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TheTitan
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posted 08-12-2003 08:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TheTitan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey, I recently spoke with an old friend who said she had been experiencing "demonic attacks". She shared this story with me, and I was wondering what you thought of it.

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"Alright it started way back in the day when I was like 5 years old... at that time I was completly ignorent of demonic happenings and only had a brief idea of what/who God is. But I started having a horrible nightmare that would repeat itself over and over for like 2 weeks... In the dream, my family including myself was running to our basment, once there we all dove under differnet pieces of furniture... (like I said it was a dream)... The basment door opened up just as we all got under, so I pulled down a flap on a rocking chair to try to hide myself better, from what I didn't know. I heard it walking down the stairs so I lifted the flap, but all I could see were two skeleton like feet so I put the put back down. The feet came over to my chair and stopped, then turned and stopped in front of all of the other members of my family, then turned and walked to the opposite corner of my basement. (In my basement, you can't see the opposite corner from where I was, but it was filled with junk that has been collected over the years. Anyway, the "camera" of the dream panned to the other side so I could see what was going on... it was a creature that looked like a skeleton from like say cartoons, but oozy and really sickening. So the creature goes into the back corner and starts ripping down all our boxes and kicking glass things around and more or less making alot of noise and a huge mess. Then it turned to look at me and I face was almost like a shadow so I couldn't get a good look, but then I woke up every time right there. So that was the first incident that started my new life of constant fighting... if it had never happened, I would probably still be as ignorent about this area as almost eveyone in the world is. So over the next oh 5 or 6 years of my life, things started happening faster and more physical. There was a time I was taking a shower and a razor fell from it holder and hit my leg, thank God I was moving it at the time or it would have cut right into my calf. Another time in the shower a bottle of So that dream occured like I said, for quite a while. Years later like when I was in 8th grade (this is where my life picks up the pace very quickly... oh and we started collecting fish in our basment as a hobby) I was downstairs looking at the fish lying down in the corner that we hid at. So I was watching and suddenly there was a huge crash like all those boxes in the opposite corner suddenly fell over. So I jumped up and the crashing stopped. I was looking around expecting at any moment to see my brother come walking from around back... so I waited a few seconds getting really freaked out now, and the crashing started again. I bolted to the basment stairs and about half way up looked over the side to see who was back in the corner... and nothing. Not one box had been knocked down, not one glass had been moved. Very confused I walked up the rest of the steps and saw my brother in our living room playing some game. I asked if he heard any noise and he said he didn't, so I asked where everyone else was and my parents were in thier bedroom and my sister was with some friends at the mall. So I thought about that for about a week until the next Sunday when I asked my pastor at my church and he explained in very simple terms what it was... a demonic attack. He didn't say it as blunt as that, but I got the just of it.
shampoo fell, so I picked it up and set it back in its holder. As I was toweling off, I heard a thump, and saw nothing, until I noticed the shampoo was gone again. So I looked in the tub and it wasn't there, after like 5 minutes of searching, I found it... it was stuck behind the garbage bin and somehow wegded itself between the wall and the garbage. Another time I was in the shower (notice a pattern her ) I saw a black shadow on the other side of the curtain. The shadow punched the curtain a couple of times, so I peeked out the side and no one was there. There were numerous occasions that I would wake up with long claw marks on both of my legs. There were even more times that doors would open or slam shut... or both. Many occasions of silverwere dropping off of a counter but it hadn't moved when I walked into the kicthen to see what the noise was... things went on like this well... it still is. During my senior year I started studying on how to fight back and the different demons...... I read hundreds of books in one school year on spiritual stuff. So I started to do the stuff that I learned... pray for specific things... clense the house... too many things to mention. I was talking with my mom about it and I found out that as a kid, she experienced much of the same stuff, except she actually started to see them. When she and my dad were married, they bought a house here. After I, my brother and my sister were born, things started happening here. There was a time my mom was in her bedroom and a demonic assassin came to kill her. She banished it right away (it wasn't anything new to her at that point in her life) Another time my mom was going to the bathroom and when she came out, a wolf was stalking down our hallway towards one of the bedrooms where we were sleeping. She banished it and it turned around and jumped into one of my dads records. He didn't have many and it appeared to go into the one of his "Grateful Dead" ones. There are many more occurences like these, but I would be writing for hours."

