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Babernethy
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posted 02-15-2002 09:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Babernethy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Danish researchers have found many links between mercury amalgam fillings and both MS and ALS. People dieing of these diseases have MUCH higher levels of Mercury in thier bodies...most tend to have over 3 'silver' fillings in thier mouths. Patients have found a lessening of symptoms within a week of having the fillings 'properly' removed.
Link to this information using the search key words
mercury poisoning and amalgam fillings.
Many European countries have now BANNED the use of mercury in fillings, and here in Canada the new health rules are that the dentist must inform you of the risks before amalgam fillings are used. No more than 3 are allowed before health concerns are a factor. (so they say...I would not put poison in my mouth..would you?)
PLease check how many silver fillings you have if you are suffering from MS and get back to me in this forum.
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posted 02-20-2002 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Babernethy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are hundreds of well documented pages of the FACT that amalgam fillings have created all sorts of problems...most notable are nervous system disorders.

I knew nothing of this topic until my wifes German cousin had his fillings removed last year. ALL his MS symptoms have been alleviated. Not a few of them, ALL of them. This may not be scientific, but is pretty good evidence that the amalgam fillings were indeed the culprit.

The US dental agency has been covering this up for years...even many here in Canada STILL say there is no hard evidence to PROVE that mercury amalgam will hurt you. Amalgam fillings are easier to install...that is the only reason they are used. They are no less expensive than other methods.

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posted 02-22-2002 09:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Babernethy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
By the way, there is a strict regiment of pills that are used to absorb mercury to be used in extreme cases, as is the case with my wifes cousin in Germany. He continues these prescriptions, and continues to feel better. I understand injections of viatamin C BEFORE he had the amalagam removed would have helped a lot!
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posted 04-13-2002 07:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for carree     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Babernethy

Thanks for your information regarding your wife's cousin in Germany. I am seriously considering having my mercury filings replaced. When you mention all
MS systoms disapearing, would this include difficulty
walking.

I have had great success using an alternative doctor.
Only major problem left is walking. All other problems
seem to have been resolved.
Hope to hear from you ! Carree

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posted 04-14-2002 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for carree     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
VERY NICE TO HEAR OF PEOPLE RECOVERING FROM MS AND ALS
I HAVE BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH MS.HAVE NOT TAKEN ANY DRUGS
ONLY VITAMINS AND SUPPLEMENTS ETC.THROUGH AN ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE DOCTOR. FEEL GREAT EXCEPT I HAVE
ONLY ONE PROBLEM, DIFFICULTY WALKING. I AM LOOKING FOR
SOMEONE THAT I CAN CONTACT THAT HAS GONE THE DENTAL
ROUTE SUCCESSFULLY.

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posted 04-20-2002 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for coot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This message is for Babernethy...and anyone else too.
Now that is some very interesting information. I have 3 silver fillings, 2 grey fillings and 2 white fillings all from different dentists. I have ms which was diagnosed shortly after my second silver filling. I am not sure which ones contain mercurey. Can you tell me? I should also add that when I was a child, my father used to bring home vials full of mucury for me to play with. I remember rolling it in my hands. I even poured it in my mouth and squeezed it through my teeth many times.Is it easy to test for mecury poisining? Do you think I should get my silver fillings replaced with the grey ones? Or the other way around? Or should I replace the grey and silver ones with the white ones. Please let me know what you think of my situation so I can talk to my doctor and dentist about it. I would love nothing more than to be rid of my MS symptoms. I am at the point to almost try anything. thank you.

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posted 04-20-2002 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for carree     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
COOT

CHECK OUT HOW POISONOUS MERCURY IS, EQUIVALENT TO
PLUTONIUM. MERCURY IS ONE OF THE MOST POISONOUS SUBSTANCES ON THIS EARTH. YOUR DENTIST NOR DOCTOR IS
IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO AGREE, ESPECIALLY THE DENTIST
AS HE PROBABLY HAS PLACED MANY OF THEM IN PATIENTS MOUTHS. THE SUBJECT IS VERY COMPLICATED.

1. THINK ABOUT FINDING A NATUROPATH DOCTOR.
2. GET ELECTRO DERMAL TESTING DONE, WHICH WILL TELL
YOU HOW MUCH MERCURY IS IN YOUR BODY .
3. FIND A HOLISTIC DENTIST WHO WILL REMOVE YOUR
METAL FILLINGS PROPERLY. THE PROCEDURE HAS TO BE
DONE VERY CAREFULLY.

THE ABOVE PROCEDURES ARE VERY BASIC AND REQUIRE A LOT
FURTHER EXPLANATION. THEY ARE ONLY MY OPINION BASED
ON MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.

HOPE THIS HELPS. CARREE

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posted 04-29-2002 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nygabnet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mercury from dental fillings is well documented to be a common cause of MS (& ALS) and hundreds who replace their fillings have recovered. I personally know several.


Good Afternoon:

I would simply like to address this issue and ask the person who wrote this post to document. As a person who has had MS as her constant companion for over 30 years and an advocate for MS and it’s issues, there has not been anything proven nor have I met anyone who has had their amalgams removed and recovered, it is absolutely not happening. Through the years I have seen many friends and peers from groups that I have run removing their amalgams and hoping for a speedy recovery, not one of them stopped their progression. Myself I have my original amalgams and over the years utilize no aids and this is with a mouthful of mercury.

M any newly diagnosed folks will spend their money needlessly due to this and it is simply unfair. Many dentist do not utilize mercury anymore, however since mercury is stronger and insurances will not pay the difference, many patients do not spend additional monies, as they have no problems. If a dentist who does not have the correct credentials or is unsure removes the mercury, you risk a more alarming response.

