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seeking grace
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posted 04-16-2003 06:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for seeking grace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For about three days the left side of my tummy is very painful. I thought at first it was appendicitus, but knew that would be on right side. The pain has been so intense that I can hardly walk at times. It hurts to move. When researching it sounds like it might be diverticulitus. Is that a possibility?

Any info would be appreciated. Tummy is swollen, stools are thin the last few days, pain is so intense it is interferring with all that I do!

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I copied some stuff off the net below about symptoms. Your symptoms seem to match diverticulitis except that you should have a fever or chills. But only a doctor can say for certain. You should get it checked out.

Symptoms

abdominal pain, usually in the left lower abdomen but can be anywhere
possible constipation or diarrhea
chills
fever

Additional symptoms that may be associated with this disease:

bloody stools
nausea and vomiting

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This stuff also came off the net about diverticulitis. Not usually a major problem but you do need to do something about it if that is what it is.

Treatment

Acute diverticulitis requires antibiotic therapy.

Recurrent attacks or presence of perforation (hole), fistula (abnormal tube-like passage), or abscess requires surgical removal of the involved portion of the colon.

After the acute infection has stabilized, diverticulitis is treated by increasing the bulk in the diet with high-fiber foods and bulk additives such as Metamucil.

Expectations (prognosis)

Usually, this is a mild condition that responds well to treatment.

Complications

abscess formation
perforation of the colon leading to peritonitis
stricture or fistula formation

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Found this too. Get some fiber into your diet to avoid the problem in future. But get is fixed first.

Prevention

A high-fiber diet may prevent development of the disease.

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posted 04-16-2003 11:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for seeking grace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks so much Sam. This is also all that I have found concerning left side

It has been 2-3 days. I am hoping I can just jump up in the morning and be all better!

Wondering if cleansing fast might help? What do you think? Do you have any experience with fasting?

Thanks again ~ Joy

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A cleansing fast will not cure diverticulitis if that is what you have. A fast will mostly likely alleviate your symptoms since you are putting less possible irritants ito your system and there is less bulk. Getting clear of irritants and food additives once in a while is not a bad thing.

For myself, I had a colonoscopy. Before the colonscopy I was given a very strong laxative which cleaned me out. That was an opportunity for me. I took probiotics to restore the good bacteria and simplified my diet to just white rice to start off with. Then after a couple of days I added boiled potatoes. One by one I added foods and noted the effects. I did sensible things like avoid spices (but a little salt and pepper was OK). I also avoided alcohol and caffeine. I was 98% better.

Now I take caffeine but still avoid spices and alcohol. Red meat is OK too I found. And I make sure that I get both soluble and insolbule fiber (very important without overdoing it).

But I still avoid food additives and processed foods (except for something like Rice Bubbles which is processed but has no additives). I am much the better for it. You might be too.

You will have to go your own journey but anything is better than being a victim and relying blindly on doctors (who for years have been giving me advice without any results). I even stopped taking antidepressants which I got prescibed once by a doctor.

Keep it simple I say until you can nail it down. Hope this helps. Nothing worse than feeling powerless but you need not be if you take charge and use a bit of common sense.

In many ways you are in a better position than a doctor to isolate your problem (unless it is something really obvious) because only you know how you feel. Regards.

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By the way, just because the pain is on the left side you can't rule out appendicitis because the pain can reflect from the right to the left side.

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Hi seeking grace,

It sounds like diverticulitis to me, too. Some attacks come with pain alone - no fever. But it takes a balanced approached. While you are in the middle of an attack - like now, with the pain - do NOT increase fiber. Actually, what is called for is a low fiber regime - fruit juices, things like that.

When things settle down, you want to increase fiber GRADUALLY, and make sure you are always getting enough. (Drinking plenty of water and eating yogurt regularly are other recommendations).

Even if things settle down by themselves now, you will want to talk with your doctor about this at some point. They might want to do a sigmoid- or colonoscopy for a definite diagnosis. Plus, the condition may settle down but that does not mean it is cured - it is not.

If you start running a fever, get to the doctor asap!

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Thanks for sharing your knowledge with me Samuel and Judy.