I apologize for the length of the post, and anxiously await any reply. Do these "religious" experiences remind you of any diseases you have seen/heard of before? Thanks for your time, and your help. =)

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posted 08-13-2003 05:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for upshutter17     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well Titan...this is just my opinion. Of course there will be many if/when more people reply. I'm a spiritual person and I believe all that can happen. I've actually experienced many similar things. I think it's totally a religious thing. Plus I haven't heard of any diseases or disorders anything like that....maybe I'm just in the dark and don't know. Anywho, these things may be extremely scary for someone. How old is your friend, and how is your friend dealing with this? Again, my opinion is that these things are possible and happen. Speaking from experience, some people have an ability to see/hear/smell/feel these things or even people. So what do you think?
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posted 08-13-2003 05:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Redhead23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
IMHO sounds like someone has watched too many horror movies

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posted 08-13-2003 06:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for upshutter17     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Redhead23, were you joking around or being serious? Even though we say that we are joking, there may be some truth to it. Were you referring to my reply or the post? I'm curious here why you think that.
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posted 08-13-2003 06:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Redhead23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry I should've explained better, I was gonna write more but got called away from my desk for a bit so I sent it off as it was.

I was only half-joking, now I do believe there are things that we don't understand and can't explain, but it does sound as if this person is reading a little too much into small things and coincidences. Things like religious teachings, horror books or - movies and urban legends can often lead us to "freak" about innocent little things.

It's nice to have an "explanation" for things that happen to us no matter how phoney it is but sometimes that explanation can make the situation much worse because you start getting scared of demons/ghosts/voodoo curses and obsess with it.

I'm not religious at all (simply because I refuse to swallow anyone telling me what I should and should not believe in) but I have a very open mind as to what's "out there".

Still, I feel it's very dangerous to explain everything with God or demons or whitches or curses - good people have died or got complications from serious illnesses because some priest or witch doctor has told them that it's a demon or a curse and that a bit of prayer will cure them

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posted 08-13-2003 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TheTitan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It sounded a little like some form of Psychosis to me; I don't really know though.

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posted 08-13-2003 08:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for upshutter17     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think you make great points. Sometimes we can drive ourselves nuts with things that can't be explained. That's why it's all up to ourselves to choose to believe what we want. I am religious by I am open with other beliefs....just as long as no one mocks or slams anyone else. You guys make good points.
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posted 08-14-2003 02:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cindeerella29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I also agree that we go nuts at things we can't explain...When I was 10 years old, I was walking out of my dads place, and was almost to the door when this figure of a woman pushed me over and headed out of the door. This woman was like a shadow looking thing, she had what appeared to be black flowing hair and a flowing dress. I didn't see the face because when she pushed me over all I could do was gawk at the shadowy figure passing through the door. I have only told 2 people about this, because it's something I don't like to think of because it scares me. I do DEFINATELY believe in demons, and angels. I am a Christian, I belive in Jesus Christ, but I am not affiliated with any religion. I do know that I have had recurring dreams of tons of stuff. You know whats wierd, is when you dream of something and it comes true. NOW that is FREAKY!

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posted 08-14-2003 11:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for susiejb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It sounds like a ghost to me, but not necessarily "demonic". My sister and her husband moved to an apartment 25-yrs ago, where she played with a Ouigi Board alot. Once I played it with her neighbor and asked the board if I would ever get married, and it took our hands to "yes". When I asked it how many kids I would have, a force knocked me in the chest so hard that it forced me backwards off my chair and onto the floor. It scared the living heck out of me.

I did get married 6-yrs later and was married for 5 when my husband arsoned our home, killing one of our two sons, who was 3-yrs old. My 19-mo old son and I barely survived and were burned over 20% of our bodies. I truly believe the ouigi board was warning me about what was going to happen to my future child. My ex-husband is now on death row for murder/attempted murder and arson.

