posted 06-22-2002 06:37 AM            

Anways I've been drinking beer everyday like 13 years now, I mean like 20 a night for several years. I don't hardly eat anymore, makes me feel so weak!!

I stopped drinking two months ago for a whole 21 days!!! The Detox lasted aLOT longer then they said they would.

It must have been at least 14 days with the shakes, inside and out..........cold, then hot, back forth. Seems like I twitch so hard I can't breathe........matter of fact, when I wake, I get like two hours that are good, then have to drink or I can't breathe and start twitching!!!!!

If I'm busy and don't drink right away the twitching is even more intense, it scares the Sh**t outta me! I've searched all over the net, but the don't like to list detox withdraws symptoms for some reason, or I just don't know where to look.

Even after stopping 21 days and using ONE day, I had the withdraw again!!!! You'd think it'd be gone by then.

At this time, I don't so much drink to get drunk, but not to twitch, and so I can BREATHE!!!!!!!! I feel like my bones are so tense they will twist together, and my chest will cave in. Even now after drinking this much, it's still not enough........WHY can't I breathe anymore??

Really I've been on something since I was 15.........used to do heavy drugs, but stopped like 10 years ago. (i'm 31)........

Then just drank, after all it's just beer, not hard alcohol!!!!!!! Guess the jokes on me.

I'm so scared of all those days of twitching and my heart beating weird, not being able to sleep cause you just can't, waking up all sweaty and being cold when it's 90 degrees outside.

Not to mention how I look 1/2 the time. You'd think I'm on hard drugs don't take care of myself anymore, don't wear makeup, do my hair.........lol, I don't even eat!!!!! (did eat a small order of curly fries yesterday) [even though I have a fridge full of healthy foods].

You can get Detox here at a local convience store, and I'm thinking of buying some. I do take meds for anxiety everyday, and last time I was taking like 6 pills a day and still couldn't relax.

Okay, I know this post is all over, but any advice here????

Oh, and glad I found this site, just wish I would have sooner.

posted 06-22-2002 06:28 PM            

I've been on anxiety meds for like 10 years now for panic disorder and I tookk xanax for 8 years. My new Dr. took me off that and is giving me Vistaril, which
is working pretty good.

posted 06-22-2002 06:33 PM            

I do have ins and could go in detox, but I had a bad experience the last time I went, so I'm staying away from those places.

My hubby was with me last time I detoxed, so that made me feel a little better. I liked knowing he was here, but really just stayed up in my room alone.

I never would have thought I end up like this!!!! I'm a sucsessful person (right). I know noone thinks this will happen to them, then bammmmm!!

I feel my anxiety level would get higher being in the hospital, just going there freaks me out. It's a good thing I'm subborn, I wont give up on quitting.

Thanks,
Gin

posted 06-25-2002 01:28 AM            

I read stuff like this and it almost makes me think i can drink like i used to. i drank five to seven beers a night for several years and thought it was out of control so i stopped about eighteen months ago, still break down every couple of weeks, and have a six pack, then get back on the wagon.

posted 06-25-2002 03:35 AM            

I couldn't drink that much at first, but after several years of drinking the amount I drink is going up and up. I used to only drink 6 or so a night like you too, then it took 10 to make that work, then more & more.

Then the next day I always have to drink big glasses of water, one after the other, I'm always dehydrated!! Don't want to say go ahead and drink 6, I did that for years, it kinda creeps up on you a beer at a time till you're outta control!!

Hope you don't choose to go down the path the way mine ended.......(or should I say is now, sure not the end).

posted 06-25-2002 07:47 AM            

She is now drinking more water every day. 1/2 her body weight in water, and taking a mineral sea/salt for the electrolyte balance. 1/4 teas. per quart of water, and a reg. iodine table salt on her foods. She's doing so much better, and looks good too. She has also lost the bloating and wrinkling, and shakes. She just mixes the sea/salt(a good mineral one)in a small amount of water, she loves the taste. Also when she does get the shakes she drinks at least a cup of water and takes some sea/salt on the end of her tongue. If you have excessive swelling cut back on the sea/salt but keep drinking the water. Then increase the sea/salt when the swelling goes down. Hope this helps you too. Diana

posted 06-25-2002 08:33 AM            

Guess that's kinda good i don't have it right? Must be drinking enough water I guess.

Oh, and I failed agian at stopping to drink..........but all hope is not lost.....

Is there any thing I can do since I don't have swelling.......will salt water stuff help me too?

Thanks......

posted 06-26-2002 02:45 AM            

One thing, I understand about the sugar cravings and all that, but why should i eat 2500 calories a day! I don't hardly like to eat at all, I don't think I could eat that much.

