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elitebeats Newbie  Posts: 4 |
posted 02-02-2003 03:17 AM
  
First of all, for anybody who i thinking about trying or using oxycontin, DONT DO IT. I have a few questions and was hoping maybe some people who have dealt with or recovered from oxy abuse could help. I began using oxy in august 2002, recreationally. Gradually, over the past 6 months my tolerance has gotten higher and higher and at this point I am up to taking at least 80mg per day, sometimes 160. I've been taking the liquid "oxydose" as well. After new years we decided to quit but that only lasted a few days, and now I'm using more than I was before. I just wish I ould have NEVER touched this evil drug that I call "the devil in pillform" I've cried myself to sleep many nights just hoping that I could osmehow get the willpower to just STOP, but to no avail. I relaize that atopping cold turkey is probably not the best route to take, but thats what I'd like to do. So my question is: What can I take to relieve or get rid of the withdrawal symptoms? MOST importantly, what can I take to relieve me from feeling like I just want to crawl in a hole and die? The sleepless and restless nights are just too much, I've just started my own business and do not want this drug to ruin my oppertunity...I'm 22 yers old and I do not want to live the rest of my life dependent on ANYTHING. Please help! Thanks! also, a friend gave me a bottle of "neurontin" 300mg tabs, she said it is for addiction, but im not sure, if anybody has taken neurontin for oxy abuse, please let me know! Kevin James, IP: Logged |
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karloff Senior Member Posts: 127 |
posted 02-02-2003 04:54 AM
Elite, Here is your withdrawl plan, stick to it!! First you need one bucket(To get sick in)near your bed! Next your going shopping!! Get a couple bottles of Gaterade(Great to battle dehydration),Immodium AD(For diarrhea),Immodium is also a mild opiate,so it makes your withdrawl a little easier!When you get the Immodium,make sure you get the liquid,not the tablets! Next you will need a couple of packages of sleep aids!The more you sleep,the better!!You will also need Tylenol for muscle cramps! My friend if you can get a Doctor to prescribe you Trazadone for insomnia,so much the better!Also ask the Doc for Clonedine(used for high blood pressure)it makes withdrawl easier by lowering your blood pressure thus stopping leg and stomach spasms!! If you can get all these things your ready for your 5 day adventure called "Cold Turkey" and what an adventure it is!! Not to worry, the withdrawls are not life threatening like withdrawls from Benzo's(Xanax,valium etc)opiate withdrawl is just like a ver,very bad flu! You will survive!! Day one is not so bad..appox 8-12hrs after your last opiate you will began to yawn,watery eyes, sneezing...you will get very tired and fall into a deep sleep for about 5-6 hours. You will awaken the next day sick to your stomach...the infamous "Runs" your bones will ache, your back will sing out in pain and you will start to feel "The crazy leg syndrome" your legs will start to go into spasms and kick back and forth! That's where we get the term "Kicking the habit" Yep day two is alot of fun if you like pain!But you will survive! Take your immodium and drink your gatorade! Also take your sleep aids!! As many as you need to knock you out!Hot baths also help alot for the legs and back and to relax you! If you have a viabrator or electric messager for your back and legs,great!! Your third day is not so bad...REALLY! You think the worst is over...WRONG!! but so what! at least you get a little break....your body still hurts..but not as much! It also depends on what medications you were able to get from your Doctor and the drug store! Day four..is bad...you want to stop but don't!! Take more sleep aides!! YOU WANT TO SLEEP!! Have your friends take turns rubbing your back and legs!! IT helps!! Belive it or not day five is not so bad..you will feel jittery...and nervous and weak but a little better...sleep some more! When you wake up to day six your FREE!!! Good for you!! Remember what you went thru...so you won't have to do it again!! GOOD LUCK!! IP: Logged |
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maildawn Member Posts: 49 |
posted 02-02-2003 10:42 PM
I'm just curious as to how you were able to get the medicines? I don't mean to pry, just curious how someone gets so much for such a long period of time. I've been in severe pain for 13 years and couldn't find a doctor to prescribe anything! Just had to suffer... I hope I'm not offending you by asking. I hope you're better real soon and send you my vote of confidence and support! It WON'T be easy, but you CAN do it!! Good luck. IP: Logged |
