out of the system that you'll eventually need more, to do the job and your body will have to work to keep up the water content it needs.

If you have trouble drinking more than 4 cups a day then increase it gradually, like a cup a week. And make sure you are getting rid of what you are taking in. (You may have to measure it, yuck I know!!) Eventually your body will use it correctly when you get the level up to 8 to 10 glasses a day.

You want your body to get rid of the bloat on it's own, this takes time because you don't give it enough water right now. Even just breathing gets rid of water. Do you do any excersising? Just walking alittle should help. Then get your feet above your heart for awhile.

With time you'll get the body to regulate water on it's own, but as soon as you take something to get rid of excess water, your back to square one, because your body needs it. That's why it's storing it.

This is what I've found. Diana

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Diana,
Thank you for continuing the information on the diuretic/hydrating. It is true that I swell up like a balloon and feel just awful after more than 4 full glasses throughout the day, actually I am uncomfortable before the 4 glass mark. I am okay on 2 glasses over a period of a couple of hours, then the 3rd one I feel my tummy filling and we go downhill from there.

I am trying small sips, more frequently. Also living in Florida with the temps over 100, walking outside is impossible for me even in the evening hours. The hot weather does require more water even indoors with the a/c on I know. With a house and 10 in-house pets to care for, I don't sit much but still I am not doing alot of exercising either. I am thinking of trying a few drops of concentrated sugar free pure fruit juice in the water...anything to improve it. I will see how that works...thanks, again.

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Vitamin C is a mild diuretic. What irrates my fibrocystic breast most is using my arm alot!!! My left breast is worst. Also, getting a mammo irrates it big time for several weeks.

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Hi Hazel,
That is interesting about the arm. During the time prior to this last episode of fibrocystic swelling, I had been painting two rooms. This was a big job and actually my right arm would begin to ache and I would switch to my left hand rather than not finish. My arms ached plenty during that time and took alot of heatpad time to ease up...I never connected the two.
Thanks for the heads up!

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me, my Mom, and my 3 sisters all have fibrocystic breasts. my doctor has always drilled it in my head that caffeine makes it worse, and my mom's doctor told her to take vitamin E each day. As for the diuretic, watermelon is a natural diuretic, but I have taken (in the past) diurex pills and had good results with them.

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You've just got to get used to drinking more water, it took me close to six months...that's a long time, but I feel so much better. The diurex that was mentioned is more than likely dehydrating, as most diuretics are. Not Good to be taking,especially since your not getting enough water as it is.
Try just a touch of salt on the end of your tongue, then drink the water. Someone else mentioned vit-C, that's good to take in small doses too. Also you could try a teas. of lemon juice in a couple of cups of water. Try not drinking too much with your meals though, 1/2 hour before your meals is best.

10 in house pets!!!! Wow are you busy or what. I have a dog and a cat, and they keep me plenty busy.....what kinds of animals do you have?

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Hi Diana,
Somehow I never can remember ever living with 1 or 2 pets, it has always been a housefull for us. Both my husband and I cannot turn our backs on a stray or injured animal. Sadly, many are too badly injured or ill to save. But I would always humanely have them put of their suffering than just leave them outside to suffer.But we have saved quite a few from the brink. With the exception of my very small dog, a shih-tzu which I purchased from a neighbor/breeder, the other 9 pets are cats. And all were strays, many seriously ill. I have had as many as 16 but as the years have gone by, eventually you lose them to age and illness. It is the only downside to having a pet. After rescuing them, they are immediately taken to a vet, depending on their condition, some have to stay there a few days but most come back home and join the group. I do keep them inside as the outdoors is just too dangerous what with cars, stray dogs, kids who abuse(adults too),and even attacks by other cats, starvation, etc...

Our children are grown and out of the house and we have plenty of room. They are my dearest companions and couldn't imagine my life without them. Yes it is alot of work, much cleaning. And worth it. They give me so much in return. My husband is a big bear of a guy and believe me he brings home more than a few. He complains then how expensive it all is but he wouldn't give up a single one.

As to the water, I didn't realize it takes the body so long to adjust to the increase in water. I like the idea of the lemon. Will try and stick to my water intake but only slightly increasing over a much longer period of time. I read somewhere recently that you expel moisture from your body just in speaking....amazing!

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Hi all,
For some reason ,ive been taking a kind of contranception pill for 3 months and my plan was to keep on it for another 3-4 months.Bloating (abdominal particularly)is a big problem to me .Regarding diuretics ,I am a bit ignorant about the electrolyte thing .Fresh vegetable juices (carrot celery etc),parsley tea ,supposed to have diutetic action but I think they are not strond enough (i mean ,to reverse a medical situation ).Some extracts from a book called <the waterfall diet> which fell my way ,said that Bioflavonoids help .I dont think that low curb diet -namely meat and lettuce? -has any special diuretic action .I would like to see any references .
Yesterday I decided to diet strictly ,I boiled (a kind of)fresh italian dandelion ,i ate it as a salad and I drunk the water as a dandelion tea .The afternoon I was totaly dehydrated ,i drunk a couple of beers light , to feel ok . By the way ,is beer diuretic or not ,I think it is ,(and it doesnt dehydrate you).

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Traveiler, Yes!!! beer is one of the worst for dehydration, Just 6oz can deplete the system of 10 to 12 oz of water balance!!!! That goes for Lite or regular, anything with alcohol. Caffine is just as bad.

