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Sarah68
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posted 07-25-2003 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sarah68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just wanted to post this topic for informative purposes really.

I read and reply to the topics contained in the Alternative Health Boards a lot. However, I keep reading posts from people on various subjects where they do seem to think that herbal medicines and homeopathic medicines are the same thing. They are not and should not be put together as one.

Basically, herbal medicines are taken in crude form, either as tinctures mixed up or as teas. They have a physiological effect on the body, which is why you need to be especially careful about drug interactions if you are taking conventional medicines too, as some just do not mix. Herbal medicines come from plants and other sources.

Homeopathic medicines on the other hand, are also made from plant, vegetable, animal and mineral sources, however, to make something homeopathic, it must be potentised. Potentisation of a remedy, means that it undergoes serial dilution and succussion. Without this potentisation process, any remedy is not homeopathic.

If something is taken in a crude form, then it is herbal.

If something is taken in a potentised form, then it is homeopathic.

Also, any flower essences such as the Australian Bush Flower Essences and Bach Flower Essences are not homeopathic either. Some people also refer to these as homepathic, but they are not, as they have not been potentised and the way in which they are made is totally different from homeopathic remedies.

Hope this helps?

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posted 08-04-2003 06:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hogan Grimm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Sarah68.
I read some of your posts about Homeopathic remedies and about what your doctor did for you. I think that is wonderful. I would just like to know though, since you have done this have you had any more problems with breaking out? If not, how long ago did you do this treatment and what was your specific problem that would cause your hives? Also how long do you take this treatment? And what specific kinds of remedies did you take? I would be very thankful for any info on this.

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posted 08-05-2003 11:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sarah68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
About two years ago, I went to see a homeopath on the recommendation of a friend. The first remedy I was ever given was Pulsatilla and that worked very well for a while. Following this, a friend of mine died and I was not very happy doing what I was doing at the time. I was quite depressed and started to have quite a lot of stomach problems. I went to a classical homeopath and was given Nat Mur LM1 up until about LM4 and was better from this. It was about a year or so ago now, that I came back from Lourdes in France after helping and I had a bad stomach and skin problems. Both myself and my homeopath felt that it was more to do with my liver though and that I was allergic to various substances. I think I had food sensitivities anyway and all this in one week just made it worse.

Following this, I took some Apis as a homeopathic antihistamine so to speak, I took some Nux Vomica for my stomach and then some Sulphur LM1 for about three days to help everything settle. It did and I was ok for a time.

I then found yet another homeopath and he prescribed Lycopodium in various different potencies and this was the remedy that worked very well for me. A very good liver remedy and I have had not itching or stomach problems since.

I have been through a series of remedies, so it is quite a slow process, but it does work.

I have since go onto train myself.

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posted 08-05-2003 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hogan Grimm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello sarah68.
Thankyou for the reply. The process may not be as slow as you think. It sounds to me if you might have discovered what you started taking in the latter half of you treatments, you might have gotten well sooner. Just a thought. Anyway, if you don't mind me asking. What made you Homeopath think that it might have been liver related? This is very important to me because I was a bad alcoholic for a very long time. Thank the good Lord though I have been alcolhol free for almost a year now. In fact in 3 more days it will be a year. Of coarse yours may not have been alcohol related. Now according to my doctor with the many countless blood tests which always come back showing nothing wrong. Anyway thanks for responding.
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posted 08-06-2003 06:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sarah68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, you need to think of the liver not just in Western terms, but in terms of energetics too. Homeopathy and acupuncture are both energetic medicines after all.

Anyway, in terms of Chinese medicine, the Liver, although it is what is known as a Yin organ is very strong and very powerful. It is responsible for the smoothe flow of Qi throughout the body and if any other organ in the body is weak, then the Liver will invade it and this is when you can start to get problems, such as Liver Qi Stagnation. A lot of stomach problems are caused by the energy of the Liver taking over other organs that are weaker, such as the Spleen.

Also, in Western terms, the liver is the largest organ and detox organ within the body. If it gets backed up with toxins so to speak, then you can also get stomach problems. However, the liver can self-repair very well and if you have been 'clean' for almost three years now, then there is a very good chance that your liver function tests will be completely normal. You should consider taking some Milk Thistle to help your liver. It helps hepatocyte regeneration and helps the liver to detox generally. You can get it in capsule or liquid form.