For years my sister and bro-in-law were visited by a ghost, which we assumed was released from the ouigi board. One day while her husband sat on the toilet reading a magazine in their bathroom, which had no windows, a towel hanging on the shower rod began strangely twirling around the rod. It then flew off and landed over his head in a comical way. The ghost was joking with him! My sister would often wake up at night feeling something staring at her. She'd open her eyes and a dark figure in a long gown would be either hovering over her or standing next to her bed looking down at her. The first time it happened she jumped up and the figure flew into the wall mirror. It was a funny ghost, harmless and constantly playing pranks on them. They eventually got used to it and lost their fear of it. Years later they moved and never saw it again.

Just this summer, my other sister and her husband stayed the night at our family lake cottage 120 miles north of here. She awoke mid-night to use the bathroom and saw a strange figure moving along the wall in the kitchen. When she came out of the bathroom to return to bed, where her husband slept, she once again saw what looked like a shadow of a person in a gown move slowly along the wall. She ran and jumped into the bed and hid under the covers. In the morning she told her husband, and he then told her he couldn't get to sleep that night because he kept feeling weird gusts of air and the blanket kept flipping off his feet. He'd cover his feet back up and it would flip back up again, like something was playing a trick on him. He said it happened about 6 or 8 times. They were both freaked out!

So I believe in ghosts, but I don't believe they are all evil. I think they are lost spirits who are not yet ready to leave this world. Either that or they're aliens!!

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posted 08-15-2003 09:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MaCxI     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe that the eye sees what it wants to. But its up to you to make out what is real and not. I have had many strange things happen to me too, seen things unusual, heared things that were impossible to hear.

If you think about hearing things alone, how often do you hear something and when you go look there is no explination for it. It could be glitches in our brains. The same thing applies for seeing things. how often do you see a shadow in the corner of your eye, look at it, and see nothing?

My boyfriends sister has a "ghost cat" in her appartment. Just yesterday she was on the toilet and the toilet roll started unrolling on its own. Ive seen the ghost cat too. The shadow. It is rather strange but I think science might have some sort of explanation. For me to say that is rather stragne, cos Im also very curious on strange happenings. Had a couple of my own. In fact too many to explain.

I dont think it is demonic though. I think its more along the lines of the mind playing tricks on you. As for the scratches on her legs, Had that too. Its possible she struggled with herself as there was no real being to struggle with. Dreams I have have noticed, are very unreal but we get confused by them. subconcious and conscious are very capable of crossing I reckon.

This is just my two cents. Im no expert. I mean, Ive had similar experiences too, and always looking for reason. I kinda hope its scientific and nothing unnatural.

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posted 08-16-2003 07:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for villagegal68455     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i think this girls episodes are happening...everybody's reality is different and i believe a lot of people that venture into the unknown don't wnat an explanation...they just quickly pass it off as coincendence...if these things were known, then they wouldn't scare us so much...they'd just be part of everyday life...i, myself, have had some really awful things happen to me and some people would say i'm just making up stories...and i know, deep down, that these things are real...just because they don't happen to everyone doesn't mean they aren't real...oh and btw, tell your friend that i am terrified of the basement myself because of some weird dreams i had as a child...i always get a chill that something is not quite right down there and refuse to go down without my dogs...

on instance that i had something unkown happen is when i moved with my friend into an apartment, i felt a force pulling me to a locked door (we lived next door to a museum) and i described to my friend the ghost that was pulling me...he got really pale and unlocked the door to the museum...once inside he showed me a picture of my "ghost" which i had described to a T...it was the owner's wife of the museum who had passed away long before i came along and i had never seen pictures of her...i had just moved to minnesota that day, for goodness sakes...but that's just one of many unexplained things that has happened to me...

tell your friend, to start keeping a journal...i know she already sees a pattern forming, but maybe the journal will uncover more of a pattern than she knows and she can start to decide on why she thinks it's happening....

i'm sorry i can't be more of help...i just learned to except my occurrences, although scary, and try to deal with them as they happen...