This morning before arising I felt the area that has been hurting and applied gentle pressure. Ouch!!! Was surprised it hurt so bad! Seems the area has increased in size by about 3x ... yet it isn't as painful when I'm moving around as it has been.

I almost made a doctors appt. this morning. We have lousy insurance since husband is self-employed ... so not sure of coverage. Don't want to get emotionally sick as well as physical.

I have not done a good cleansing fast in about a year. Think I will try that route. My weight is higher than it has ever been. The scales seem to be moving up and up ... ??? Was that a factor for you Samuel?

Cleaning this physical house will do me good. Ugh! But I love to eat. I'll keep you posted on how I'm doing with fast.

Again ... thanks for all you've given me here. I appreciate it so much. Have a GREAT day!

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I had the same symptoms and ended up with a diagnosis of Diverticulitis and a colon resection. You should contact a DR and have some tests run to determine the cuase as soon as possible,becasue many times it can be taken care of through diet rather than surgery. I have been fine ever since, but I probably could have averted the surgery, had I had listened to my body earlier and seen a DR.

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Weight increase is unusual when you have bowel problem. Normally you get the opposite. I agree with auntyjude - keep your diet simple until you have the problem diagnosed. Fiber should be added gradually in any circumstances, but especially when you have a problem. The fact that you are putting on weight means that you are eating a hell of a lot of the wrong food or you have another problem. Diverticulitis is not a factor in weight increase although it can lead to a swollen tummy like many tummy problems - but not weight increase (other than one or two kilos by virtue of the swollen tummy).

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Thanks for the info ...

I juiced this morning and skipped lunch. Had a big salad for dinner, and a piece of chicken. Herb tea before retiring.

My 29 yo daughter was here yest, with her 3 kids. She said I looked pregnant. Hubby noticed my tummy this evening. I am so swollen! The pain has subsided some what ... or maybe I'm just getting used to it?

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Feel much better today, thank the good Lord! I ate "natural" yesterday. Added yogurt and even some butter-milk to get active cultures in my colon. Tummy is still swollen, but not nearly as much, and pain has subsided greatly.

The scales dropped 4 1/2 pounds between yesterday morning and this morning!!! I am shocked! Don't know what this is all about, but certainly won't gripe about it.

You have all helped me so much with your knowledge ... Let me ask you all something. After having this type of "attack" ... can life simply go back to normal? Do you have any suggestions on what I can eat to prevent this from ever happening again? I never want to experience this again!

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Hi! This post caught my eye and I am wondering if anyone can help me out.

Starting 4 mos ago, I would get pain mostly on my left, but sometimes my right...I felt it mostly in front, but a little in the back.

I have had an ultrasound, a vaginal ultrasound and both were fine. I have had tons of blood and urine tests and everything was fine also.

So, then last week, I had a colonoscopy and EGD. I thought for sure pouches would be found in my colon....nope....all was fine.

I have really been paying attention to when it happens, and it does seem related to mostly nuts, which is why I was sure I had pouches or Diver. It also happens when I eat a certain protein bar. The pain is not a typical stomach ache pain....it does not come and go....when I have it, it's just there all the time.

So....now I am more baffled than ever. I know someone with Diver and she said to still avoid nuts etc because maybe it's ready to start happening.

My Gastro dr said maybe it's just gas or something. Everything I have read in regard to IBS does not seem to fit the profile for me either.

Any ideas?

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Post>>It also happens when I eat a certain protein bar. The pain is not a typical stomach ache pain....it does not come and go....when I have it, it's just there all the time.<<

This part of the post caught my eye.
I was not going to answer here but decided to share.
The protein bar probably had Soy as an additive right?