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karloff Senior Member Posts: 127 |
posted 02-03-2003 01:12 AM
Maildawn, First off you must have a legit chronic pain ailment! Mine is Ankylosing Spondilitis(Arthritis of the Spine). Second, you must come prepared with X-rays or Ultra-Sounds or MRI's to back up your proof of a legit ailment. Third, you must remember, your primary doctor will not prescibe you large amounts of opiates for your condition.Doctors are scared of the DEA investigating there records...also too much paper work is involved in documenting a pain patient. Fourth, that is why you have your primary doctor refer you to a pain specialist doctor. These Doctors don't worry about prescribing large amounts of opiates if you have a legit condition because they follow every rule in dispensing prescriptions. A good Doctor will tell you that you need not be a martyr to your pain! Your suffering impresses no one! Long gone are the days when you had to suffer in agony and silence! A diabetic needs their insulin,a chronic pain sufferer needs their opiates! It as simple as that! IP: Logged |
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elitebeats Newbie Posts: 4 |
posted 02-03-2003 11:35 PM
How did I get the medicine? I got it from this one guy on the corner who had a big hat on that said "O.C. 4 sale". Asking a question like that really wasn't relevant to the nature of why I was posting. Does it really matter where I got the medicine? No....I'm just looking for some support and suggestions on how to temper down the agony of detox ailments...so if you've been through it, fill me in on some secrets, if not, than thanks for the support; and if you need some Oxy just look for the guy with the hat that says "OCs for sale" IP: Logged |
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karloff Senior Member Posts: 127 |
posted 02-06-2003 04:07 PM
Does this "Guy" have the Oxy's in his "Hat"? IP: Logged |
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tgolds7266 Newbie Posts: 2 |
posted 02-07-2003 11:31 AM
Hey elite...i had a 18 year addiction to opiates..started with percocet and last few years i used oxys...80mgs..many per day...its a tough deal and there are a few options..if you email me i will be glad to try and guide you regarding this withdrawal...There are many pitfalls and ive been through all of them...tgolds7366@aol.com IP: Logged |
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DavidL Newbie Posts: 1 |
posted 02-11-2003 11:55 PM
I have nerve damage in my right hip from wearing a gunbelt & related equipment for 21 years. As a result I also have severe muscle spasms in my back that come on without warning. For the past year I have been ona prescription of 10 Mg. Oxycontin 2x per day. Recently my MD prescribed Norontin 300 Mg 3x per day and told me to stop using the OC, which I flushed. Now I can't sleep. I try, but it just doesn't happen. I know that it's withdrawls but what can I do? Any suggestions? IP: Logged |
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karloff Senior Member Posts: 127 |
posted 02-12-2003 01:46 AM
You want help? You can read my notes above,which are a huge help..or,you can call T-GOLD and I'm sure he would love to help you!! IP: Logged |
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Anabasis Member Posts: 40 |
posted 02-19-2003 02:22 PM
Dear Karloff, Your description of opiate/pharmaceutical withdrawels was worth a shot in the New England Journal of Medicine. I couldn't have said it better. People need to hear the real deal from those who have crossed those muddy waters. I have been off all dope for ove three years and I do remind myself regularly of the hell that I went through trying to get off some of these incredibly addictive substances. My favorites of course being Morphine, Daludid, Hydrocodone and Tusenex. I worked in a pharmacy and was able to experiment with many drugs. Never had the privelege to try Oxycotin. Looks like I was better off for it. Now I try to help others who are still suffering with addiction. We overcome by the power of our testimony! Thanks for sharing. Anabasis [This message has been edited by Anabasis (edited 02-19-2003).] IP: Logged |
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Anabasis Member Posts: 40 |
posted 02-19-2003 02:49 PM