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posted 08-16-2003 07:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for gordon1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Try getting hold of a book on Dream Interpretation. I'm sure there is a very plausible explanation. Belief in demons and such is not very healthy in my opinion. Get back to the real world.

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well gordan, i'm not going to bash you...but i am going to say try to keep an open mind...but, we all believe what we want to believe and there is nothing wrong with deciding against the idea of there being something "unknown" going on...

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posted 08-29-2003 06:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Poo2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First off, I'm so sorry Susiejb. I really feel for you.

I have had a lot of weird things happen to me like dreams coming true and I feel people or entities near me. I think everyone has a 6th sense but some people are more tuned into it than others.

No I do not watch a lot of horror movies but yes I do read books like that. But in no certain way does reading a book affect the things that I have experienced.

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This is a very interesting thread, and one I just had to respond to if for nothing else to keep it going.

My Aunt, Uncle and cousins had a weird incidence with a wegi (I know that is spelled wrong) board when I was around 10 years old. My cousins told me a little about it. My cousins and their friends were playing with it and experienced something very unusual, but were never allowed to talk about it. To this day all I know is something happened. My aunt and uncle called a priest and had the whole house blessed. They told their kids to never mention it again. I know that when they told me about it they had a look of terror in their eyes.

I personally believe that spririts do linger, or occupy certain houses. I believe it has something to do with the energy that has been left from the people who used to occupy the home or whatever. I've watched many documentary's on it. There are too many people out there that have experienced what many of you have experienced to say that this doesn't exist.

What about de ja vu? That freaks me out! Happens to me a lot!

Something else that happens to me a lot is this. Say I'll be folding clothes or something mundane like that and I'll be having random thoughts. I may something to my husband or think something and as soon as the words come out of my mouth or as soon as the words enter my brain, either someone else comes in and says the exact same words or I immediately hear exactly what I said or thought on the TV or radio.

Like I might say, "I saw a spider on the wall" then immediately someone on tv would use the word spider in a sentence. Even happens with words that are not common, like appleseed.

Everytime I happens, and it happens ALOT, I tell my husband. Sometimes it's happened when he was with me and I'll say "SEE!!!! Don't you think that's weird?" He laughs at me, but I think at those moments when it happens I am more in tune with my sixth sense. Like somehow at those times I've tapped into the part of my brain that has extra sensory perception. Sometimes it feels like someone is trying to tell me something and I'm supposed to figure it out.

Hmmmmmm. Does that happen to anyone else?

Also, I used to play Bingo alot. Whenever that would start happening to me again (like it would happen many times a day every day for like 3 days or so) then I would go play Bingo and I swear almost everytime I did that I would WIN!.

Weird.

Good thread...I'd love to hear others experiences.

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posted 09-11-2003 05:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lastoria     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've read a very scientific explanation of why we get the "deja vu" sensation. Anyone know it?

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I've read a very scientific explanation of why we get the "deja vu" sensation. Anyone know it?

I don't. What is it?

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posted 09-11-2003 11:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for upshutter17     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I remember learning about that scientific reason for Deja Vu. I think it was something like a glitch in your brain waves or neuro transmitters or something.

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Ya, that's right, I was going to post this but I forgot.

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[SIZE=1](Encyclopedia Britannica)[/SIZE]
Déjà vu

The déjà vu experience has aroused considerable interest and is occasionally felt by most people, especially in youth or when they are fatigued. It has also found its way intoliterature, having been well described by, among other creative writers, Shelley, Dickens, Hawthorne, Tolstoy, and Proust. The curious sense of extreme familiarity may be limited to a single sensory system, such as the sense of hearing, but as a rule it is generalized, affecting all aspects of experience including the subject's own actions. As a rule, it passes off within a few seconds or minutes, though its repercussions may persist for some time. For some epileptics, however, déjà vu may continue for hours or even days and can provide a fertile subsoil for delusional elaboration.