What is the difference, especially since I don't like candy much and eat mosly fruit. Why does my calorie intake effect my withdraws?

Thanks for the info..........could you post the link to that site you mentioned? I've had SUCH the hard time finding things about detox.......or am I not looking in the right places....

Any help on that?

Oh, and glad you're back w/yor honey and sober. I've never seen a site say detox could last a month! Do hope you post that link.

Thanks,

posted 06-26-2002 02:50 AM            

My Dr. told me I need vitamins, guess I'm anemic (sp)! Guess I'll go buy some......starting next monday I'm gonna have a food plan out there......

I know I have to eat to live, but wish we could take a pill to just not eat .....

posted 06-26-2002 03:04 AM            

This might sound however, but here's my theory why we're addicts.......our brains seem to work overtime! We can't relax for whatever reason, no matter how we try.

I can be dead tired, but it never fails.....I can't sleep, not only do I get a second wind, but a third and sometimes a forth!!!!! lol

IMO some use just to relax, cause our minds wont stop.......all the really intelligent inventors of the world had mental things,,,,,,,,, IMO their minds wouldn't stop either, just went on and on.

Sure we can prevail, but are some just prone to use cause of the mind racing????

Okay, I'm rambling.............. I'll shut up no!

What ya think?

posted 06-26-2002 03:16 AM            

Thanks for your kind words, and you're so right, it's not over till you're dead! (and I don't even plan to go there anytime too soon!)

Another thing that sucks is, I have great real nails, but I'm wanting to bite them off!!! Stresssss lol, she's a *****.

I've made it this far, as you have too (unless you're a ghost hehehe), think we'll make it. After all........only the good die young.

posted 06-30-2002 01:18 AM            

Congrats on 3 weeks clean that's so great!!!!!! Give yourself a BIG pat on the back, you desirve it!

On the other hand, guess I get the whip, cause I'm STILL struggling and drinking right now. This is not what I said as a kid I wanted to grow up to be lol.

I'm not giving up hope though......one day I'll be posting saying I'm at 3 weeks.

About the calorie thing.....one question - (I'm just not completely understanding) say if someone eats 2800 calories a day & they're addicted to sugar, they need to diet, they cut calories back. Why wouldn't I instead of eating? I hear what you mean my body is used to the calories, but it's used to beer calories not food.

posted 06-30-2002 01:25 AM            

Thanks for the info, there is so much about addiction I didn't have a clue about!! Why don't Dr.s tell us more info, instead of that is bad for you.

Like I told mineman, the quitting is not going well, its one day on, one day off. I guess even being clean for one day is better then none. But I refuse to give up.....!

posted 07-05-2002 04:56 AM            

You're such a sweetheart being so nice to me like this : )

Well, I'm 31 myself, so hope I don't do this another 9 years!!!! Especially this weekend after being attacted beat up and almost raped. Thank GOD my brother was there to stop it and wanted to kill the guy. He could hear me screming NOOOOOo and stop from downstairs and came running to help!!! My man was passed out cause we drank too much........no to mention they guy stole my man's wallet, luckily only 45 bucks in there, and got all credit cards canceled before he could charge anyting!!!!!!!!1

This is what happens when you drink and put yourself in situations you normaly wouldn't!!!!! Now I'm up, drinking and can't sleep, not to mention I got brised on both arms and legs bad, and a small one on my face.

He was trying to pull me to him and i was fighting back (hell yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) NO man touches me when I say NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Oh, and went to the cops too.....they took pics and we have an idea how to find him and will.

Okay this is a ramble, but this is what drinking and having "fun" brought me this weekend.....holiday, whatever.

posted 07-05-2002 05:00 AM            

For the last week bet I've ate the whole week what some eat at one normal meal!!!! I'm starting to think rehab is something I'll have to do......even though they scare me. (had 2 bad things happen in 2 differnt ones)

Well tomorrow is another day.....

Keep it up Frank glad you're starting to feel better.

posted 07-05-2002 05:06 AM            

That's the weird thing about addiction, even if you stop the cravings and longing don't ever seem to go away!!!! I mean come on, I drink beer.......no one ever told me in hardcore details what could happen, then again I'm probably too stubborn to listen if they did lol.

I mean it's 4am, I can't sleep, got beat up this week and still I'm drinking............I'd say do I need to be hit over the head but that already happened and still I'm drinking.

Guess I'M my own worst enemy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sometimes wish I could go back in time and change everything.

Gin

posted 07-05-2002 05:09 AM            

When you say "when you first take in water" does that mean untill you're clean you don't take it in? Cause I drink about a gallon of water a day, probably why I'm never hungry......or even if I am I don't eat.