Dear Elitebeats, How elite can an addict be? Nevertheless I felt amazing compassion when I read your story. Wish it really was a story right? Listen to what Karloff has to say, no one knows better than someone who has been there. I have been clean from all substances for well over three years but not a day goes by where I don't recall the pain and suffering that I endured throughout my constant and never-ending relapses and recoveries regarding drug addiction. It is a devilish spirit that overtakes us and only the power of God can deliver us from such an intense enslavement. Just the way the drug keeps calling us should substantiate this. Willpower is good but backed by Godpower you become great. Surrender to Him and I promise you the victory over your addictions, all of them. Anabasis, (look it up) Stand guard against your enemy whish just happens to be called Oxycotin. IP: Logged |
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karloff Senior Member Posts: 127 |
posted 02-20-2003 01:26 AM
Anabasis, I love your writing, your a trip!! I believe that all you say is true...your a wise lady! I hope that chronic pain sufferers heed your warning and only take what's prescribed for them! You play with fire,and you will be burnt! Morphine,Fentanyl,Oxycontin,Dilaudid all can ease one's horrible pain, just don't let it take control of you! Good Luck IP: Logged |
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dchc OI Member Posts: 48 |
posted 02-20-2003 02:11 AM
If you really need help, consider a Government Methadone clinic. There's one down the street from me. A lot of people from church go there and they take so much they have pinpoint pupils and nod. Most places will start you at around 30mg. They'll go as high as around 150. For very severe chronic pain maintenance, if a doctor is willing, around 5mg is the average. Some pain management places will go much higher depending on the situation. There are private clinics, but they're really expensive. IP: Logged |
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Anabasis Member Posts: 40 |
posted 02-22-2003 03:01 PM
DCHC>>>>>About that Meth clinic....been there done that and talk about slavery! My life became so empty and eventually I zoned into total bondage and almost died trying to detox from it. Recommendation>>>ZERO because that's what the score is when it's all said and done. Only a real disciplined and veteran addict need apply. KARLOFF>>>>> Re: "If you play with fire you will get burnt". IP: Logged |
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karloff Senior Member Posts: 127 |
posted 02-23-2003 02:40 AM
The book of "Job" is also good to read!! If Job could go thru his suffering with God's help, so could we, when we go thru withdrawl!! IP: Logged |
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Anabasis Member Posts: 40 |
posted 02-24-2003 08:01 PM
Dear Karloff, I have grown to take on the same attitude as Job in regards to suffering in all levels, not just with physical pain and our health but in all things. It is better to count ones blessings and have faith that things will get better. As Job remained faithful to God throughout all his pain and suffering God honored him by restoring his health and his wealth. If God did it for Job he can certainly do it for us. He is not a respector of persons. He loves everybody and "wishes that none should perish". He is our Healer, our Jehovah Rapha. (Hebrew)
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Risky Business Veteran  Posts: 360 |
posted 02-24-2003 08:17 PM
Dear Members: When I read this thread I felt some dissention. We all hopefully are here to assist or help each other no matter what. We or most of us know full well the fallen or downside of taking the pain meds. There is no sugar coating. They can ruin our lives. No lecture. Just straight talk. There are formulas that can help wean off these meds. For myself, I believe I would have to go into detox...because my circumstances are so complex and for most of my dx(diagnoses), narcotics are indicated. I have never intended to take meds for recreational use. I have had too many other problems. That doesn't mean that I feel better or above any members or anyone. It just means that I have a different dispisition when it comes to taking meds. Life is precious for and to myself and my family each and everyday. So in conclusion, I never pass judgement, and I believe we need each other as support and to have assess ourselves versus other members which usually proves to be helpful. My heart and best wishes go out to you all, Risky Business IP: Logged |
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kgd Newbie Posts: 1 |
posted 02-26-2003 12:16 AM