In view of its occurrence among organically healthy individuals, déjà vu commonly has been regarded as psychogenic and as having its origin in some partly forgotten memory, fantasy, or dream. This explanation has appealed strongly to psychoanalysts; it also gains support from the finding that an experience very similar to déjà vu can be induced in normal people by hypnosis. If a picture is presented to a hypnotized person with the instruction to forget it and then is shown with other pictures when he is awake, the subject may report an intense feeling of familiarity that he is at a loss to justify. The déjà vu phenomenon also is attributable to minor neurophysiological abnormality; it is frequent in epilepsy. Indeed, déjà vu is accepted as a definite sign of epileptic activity originating in the temporal lobe of the brain and may occur as part of the seizure activity or frequently between convulsions. It seems to be more frequent in cases in which the disorder is in the right temporal lobe and has on occasion been evoked by electrical stimulation of the exposed brain during surgery. Some have been tempted to ascribe it to a dysrhythmic electrical discharge in some region of the temporal lobe that is closelyassociated with memory function.



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Thanks that was really interesting! I knew there was some scientific explanation but I'd never actually looked into it

Now I just have to stop having panic attacks every time I have a déjà vu and I'll be OK

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Oops not sure where the double post came from!

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susiejb:
Ive read a few posts of yours, we are both in the CLA forum :-),,,, you are so funny and such a pleasure in reading your posts.
I just wanted to express my sympathy. That is so sad, I hope your pulling through ok. I have some strange stories too regarding my mother (51) who also had some run ins with an Ouigi board. It followed her friend, the board, would show up everywhere she moved. Her parents were in the military, is the reason for so many moves. Eventually, her house caught fire and the lost everything........including the Ouigi.
I am so sorry for your loss........

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We should ask to start a new thread about odd and strange happenings.

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Naturelovers, thanks for your sympathy and kind words. I'm doing okay considering everything. Time does heal some, but not all. Trying to keep my sense of humor is the only thing that keeps me sane! That and a big, close family and great friends. I do believe the angels are with me and my surviving son.

Speaking once again of the ougi board, I couldn't resist buying one a couple of years after the fire, to attempt communication with my deceased little boy and also with my father, who died right before I was married. The experience was so intense for both my mother and me when we used the board together that I gave it away shortly afterward.

We did communicate with both my father and my son, and their personalities showed through to the extent that my mother and I both ended up crying uncontrollably. My son seemed very sad, while my father became so angry when I mentioned my ex-husband, the fire and the murder, that the pointer spun around and around the board and flew off of it and hit the wall. It scared the crap out of us and we put it up. I should have learned my lesson the first time I had used one of those boards.
Your story is so eerie also! I think the boards can be evil and you don't always know who you are actually talking to. It's best to stay away from them. Take care

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Sometimes demons inhabit places and you can take authority over them and demand that they leave. In Jesus name of course. You can also bind them up in the name of Jesus. The word says whatever is bound on earth shall be bound in heaven. I would not let any demon activity rule my household, I would take authority and bind them up in the name of Jesus!!! We have authority on this earth and do not have to deal with the pesky demons that inhabit the earth. We have that freedom to bind and loose things on earth.

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Originally posted by susiejb:
Naturelovers, thanks for your sympathy and kind words. I'm doing okay considering everything. Time does heal some, but not all. Trying to keep my sense of humor is the only thing that keeps me sane! That and a big, close family and great friends. I do believe the angels are with me and my surviving son.

Speaking once again of the ougi board, I couldn't resist buying one a couple of years after the fire, to attempt communication with my deceased little boy and also with my father, who died right before I was married. The experience was so intense for both my mother and me when we used the board together that I gave it away shortly afterward.

We did communicate with both my father and my son, and their personalities showed through to the extent that my mother and I both ended up crying uncontrollably. My son seemed very sad, while my father became so angry when I mentioned my ex-husband, the fire and the murder, that the pointer spun around and around the board and flew off of it and hit the wall. It scared the crap out of us and we put it up. I should have learned my lesson the first time I had used one of those boards.
Your story is so eerie also! I think the boards can be evil and you don't always know who you are actually talking to. It's best to stay away from them. Take care



Freaky!!!!!

My sister jacked with a Ouji board when I was little. None of the things she asked it and it answered came true. But they got a cat drunk and said it was my deceased uncle. Sure scared us kids to death.

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