Well, when I had similar problems it turned out to be a bad case of endometriosis and pelvic adhesions gluing my internal organs together and creating a huge problem.
I too got worse when I would eat Protein Bars.
We finally figured out that it was probably the phytoestrogen content of the soy product stimulating the growth of endometriosis which feeds on estrogen.
Now I know there are going to be those soy advocates who think I am speaking holistic blasphame, but this was my experience and eliminating all soy and all products with soy additives from my internal consumption was of marked benefit for my condition.
Unfortunately, the condition went untended for too long and the adhesions did enough dammage to require three surgeries in less than a year.
Enddometriosis and pelvic adhesions can cause all kinds of bowel distress.
My colon would swell too. It would swell so badly that the blockage could be seen in my pelvis when I would lay down.
It was all adhered stool that was stuck to the intestinal side wall. Part of the stool would pass but the blockage would build and the discomfort was tremendous.
The pain was constant colon spasms and the pain from my gut being twisted and stuck to other organs and muscles.
This kind of condition is often connected to a metabolic disorder that manifests in the female reproductive organs, but also may include ones pancreatic function.
The only way to get an accurate diagnosis is to have a sugrical Laproscopic procedure done.
If the problem really is endometriosis and adhesions, then it is best to discuss options for treatment with a Doctor who specializes in this kind of medical condition.
I eventually needed a Reproductive Endocrinologist to handle the problem and it's numerous complications.
If insurance is a concern I suggest trying to get in with a womans clinic at a teaching hospital.
There are also social services available for people who are either uninsured or under insured.
It takes a bit of work to figure out which programs
are available.
Sometimes trouble shooting a pelvic pain problem can be a long and difficult road.
I've been working with my condition actively and agressively for over a year.
There are good answers. But you have to be real persistent and patient.
Good Luck and Good Health
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Thanks Kat! I have read about Endo. At this point it just seems related to those bars and nuts, which the bars have nuts in them. I think I will wait and see now that I have eliminated those foods from my diet.

But if my symptoms come back again, I will push it further.

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Interesting Kat! Thanks for your time and important info.

I have had a complete hysterectomy, due to severe displesia. Endo never seemed to be a problem for me, although my gynecol. said that I had it before my hyster. I wonder how all that you said would effect me?

How did you deal with blockages? Are you an advocate of cleansing fasts, etc?

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Grace, I suppose it would all depend on the externaal condition of your bowel post hysterectomy.
If any endometrial implants were left behind there is always the chance the endometriosis and/or adhesions could have grown back.
Since you had dysplasia it's probably real likely that you not only had endometriosis but that you might have had adhesions too.
Where endo appears adhesions are almost always involved.
Adhesions are caused by the immune system being triggered to fight off a foreign invader or to protect a wound.
Since displasia is caused by the HP virus who knows how your body reacted.
Endometriosis and adhesions are a big frustrating mystery. A lot of women have endometriosis and don't have any pain. Endo differs from woman to woman and more often it's the adhesions that cause pain or the irritation of the adhesions to the colon which then causes the colon to be spastic and the pain is then caused by the colon spasms which also contribute to the bowel becoming backed up.
So if you have any adhesion growth in your pelvis that is irritating your bowel then that might be something that could be giving you problems.
Adhesions are almost impossible to diagnose unless someone goes into the pelvis with a laproscope and takes a look around.
Of course, you don't want to be getting a whole bunch of surgeries done because the remedy of having the adhesions removed from internal organs carries it's own problems.
The eventual decision to have the adhesions lysed is one that can only be made by you and your doctor with respect to any organ compromise going on in your body.
The Doctor you see should have a feel one way or another about adhesions if you ask.
My adhesions were diagnosed by the Gastroenterologist from just the description of my symptoms.
And then again, there might not be any adhesions at all and your bowel could be spastic for completely unknown and different reasons.
But that's the nature of Irritable Bowels.
They can have an obvious reason or they can remain a huge mystery.
Currently, I deal with my Bowel compromises with medicines. I have to be on some pretty heavy duty anti spasmodics, daily Miralax, and anti nausea meds.
I keep a store of medications at home for emergencies because it beats the heck out of the Emergency Room and having another Emergency Surgery.
Once you do an Emergency surgery for that kind of problem you get real prudent about meds and foods and activity and a whole bunch of things that need to be taken into daily consideration.
Impactions and blockages can and do become life threatening events very quickly so it's important to stay on top of things.
So my formula is a bit of medicine combined with holistic therapys to help with stress relief and a vigilent eye on my diet.
I blend many modalities all towards the effort of betterment.
Considering the amount of Adhesion and Endo dammage I had to my innards I think I am doing amazingly well.
At least I am able to eat now and I do manage a daily BM. Believe it or not, I consider that a huge accomplishment.
I do not advocate the use of fasting to accomplish the cleansing of the bowel.
Doing a serious fast is unsafe unless under the guidence of a person who knows the ins and outs of fasting. You can do some real metabolic dammage by doing a fast incorrectly.
Additionally, since one needs to keep stress off the bowel, it would probably be counter productive to fast
and place unnecessary stress on your body system and the bowel. For some people the detoxing process alone can throw the body into a healing crisis.
You could however simplify the diet and lean towards bland but healthy foods for a few days.
Eating small, well planned and measured meals is more productive.
If you increase your fiber be sure to increase your water.
Fiber is going to be a very important part of taking care of the bowel no matter what the problem.
I would suggest doing a search on the 7 kinds of Fiber and do some study on what the different types of fiber can do for you. Then structure your dietary needs accordingly.
Having a colonoscopy should clarify if your problems are internal problems with Diverticuli. Most Gastroenterologists want to go that route first to rule out those kinds of problems.
You probably need to be seeing a Doctor when your symptoms are at their worst. sometimes Doctors have to see the problem in action in order to get a clue.
At some point you need specific guidence with respect to your dietary and medicine needs for your specific body situation.
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Kat,
Your post is very good and complete advice!!