I've had chronic sinus infections for years and think Afrin has been a true friend to help me breathe during these times... perhaps 8-10 infections a year. I have a plan for using it, and a plan for getting off it if addicted. It's a friend, but is a wicked one. In using it, to try to avoid getting addicted, I found using it for 3 days, and then skip 2 days, back to using it for 3 days, or some pattern like that has helped me stay in control. BUT, when I do become addicted, the best way I've found to get off the stuff is to only use it in one nostril when the other nostril goes cold turkey... so you have one side that breathes beautifully, while the other side kicks the habit. It only takes a few days and having one side able to breathe beautifully makes the other side hardly noticable. In 3-4 days when the cold turkey side is fine, then stop using Afrin on the side you've been using it on. That nostril goes cold turkey, but the other side is fine. I swear with one side functioning fine, the other side gets better and you hardly realize it's going cold turkey. I've had chronic sinus infections for well over 25 years and Afrin is the best at unstuffing the nose... and the best at creating an addiction. IP: Logged |
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openseason Veteran Posts: 301 |
posted 02-26-2003 09:51 PM
elitebeats: oxycontin is synthetic heroin, in case you didnt know that which is why it is so addictive. I know a woman who ended up in prison over it. IP: Logged |
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karloff Senior Member Posts: 127 |
posted 03-01-2003 11:31 AM
Openseason, Oxycontin is not synthetic Heroin! Its Oxycodone, that synthetic heroin stuff is all hype! Oxycontin isn't even the most powerful pain medication out there, Fentanyl and Dilaudid are. As far as "addiction" is concerned,"addiction" is a mental illness. Chronic pain sufferers do not get "Addicted" to there pain medication. We become dependent, just like a diabetic becomes dependent on insulin or a high blood pressure patient becomes dependent to clonidine or an asthmatic becomes dependent on steroids! Addiction and dependency are to different things completely! Get your facts straight,and stop scaring people out of taking pain medication that can help them! IP: Logged |
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Anabasis Member Posts: 40 |
posted 03-03-2003 08:10 PM
To Elitebeats>>>>Dear Kevin, how is the detox going? I have thought about you for a few weeks now and I hope you made it throught the withdrawels. How is everything in Sarasota? Do they still have that wild beach bar in the center of Siesta Key? My boyfriend use to play in a band there. Is it called the Beach Club still? I use to live on Canal Road. Keep in touch because we all care about you. Don't let addiction alienate you. There can't be any shame in this game. Period. IP: Logged |
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Anabasis Member Posts: 40 |
posted 03-03-2003 08:14 PM
Dear Risky Business, what dissension? I read only kind words of love, support and helpful information. Oh, and a little humor. Which of course holds it's main purpose by not letting us take ourselves too seriously. IP: Logged |
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openseason Veteran Posts: 301 |
posted 03-04-2003 08:04 AM
Karloff: If a person has pain and uses the oxy, it is less likely the person will get addicted. Anyone can get addicted to these very addictive drugs. The risk of addiction varies from person to person. I have my facts straight, even if a person takes oxy for pain they may get addicted. Oxy is synthetic heroin, thats why it relieves pain so well. [This message has been edited by openseason (edited 03-04-2003).] IP: Logged |
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Autumn Angel Senior Veteran Posts: 1641 |
posted 03-04-2003 04:22 PM
I think what Karloff is saying and he is right is that there is a difference between addiction and dependance. If we use it for pain as perscribed by our doctors we do not become addicted our BODYS develop a tolerance to the drug and we need to withdraw just like an addict but we are not addicts. The doctors throw around the words addict and addiction way to much and it scares legitimate pain sufferers out of seeking the relief they need. Sure people can become addicted to it IF they ABUSE it and take more than perscribed and more often or they take it for the "high" it can give you. Anyone can become addicted to anything but if the directions are followed the chance is almost nil that the patient with become an addict. Dependence and Tolerance: The body becomes tolerant to the original dose and may need an increase by the doctor to get the relief one pill provided so they may need the doc to increase the dose to 2 or change the dose freuqency from 6 hours to 4 hours. Autumn. [This message has been edited by Autumn Angel (edited 03-04-2003).] IP: Logged |