I do not think that I would have recovered any quicker had I known what remedies I was taking more quickly. It was a process that I had to go through and each remedy uncovered another layer that needed to be stripped away and was good for where I was at the time. The Nat Mur uncovered one layer and could only do so much, before I eventually needed another remedy that had a greater affinity for the liver to be able to get rid of the next layer.

As well as being a detox organ, the Liver is also related to anger, so if you get very angry or cannot express anger or suppress your anger because you do not know what to do with it or express it inappropriately, then this is all related to the Liver too.

Hope this helps and I think that you too could find homeopathy very helpful to you.

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posted 08-06-2003 09:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hogan Grimm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you sarah68. You have been very helpful. I wish there were more people here that were as helpful as you are. I have started a thread in the allergies section, and so far I haven't had much success in getting very many responses to anything. I'm just a guy looking for answers. And One who has done a lot of my own research as well. I am not going to take this lying down, although at times I do have my momments Because even with all the research, and everything I have tried, and this problem going on for 3.5 years now. I still haven't found out how to stop it. But I know I have to keep trying, not just for myself, but for all the other's suffering like I do. Just to let you know though Even the earlyest blood tests back when this first started also came back that everything was in the normal parameters, but thoughs were done by my family DR. not by my allergist. I wonder also if my insurance would pay for Homeopathic treatment? I will have to check into this. Mabe I have stumbled into something God willing. Thank you so much.
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posted 08-07-2003 05:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sarah68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know whether your insurance will cover homeopathic treatment, but you can try.

I did see your thread on the allergies board and I did see the replies. It is just that sometimes you need to be a little more open minded to be able to see past the conventional and unfortunately, a lot of people are not. The thing is that you really need to treat the whole person behind an illness and not just the symptoms of the illness itself. Treating something that way, will never achieve a cure.

The fact that your liver function tests are normal just means that you have not damaged your liver. However, itching and anything that is produced on the skin and allergies are still very much linked to the Liver.

However, people also forget that the skin is a large organ of elimination too, with sweating and although unsightly looking, when something is on the skin it is not doing damage further in your body. This is why you should not suppress skin conditions with steroid creams, as this can clear the skin, but then pushes it further into the body. An example of this maybe eczema in childhood that is suppressed and then in later life the child will develop asthma, which is more serious.

Anyway, most allergies are to do with the Liver being too strong and as I suggested earlier, you could benefit very much from taking the herb Milk Thistle. Take the standardised version that you can buy in any healthfood store. This will give you a mini liver detox and it can most certainly help your liver to become more efficient. There is also a homeopathic detox kit that consists of three remedies that you can purchase that might be beneficial to you also.

If your insurance will not pay for homeopathic treatment, then it might cover acupuncture and this can be very helpful too. In your case, I think a mixture of acupuncture and Chinese herbal medicine maybe a good idea. Herbs work at a deeper level, but the acupuncture can help to move and balance any Stagnant Qi and it sounds as though you might have some Stagnant Liver Qi.

Anyway, good luck with it.