I'm very interested in this min sea/sal treated & milk thistle thing....never heard of that, more details please?

Thanks...

posted 07-06-2002 06:54 AM            

Monday I'm going at this again full force (stopping drinking).....ever notice addicts like to start things on Monday's??? So sick of feeling like this, so sick of my insides wanting to cramp up and twitch.

Thanks for the support....

posted 07-06-2002 07:00 AM            

You know the feeling of being sick and tired of being sick and tired!!!!! It's like a dog chasing his tail running around in circles.

Like I told mineman, Monday I am gonna start at this full force, I'm sick of feeling this way. Sick of twitching untill I have several beers in me.......think I've drank about 15 tonight. That & the fact I ate 1/2 a salad and chips and salsa yesterday and that's a good eating day!!!!

I need to eat.....feeling so weak.....

Thanks
Gin

posted 07-06-2002 10:36 PM            

Thanks again. I will keep coming here, even though it seems like I'm saying the same thing over & over!!! Can you say BROKEN record??? lol

Hope you're having a good holiday weeked : )

posted 07-08-2002 01:35 AM            

First off, alcohol will suppress the secretion of vasopressin from the pituitary gland. Lack of vasopressin in circulation will translate to general dehydration of the body-even in the brain cells. When this happens to the brain it will translate to a very severe drought in the "sensitive cells" of the brain. To cope with this "stress," more of the various hormones are secreted, including the body's own addictive 'endorphins'.

Prolonged use of alcohol may be instrumental in promoting addictive tendencies to endorphin secretion in the body--triggering the secretion of excess endorphins. Women,because of their natural tendencies to increased endorphin production to cope with childbirth and their monthly cycle, seem to become addicted to alcohol more readily than men. Women become addicted in aprox. 3yrs, compared to mens 7yrs.

The vasopressin receptor is naturally designed to keep the waterways in the nerve systems fully topped-up. Naturally, in dehydration of the nerve system, the energy and ability to do this work are drastically reduced.

In severe dehydration, produced by the habitual intake of alcohol and caffine, when water has to be urgently pumped into the "waterways" in the nerves, more blood circulation has to be brought alongside the nerves. The process will involve the release of hisamine from the cells in the lining that cover the nerves. This will, at some point, cause an inflammatory situation that will eventually damage the lining of the nerves in the vicinity--at a faster pace than can be repaired. The outward manifestations of such a 'regional' process have been labeled as different nerve disorders, including ones like MS(multiple sclerosis) With proper rehydration along with some keys supplements these disorders can be corrected or prevented.

Gin, since you don't have a great intake of foods, you'll need to take a good supplement daily, and in addition to that you need to replace eletrolytes and clean out the liver.

I told you at the beggining of this post that I know a girl that drinks alot of beer too..way too much for many years. This is what I recommend she do....she is doing this and has seen results for the cravings, sleeplessnes, dry skin, shakes, yellow eyes, itching, panic attacks,appitite, and energy. Its taken some doing, she's been at it about 3months and has been feeling alot better. She's cut WAY down on the beers, and craves the water and the sea/salt now. You sound like your ready to try to move forward with this, I hope so for your sake. I don't even know you but I care what happens to you...strange, the more I read your posts the more I want to help.

Here's is what she's doing....Daily.
Daily vitamin.
Kelp (good quality)
Calcium and magnesium, before bedtime hours.
Potassium, if she didn't get any in a food source that day.Like a banana or potatoes, orange juice(just one glass)
Milk Thistle,250mg of with 80% of silymarin content.
1/4 teas. of a good mineral sea/salt am and pm. The kind I bought her is Redmond sea/salt. She also will use a touch of this on her tongue with a glass of water, when any of her symtoms appear. Like itching from her hep-c, or panic attacks..etc.
For you the B-vit. complex would be great for the nerves since you don't eat very much. Vit-c increases your appitite also.

In between the beers she drinks which is down to 3or4, 2 or 3 times a week, she drinks a cup and a half of water with just a touch of sea/salt on the tip of her tongue. She carries a vile of sea/salt in her purse. A 35mm camera container would work if you have one.

The swelling I was talking about can sometimes happen, you'll notice it in the hands or the feet the most. Just cut back on the salt till it disapears. Then increase it again.

The sea/salt will help replace some electrolytes and it also opens the blood vessels, and sends a message to the body that it just received a large amount of water, and allows the vessels to relax and pump it through the system more efficently.

Hope you can try this, and keep at it. It should help with the withdrawls.

Remember to eat alittle something with the daily vitamin.

I'll try and check back again soon in case you have any more questions.
Take care...sorry to hear about the creep that attacked you....hope they ring his neck....