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openseason Veteran Posts: 301 |
posted 03-04-2003 08:10 PM
I understand the distinction you are trying to make. The fact is people with pain pain can become addixted to painkillers. Doctors are not tryint to scare anyone, they are just stating the possible effects of the drugs. You weaken your whole explanation by stating "anyone can get addicted to anything". Earlier you said people with pain cannot become addicted to painkillers. In fact they can and do very often, even if they were not seeking a "high". IP: Logged |
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Dawn in NH Senior Member Posts: 221 |
posted 03-12-2003 06:09 AM
I agree - I suffer from Fibromyalgia, degenerative disc disease, thoracic lumbar strain, and arthritus. I have been on painkillers for 10 years now, Been on everything from Ultram, to Vicodin, to oxycontin, and now morphine. When you're in chronic pain, you don't "catch a buzz" from your meds. I agree you become dependant on it. That's the trouble with chronic pain - you go in thinking the docs are gonna help you, and you never intend to "get hooked" on narcotics. For me, I could never go cold turkey. I would need a rehab due to heart issues also. A doctor told me never to go cold turkey due to seizures - they can be life threatening. I said all that to say this - we each are different, and came upon our addictions differently. I didn't go out in the street looking to shoot up, but my addiction is the same. Anabasis, I'm in Hooksett, and I'd love to talk/e-mail with you. Good luck in your endevour to detox, and do what you gotta do to get there!! IP: Logged |
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bishop357x Junior Member Posts: 7 |
posted 03-19-2003 10:24 PM
I just have to say that when I read this thread I saw Karloff and Dawn in NH, and others be real, then there were some totally unrelated things to this specific thread, maybe its just me but what was with the Afrin post on this thread, what did that have to do with this, and I have to tell you from personal experience I wouldn't argue with Karloff on this so-called "synthetic heroin" thing you have going, it has nothing to do with heroin, just similar because of the Opioid factor, I've spent some time long times in Hong Kong, knew some people and I can tell you nothing about that statement is factual! I just hope if people keep adding to this thread its more based on things like alot of peeps on here have been stating, concern for this guy and checking up to see if hes all set with his hopefully clean-time! P.S. And for all you people that read this post watch for what Karloff and Dawn have to saw because Karloff is wise from what I've read, and Dawn in NH is along with compassion, good people on here! Just like in NA "Keep Coming Back" IP: Logged |
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GinaLee Senior Veteran Posts: 624 |
posted 03-19-2003 11:41 PM
Yeah Buddy! Do WHAT now? Due to my complete blonde status I would appreciate your comments more if you would refrain from the use of such big words when a more diminutive one would suffice. Thank you! In other words; sometimes people may not always understand the subject title. Try deep breathing therapy before you "down" someone who is completely new to the boards! ------------------ [This message has been edited by GinaLee (edited 03-20-2003).] IP: Logged |
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karloff Senior Member Posts: 127 |
posted 03-20-2003 12:27 AM
Gina,are you really a blonde bombshell? Just wondering... IP: Logged |
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Dawn in NH Senior Member Posts: 221 |
posted 03-20-2003 12:59 AM
Hey Bish - Wow - thanks for your compliment - I appreciate it more than you know. I'm feeling a little down today - it started with Stacy's post. I felt so badly for her, and her situation really smacked me upside my head and opened my eyes (hell, it hit me so hard my eyeballs almost fell out!). As a result, I've been down/hard on myself today, big time. Started wondering if there was anything good left to this empty shell of my former self. Then I saw your post. Those few nice words you wrote, and the time you took to write them were a gift. So thanks Bish - you made my day! Dawn IP: Logged |