My experience with gastroenterologist has not been very good since they now have scopes --- their diagnoses abilities have gone down hill ---they want to see things and do the scope testing.

I had half of my colon removed in March,2002 because of chronic bleeding diverticulas. I lost half my blood while in the ER and past out---- that sorta gets peoples attention.

The Doc didn't want me to go to the ER at 11:30 pm. My hemoglobin went from 16 to 8.4 in about 3 hours.

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WOW KAT! What a wonderful post. THANK YOU! Very informative and helpful. You know your stuff!

I was talking to my sister this morning and she jogged my memory. Do you know that I forgot all about being diagnosed with a spastic colon years ago??? DUH!

I got a bad case of Salmonella in 1982. The results were harmful to the health of my colon. It spurred me on to having to go to a proctologist. Went through the whole series of lovely tests … barium enema, upper GI, proctoscope … you know the routine

After spending thousands of $ on testing, the diagnosis was “spastic colon”! Doctors recommendation? Metamucil twice a day!

I somehow forgot the whole ordeal above, for within just a few months of all the above I recovered and have had no problems since … until recently.

The facts you gave me concerning endometriosis scares me! Adhesions? Never heard of such a thing! Ugh!

I have read that if one was to eat properly, meaning a mainly a diet of veggies/fruit/lean meat, that your body has the ability to heal itself. The thought of having to have “adhesions lysed” makes the above alternative sound very appealing. Want to also heal my thyroid and adrenal. A 40% raw diet is suppose to be very effective. No processed foods, only "true" foods.

Since you have knowledge of natural/holistic methods, will you please share? Don’t mean to wear you out … I really appreciate all you are teaching me. I know that others are benefiting from your rich knowledge.

Thanks so much ~ Joy

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Posted>>The Doc didn't want me to go to the ER at 11:30 pm. My hemoglobin went from 16 to 8.4 in about 3 hours.<<<

That's a terrible story Harry! Yes, it's all too scary what we get told.
My Doctor didn't want me to go to the ER either and told me to do a fleet enema with a pulse over 100.
That was the gynecologist.
My poor husband had to carry me screaming like a mad woman into the ER.
One has to wonder what goes through the medical mind sometimes.
What a lousey way to gather research material!
Next time I'd rather read a book.
But heck, we survived and that's a good thing.
Hang in there.
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Posted>>I have read that if one was to eat properly, meaning a mainly a diet of veggies/fruit/lean meat, that your body has the ability to heal itself. The thought of having to have “adhesions lysed” makes the above alternative sound very appealing. Want to also heal my thyroid and adrenal. A 40% raw diet is suppose to be very effective. No processed foods, only "true" foods<<