Also about the pill you are taking, that can really mess with the system, as you have probably noticed, what kind is it, just a reg. birth control pill? Maybe they could try you on something else.

Its not diuretics that I was talking about with the electrolytes. I was refering to drinking the correct amount of water daily, then you need to replace them because they are getting flushed out.

Foods made into juices are very good and have plenty of liquid, and bioflavanoids(sp?)in them. But be careful of too much celery, celery is toxic in large quantities.

If you want references about the low carb. diet, check on the Atkins diet. The 'Carbohydrates addict diet,' is less drying, they require more low carb. veggies than the Atkins one, so it's not as dehydrating.

I think the pill you are talking is messing things up pretty good for you Traveiler, you should check some of the posts about the birthcontrol pill and hormone imbalance, I'm thinking they might be in the womans health board, or the menopause board. I'm not sure right off the top of my head. Hope I've answered some of your questions, and didn't confuse you futher. Diana

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Hi Traveller,
First have you consulted with a physician about this? I don't understand what you mean about "reversing a medical condition". It sounds like you were diagnosed with something and are trying to cure it on your own. If that is the case, especially involving serious fluid retention, your doctor needs to help you with that.

Alcohol will dehydrate you. I posted my first post regarding this issue about diuretics on 7/1, 3 weeks ago and in that time have started increasing my water intake. I was real bad about that especially everyday. Now the painful breast swelling is gone. I was not swollen however anywhere else. From what I have been advised here, using other methods(food, over the counter drugs)is not a good idea. Because it does mess up the electrolytes and that can get serious. So, I have stopped looking for a way other than drinking the water. While not my favorite drink, I am learning to like it because it works, its safe and our bodies need it.
But if you have a serious problem with fluid retention throughout your body, I would contact my doctor. How about the one who prescribed the birth control pills? They can cause this issue also...best wishes.

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Toree, hey,, looks like we posted at almost the same time, and that we were thinking the same thing!!!! How are you doing.....

Also that is great the way you help those animals out!!!!! I think they know how close to death they were. And love you for it.

Have you ever seen the new show on the animal channel about the pet phsycic? I love that show.

Keep up the water thing, and yes talking and breathing does take water out of the lungs, ever put your mouth up to a mirror and breath on it? You can see the moister!!!

Sounds like you have a kind hearted hubby too. Good thing he likes cats.Haha. Mine tolerates the cat and loves the dog. But at least the cat doesn't mind, she's such a cuttie, both my daughter and I love her and she knows that. Some people are cat people and some aren't.

Take care, Diana

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Diana,
Just finished my first glass of water with some lemon in it...actually it also helps with the appetite. My desire for meals is less and that means losing some weight. I could stand to let go of about 10 lbs.

I had though already fed the 'crew' and did my first major clean-up of the day. You should try and imagine 10 animals in the house who want to eat NOW and you want to sleep! The kitchen is a madhouse as I am hurrying to open cans and get them onto the paperplates. Then it means separating the cats as there are a few who don't like each other when eating.
While they are eating, I re-fill water dishes and clean the litters. When that is done, they are finished eating and cleaning themselves...I scrape off whatever leftovers from each plate and we take the food to a dumpster near my husband's office for the strays. I know, I know but the situation is serious...so many in such bad condition.

Anyway, got to check in here and found you....oh yes,let the dog out and gave him his breakfast. Now if I could just get my 'houseboy' to serve me mine, this would be even a better morning so far....

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Thanks for the morning ritual story of feeding the crew, I can just picture it. LOLOLOL, and the house boy, you are awake?? or dreaming???lol

Keep up the water, I'm proud of you.

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Hello ,
I tried to say that c.pill messed things and induced water retention and bloated abdominal(to me ).Being slender and <gravity>-anxious ,I find this side-effect unacceptable .Regarding some remarks ,I am vegetarian ,carb and alcohol lover and i want to stay this way .
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Hi Traveller,
Well yes I have heard that birth control pills can cause bloating that distended feeling in the abdomen. Have you any other alternative to the pill or just going to try and take it and find a way to get rid of the excess bloating? Are you sure the bloating is fluid?

I have a sense that you were somehow put off by reading here that alcohol causes dehydration. I certainly did not mean for that to be any kind of judgment about you at all. I just offered it up as information the same as suggesting caffeine being a problem. I meant nothing in a personal negative way towards you and am sorry if you misunderstood my intentions.

Best wishes...Toree

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For God's sake ,no problem with ...alcohol dehydration thing Toree .Take care...

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hi everyone i had/have fibrocystic breasts too, but i went on birth control pills and they actually got a LOT better ......yep, until i realized (after 4 months on) that the pill seems to be acting like a diurectic (i don't know if this is common, and i could be wrong) - if i go more than 2 hours without a trip to the ladies room, my stomach starts hurting... also, i just got on that green tea concentrate stuff, which from reading this board i just realized might be making things worse! i want to keep the benefits of the pills and the tea - anyone have ideas as to counter this, or other help? thanks so much! ----i welcome emails, feel free to contact direct... princess

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Princess,

You can buy the green tea extract in decaffeinated form. Just do a search on the web, and you should find it. That might help a little. Caffeine definitely might be making the bloating worse. Perhaps if diuretics (like caffeine) make it worse, an antidiuretic might make it better? Seems counter-intuitive, but who knows? Valerian is a natural antidiuretic. Perhaps you could buy some tea with that in it and see if it helps.

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