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Anabasis Member Posts: 40 |
posted 03-20-2003 05:48 PM
What about me? I can appreciate all the acknowledgements but I have been trying to feel welcome on this board for several months and to no avail. There have only been one or two people that have said anything in response to my postings. I don't mean to feel sorry for myself I just want to feel part of. IP: Logged |
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Dawn in NH Senior Member Posts: 221 |
posted 03-20-2003 06:19 PM
Hi Anabasis - I have been waiting for you to post since I registered. You haven't posted in a while. The reason I have been waiting for you is I live in Hooksett and would love to coverse with you either by e-mail or phone. I have read many of your posts from your last one and back through the months. You sound like an intelligent, caring and insightful person. If you respond to this, we'll figure out a way to exchange e-mail addresses. God, it would be nice to talk to some one who's 10 minutes down the road!! Dawn IP: Logged |
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colfaceh Newbie Posts: 4 |
posted 03-21-2003 11:30 AM
Hi, I am also in my 20s and was in your shoes. I went to a pain management doc and told him I was popping too many pills, etc... IP: Logged |
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colfaceh Newbie Posts: 4 |
posted 03-21-2003 11:42 AM
Also, a great thing that's helping me to stay off of everything is Pills Anonymous. Just go to yahoo.com and type in pills anonymous, and poke around there. good luck, [[[[[Please read and follow the board posting guidelines [This message has been edited by moderator2 (edited 04-14-2003).] IP: Logged |
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GinaLee Senior Veteran Posts: 624 |
posted 03-21-2003 02:34 PM
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Anabasis Member Posts: 40 |
posted 03-24-2003 08:35 PM
Thanks Dawn for responding. I do admit that I'm not on this site alot because I work and do alot of church related things. That's what I do so I get out of myself and help others. When I was in NA my sponser said that the program wasn't hard. You only have to change one thing she said, yourself! So I began a new life doing everything but what I use to do. I traded in 12 step groups for Jesus Christ and it's the best move I ever made. Been clean for over three years and loving life, myself and believe it or not, even some pretty annoying people. IP: Logged |
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ADowgie Newbie Posts: 5 |
posted 06-11-2003 12:24 PM
Yesterday my fiance admitted to me that he has been abusing Oxycontin. He is trying to quit right now, but I feel so lost. I am angry and feel I can't trust him at all but all I want to do is help him get better so I can have my old fiance back. If anyone has been in this situation before and has any useful information that will help us get over this hurdle, it woild be greatly appreciated! IP: Logged |
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ADowgie Newbie Posts: 5 |
posted 06-11-2003 12:24 PM
Yesterday my fiance admitted to me that he has been abusing Oxycontin. He is trying to quit right now, but I feel so lost. I am angry and feel I can't trust him at all but all I want to do is help him get better so I can have my old fiance back. If anyone has been in this situation before and has any useful information that will help us get over this hurdle, it woild be greatly appreciated! IP: Logged |
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ADowgie Newbie Posts: 5 |
posted 06-11-2003 12:24 PM
Yesterday my fiance admitted to me that he has been abusing Oxycontin. He is trying to quit right now, but I feel so lost. I am angry and feel I can't trust him at all but all I want to do is help him get better so I can have my old fiance back. If anyone has been in this situation before and has any useful information that will help us get over this hurdle, it woild be greatly appreciated! IP: Logged |
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ADowgie Newbie Posts: 5 |
posted 06-11-2003 12:26 PM
Yesterday my fiance admitted to me that he has been abusing Oxycontin. He is trying to quit right now, but I feel so lost. I am angry and feel I can't trust him at all but all I want to do is help him get better so I can have my old fiance back. If anyone has been in this situation before and has any useful information that will help us get over this hurdle, it woild be greatly appreciated! IP: Logged |
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