Basically, what you have read can be true. But how one gets from point A to B is a whole other matter and an awfully tall order to fill.
Not everyone who travels the pure and natural path comes out whole.
It takes a lot more than a diet or a homeopathic remedy
to facillitate the kind of changes a lot of people expect.
Back in the old days when Holistic concepts were still
a part of the counter culture we refered to Holistic as
Wholistic to focus on the idea of wholeness.
Then came the marketing of the mystics and Wholistic became Holistic meaning those things that are Holy. Because such things as energy balancing and remedys and energy points in the body were all part of traditions that embraced the development of the mind, body and spirit. So eventually Whole became Holy and Holy, became mainstream. And when things become mainstream the reality of any one particular remedy or practice gets a bit lost between application and lore.
So Theoretically, it is possible to make sweeping changes and transformative happenings in the body and then the life or vice versa.

I don't know if changing your diet or doing healing work with your endocrine system will facillitate the total healing you are looking for.
I believe that doing certain things could make your situation better and it could also help you reach a more clear understanding of the things going on with your body. But to totally heal the malady, I believe, is a matter between the individual and the destiny of their soul. It then becomes a matter between man and God. And at that point there is none who can say what is fault or fate.
I believe less in fault and more in the process of healing. I believe that healing that arises from the experiences of any stage is valuable. So definately, a big change in diet and ones approach to the nutrition and health of the body vehicle will serve to the betterment of the individual.
But if you are dealing with a chronic health problem there is also the need for wisdom to know which modality might be the right modality for an illness at any stage. Alternative healing processes didn't save me from surgery. I've had 3 in less than a year.
All 3 surgeries were a necessity at the time I had them. Especially that emergency surgery.
But that does not mean the alternative and holistic path failed. It means that I needed to blend the best of both worlds to help facillitate the best and most positive out come for retaining a good quality of life.
So if the quality of life becomes compromised it's important to be whole enough within ones self to relinquish ones preconceived notions and embrace a radically different approach towards a higher good.
So in learning about alternatives, also learn about the realities in medicine and find the path that works best for your body with your needs.
Sometimes you might find your good answer in some anciet wisdom. And other times you might find your answers through modern science.
I have found that blending the best of both worlds is the more clear answer to on going recovery.
There are many many things that come together to make a healing. We each need to choose the tools we think will serve us best.
Having adhesions lysed was not nearly as bad as having my colon stuck to the pelvic muscle in two places with the curve forcing my bowels to try to move up hill.
I was actually glad to have that third surgery done.
It's given me some hope regarding the destructiveness of the Endometriosis.
I worked with some pretty intensive holistic therapy for several months trying to avoid another surgery.
And pretty much, I think the applications I used really did make things easier on me.
My body is not the ideal body of ease. I'm a bit of a physical challenge given the fact that I've survived a few bad accidents.
So definately, the use of Holistic and alternative methods are something I will continue to use as a part of my on going lifestyle.
For the adhesions, I work with Olive Oil packs on my pelvis and massage. The massage is specific energy work geared towards bringing a balance to my body that has gone through so much change.
My personal modalities are energy and body balance and essential oils. There are some specifics with body postures and stretching that I also find helpful.
The most important Holistic thing you can do for your body is to try and stay motivated to find the best avenue for your own body well being. Our answers are not always easy but we can choose how we repond to the circumstances we encounter with our bodies. So, to make the best of ones health is the best that one can do.
You might find information on the Macrobiotic theorys
of health and nutrition interesting.
You could begin there and see what sounds workable to you as an individual.
The healing journey is often spured on by our physical need to find answers and relief.
But the events we encounter and the knowledge we discover are things that emerge to enrich our lives.
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I applaud you once again for your wonderful post dear kat. Thanks for all you have shared ... your time and heart, your knowledge and experience.

I feel directed to follow my own heart, as well. Therein lies the substance of divine inspiration, truth, and reality. He will direct my paths.

May God bless you as you walk upon this journey. May He bring healing to your being, and allow us to both become Holy and whole
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Really Great Site!
Well heck, with faith, trust, hope and the spring sale at the whole foods market how much better does life get!
I'm sure we are going to come along with our healings just fine. One small step is a big accomplishment one day at a time.
All the best to you and keep smiling.
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