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posted 08-07-2003 10:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hogan Grimm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello sarah68.
Just to let you know I am very open minded to the body as a whole. When this first started I didn't have insurance and could not afford long term treatment. Believe me I am fully aware that antihistimines or steroids such as prednisone which is a pill by the way do not even come close to a cure. All they do is suppress the reactions, and they only work un till your body builds up a resistance to them. With that out of the way, just to let you know some of what I did as far as research. I bought books on vitamines, I extensively read everything that each vitamine was supposed to do for the body, I tried taking them, but it did not help. Now I don't mean just taking the one a day multi vivamines, I took just the vitamines that were supposed to help with allergies. Unfortunitly todays vitimanes have to many additives in them, and because of that can make things worse for people who suffer from Urticaria like I do. For example, if you have kidney problems... magnesium is very bad to take, however if you don't have bad kidney's then magnesium is good for them. Strange huh? I guess mabe I should take you back a little farther in time about myself. Ok, I guess about mabe 10 or 12 years ago I had a very serious kidney infection, I went to see my doctor and of coarse gave me some shots and a prescription and took some blood and sent me home. They calles me the next day and said I needed to come in and see them because I might have to be hospitalized. I went in although I did feel much better the next day after the shots and taking the antibiotics. When I got there I didn't even have to wait to see my doctor, they promptly brought me back to the back and my doctor kept asking me if I felt alright. I kinda didn't know how to react to this I mean It seemed strange that there was this much concern. I told him I was feeling much better, and he said I can't believe you are even able to walk in here, he said people in your condition are being weeled into the emergency on a stretcher, but I told him since I saw him the day before and he did what he did for me I was feeling much better. Anyway he made me stay there, they took some mre blood, and did what they call a stat on it so the results would come back in an hour. one hour later the results showed that my blood count had returned to almost normal. Needless to say he was amazed at this due to haw bad the infection was the day before. So he gave me two more shots and sent me home and told me to call him if i started to run a fever and if so I would have to go into the hospital. ok, I didn't run a fever and for a while everything was fine. But every now and the I would get these urinary tract infections, I would go back to my doctor and he would put me on some antibiotics and it would clear up. The strange thing is that I would keep getting them. Not like once a month or so just every now and then, sometimes mabe six months, sometimes mabe a year, sometimes mabe longer. the time frames would very. Every time I would go to see my doctor I would ask him what could be causeing this? So he ran some tests after taking some blood. I was tested for a wide variaty of things all of which came back negitive. Now I haven't had any infections in a long time, however, in my lower left side of my back and my urine is cloudy when I get up in the morning. But all tests always come back showing no infection, no blood in the urine or anything out of the ordinary. Also when I twist or turn a certiane way like when I am at work on a latter to reach something for something or nail something up. the pain in that area is unbearable. Now I know the liver is responsable for removing toxins, but the kidney's also plat a major part of filtering the blood as well. The only thing is how can you find a problem when all the test come back showing none? Sorry this is so long. I hope you have time to read it. I would very much like your input on this. Thanks
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posted 08-08-2003 07:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sarah68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok. Basically what happens is that if you have a lot of infections that require you to take antibiotics and it sounds as if you have taken a lot due to the recurrence, then it gets rid of the acute symptoms and kills off all the bacteria, but if you then carry on, it can turn chronic and if they then become chronic, then tests may not show any abnormalities due to this chronicity.

Did you have any renal function tests done and did they all come back normal, such as Urea, Creatinnine and electrolytes? Sometimes cloudly urine could indicate some type of renal impairment due to all the other infections, but if the tests have come back clear, then this should be ok.

Sounds like you need to drink more water to clear both your kidneys through and your urethra and bladder. If you drink enough it should wash everything out.

Anyway, homeopathy could help with this also and a good constitutional treatment could help you no end.

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posted 08-09-2003 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RageOfAngels     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Isn't Lycopodium some kind of tree moss? How then do you take it, in what form? What does it do for the liver? Where do you get it in a takeable form? I looked for info on it but there was very little.....

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posted 08-11-2003 04:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sarah68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lycopodium is known as Club Moss or Wolfs Bane and I am talking about Lycopodium the homeopathic remedy.

You can purchase homeopathic remedies from a healthfood store, but you should not be taking Lycopodium just because it is good for the liver. In homeopathy, Lycopodium is a remedy that has an affinity for the liver, however, the Lycopodium as a remedy needs to fit you as a person, rather than just being good for the liver.

If you want something that will help give your liver a bit of a detox, then try taking some Milk Thistle. This helps the liver to detox more efficiently and helps hepatocyte regeneration.

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posted 08-12-2003 03:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elizabeth2nd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Sarah,
could you please give advise on the following:

Chronic yeast infection. I don't know what remedy is the best, I have been using a combination, not very helpful. I know it should be a remedy based on totality, but I really need some relief.

Also, I have been advised to use sepia 200 & nat mur 200 for hypothyroidism from a partial thyroidectomy. They worked great, I came alive, but I did get a bowel aggravation, too high?, which I treated with chinese meds. I am reluctant to continue with this route as I don't want another bowel aggravation, but I feel soon I will have to continue.

Daughter occasionally gets cold clammy hands and feet, I can't figure it out. Can you advise?

Also,

Someone has hypothyroid, is using Synthroid for about 6 mon., and has now been found to have a lump on back of thyroid. Before Synthroid this person was very tired, pale, black rings under eyes, irritable, restless, easily aggravated.

Just wondering if you can advise,
My studies are going great, and getting good grades.

Thanks in advance,
Lizzie.

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posted 08-12-2003 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sarah68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Have you been taking Sepia and Nat Mur 200c on a daily basis? If so, this is probably why you have a bad stomach. You are proving the remedies. Also, why are you taking two remedies together? You should not be doing this. You need to find one remedy that covers the totality of your symptoms to be most effective. This is just common sense and good classical homeopathic prescribing.

Do you have a homeopath? If not, then I would suggest that you go and see one, who will prescribe a remedy to cover the totality of your symptoms. This way, you can avoid remedy aggravations and having to take two remedies at one time.

Also, this is just a suggestion, but if you find the remedies Sepia and Nat Mur have been working well for you, then it might be worth considering the remedy Aqua Marina. This is a remedy that is in between both Sepia and Nat Mur and this may cut out the need for having to take both remedies. Think about it. It is seawater, but is not that well known as a remedy though.

You did say that your daughter responded well to Pulsatilla at one time? Clamy hands and feet are in fact a Calc Carb symptom and it is possible that she may need some of this. Pulsatilla and Calc Carb are related remedies, with Calc being a deeper acting mineral kingdom remedy and Pulsatilla being the more acute plant remedy.

I would suggest that you both go and see a homeopath though to work out these remedies for you, but these are just my thoughts on the matter.

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posted 08-13-2003 04:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elizabeth2nd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Sarah.
We are unable to get to a Homeopath for the time being as we are rather isolated in the pacific. I would definitely go if we were near one. For the time being we only have an MD, and I don't need his help.
I was advised by a Homeopath to take the two remedies together for a week. They did work very well, but did cause the bowel problem. Yes, I did think I was proving them as I noticed they both have bowel indications.

The daughter is doing very well just for the occasional sweats, especially when doing difficult mental work while holding a pencil.

Thanks for your advice, i'll check into the sea water remedy.

Lizzie.

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Thanks Sarah.
We are unable to get to a Homeopath for the time being as we are rather isolated in the pacific. I would definitely go if we were near one. For the time being we only have an MD, and I don't need his help.
I was advised by a Homeopath to take the two remedies together for a week. They did work very well, but did cause the bowel problem. Yes, I did think I was proving them as I noticed they both have bowel indications.

The daughter is doing very well just for the occasional sweats, especially when doing difficult mental work while holding a pencil.

Thanks for your advice, i'll check into the sea water remedy.

Lizzie.


Hi Sarah,
Well I finally got to the repertorization segment in my studies which opens up so much more to the mind. I was close on a few counts by reading the MM, but was very surprised to find out about myself.
The daughter is Calc just as you suggested.
The hubby is a mix of Nat Mur & Lycopodium, with Sep close behind.
I was astounded to be found Sulphur, a clear winner in the outcome. I had studied Sulphur several months ago, and did'nt make the connection. I don't see myself as having any of the mentals (luckily), but I do have some of the physicals, sweat, eruptions, cracked heels etc (The fire). It had been there all along but I didn't see it. I am also benefiting from a little Pulsatilla with venous return, the layers are coming to light. Strangely Nat Mur & Sep were not in my picture, maybe that layer is gone. Being in the first year there is so much to learn, and I just got a big boost. Kents REp is so addictive. I have to pull myself away from it lately to concentrate on studies, all the (many) books are so fascinating it's tough to keep to the assignments. It just gets more enjoyable as you go. Hahnemann surely was a genius way ahead of his time.
Lizzie.

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posted 08-22-2003 06:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sarah68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, it is a fascinating subject and I continue to be fascinated by it and still go to lots of seminars.

That is interesting about your daughter being Calc Carb, as Calc and Pulsatilla are very close remedies.

I have to say though, that perhaps you fit more of a Pulsatilla picture yourself than Sulphur?

The thing is though, is that I do not think that you can truely be a Sulphur if you do not fit the Mental and Emotional picture. You cannot take a remedy and expect it to work that well and to 'hold' for long periods if it just fits your physical symptoms and I have to say that this is not the ideal that you are looking for in prescribing remedies.

Ideally, you are looking for a remedy that fits a mental/emotional, general and physical picture and the closer it fits the mental and emotional and generals, the better the effect of the remedy. Have your read Kent's Lectures yet or any of the Indian homeopaths such as Sankaran? They state that the best cures are achieved on the mental/emotional or spiritual plane. Sankaran describes a patient where he gave a remedy that fittied the mental/emotional picture and nothing else, no generals or physicals and achieved a cure. This is because mental/emotional symptoms are classified as the highest.

I think you possibly need to look at this again and try to find one remedy that covers the lot rather than several remedies at a time. This is why self-prescribing remedies is never a good idea as you cannot be impartial in your own case.

I think that everyone can identify with the Sulphur picture in some respects as it is the greatest anti-psoric remedy around and it can be helpful at sometime to most of us, for short periods, but it is only a few people that really fit the full Sulphur picture with the mental/emotional features too. It has been suggested that Hahnemann himself was a Sulphur.

Good luck

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