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posted 05-15-2002 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Babernethy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you punch up on the internet mercury fillings, you will find many studies, done all over the world that point to mercury fillings and their toxicity as factors in MS and ALS ( I have NEVER said the only cause).....I mentioned I know several people who have been diagnosed...my wifes cousin in Germany continues to get better every day...he saw several specialists..all with different comments, 3 which were MS...'till he went to a natural doctor and had a mercury zapour test done. His results were very high..he had 17 fillings...and they were NOT removed properly. After they were taken out his symptoms got much worse...and as I mentioned before, has been on a strict regimen of vitamins and ferinsol (iron) along with other liver flushing herbs. His last test results were 50% of what they were before the tooth fillings were removed. He is feeling much better also.
In answer to COOTs question..there are different types of fillings...'silver' is the name they give amalgam fillings because they are a silver grey colour. These are the ones that should be taken out. I only had 1 single filling and I still paid to get it replaced with a fiberglass cap.
Note also that people who have no cavities at all have contracted MS...but in almost ALL cases, heavy metal poisoning is the probable cause. Most of the cases show high levels of mercury...get it checked yourself. It is a simple breath and blood test. You can get poisoned by mercury in a number of ways, only one of which is living near a smelter of coal fired power station. Needless to say, squeezing mercury through your teeth is another!
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posted 05-18-2002 02:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rhody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Babernethy,

Thanks for the information. I always like to hear of people that have gotten well after they have had their mercury-silver dental amalgams removed.

I'm also one of those people that have gotten better. I replaced eight of my dental amalgams with white fillings, and continue to do well.

Can you tell me what were the symptoms that your relative had in detail? I had fibromyalgia symptoms, plus gum disease and loose teeth. Before I had the dental amalgams replaced, my teeth were so loose in spots, that I thought I could pull them out with my hands. Now, they are tight in place.

I also run almost 20 miles (32 kilometers) a week, after being told by a doctor to not run more than a hundred yards (91 meters). I never forget that day, in 1978, when the doctor in the white coat told me.... I was only 27 years old (almost 28). His message to me was to live with it, by taking 10 aspirins a day. He also told me that I was too fat and too old.

It took me years to figure it out, first by following a natural course of diet improvement and herbs. I did lots of reading about health issues, including one article about mercury poisoning from dental amalgams. I never, at first, believed that those tiny grey-black things could cause so many health problems. Only when my tooth broke to expose one of my amalgams, and when my pains dramatically increased, did I realize some connection. Years of detoxification later, I'm greatly improved.

I just want people to know and I'm always curious about how other people have delt with this issue on a personal basis. Any details about the symptoms will be appreciated. I can share more information on this subject if anyone is interested. Thanks.

Also I don't know how similar my symptoms were to MS, but I know that they were very similar to a person with fibromyalgia. I've heard that some people who thought they had MS, got better after the dental amalgams were removed. But as in the case with people with fibromyalgia, I don't know if this would be the true for all people. Some of these cases could be isolated. There's just so much more information that is being learned about this issue all the time, so it's hard to say. But, the collection of evidence is continually being weighed heavily against having mercury in our mouth, regardless of what health problems a person is having. It's just too dangerous.

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posted 05-21-2002 09:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Babernethy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
His symptoms were unusual, to say the least. He went to several doctors over the course of 2 years as he stedily got worse. His first symptoms appeared at about the age of 35...aggressive behaviour and mood swings. He is a computer specialist, so the worst symptoms were loss of memory. Simple computer tasks which he had done millions of times were becoming more difficult. AT ABOUT THE AGE OF 40 he started having dexterity problems, shaking etc. and some balance difficulties. Pain in various joints, and involuntary quivers, tired feeling...one doctor said it 'looks' like MS, but sent him to 2 other specialists. I can't say if he had problems with his gums, he never said. He went to a naturalaist doctor who looked inside his mouth and immediately told him to have the fillings removed. He scheduled with a dentist who did not know what he was doing. The guy did not use a ventilator or dental dam, just drilled out the cavities. The symptoms got much worse over the course of the next month. He is on mercury absorbers, herbs and high iron supplements. It has been over 2 years, and he no longer has any shudders or balance problems, and his memory has returned. He says that he feels better every week...he also says that there were other symptome which are now gone that he had attributed to his age. One of these was a yellow colour to his skin...a jaundiced look to him which he had for years. He is now much pinker and looks less tired.
It is interesting to note that since I found this information out, MY cousin here in Canada has also had his fillings removed, and is feeling better. HE WAS diagnosed with mild MS 10 years ago. He is 50, and his sytmptoms were very severe 3 years ago...although that can be attributed to the drugs he was taking to combat the MS. He said the cure was worse that the symptoms...he had 12 amalgam fillings, by the way.

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This is simply bogus. I have ms for over 30 years and still have my original amalgams yet I am in good health. It was not the foundation of my MS or any others yet there are so many theories on this but it has proven wrong. I do not know where you got your information, though it is totally fly-by-night! I wish folks would search for valid information for themselves and not rely on the Internet for such unreasonable information. Through the years, this has circulated around the globe only to be found that it doesn’t seem to matter whether you have amalgams or not, the MS is still found in people who have not had any amalgams in their life. True, amalgams are not being utilized much in these days but it is also not used for cosmetic reasons. I lobby for the disabled so I have met many people through the states with ms. there has not been one person who can legitimately prove that elimination of amalgams has made them better. IT is a money making scheme and one that should not be taken lightly as in the process of removal you can be in more trouble then before. Think about this. IF this was in fact true, don’t you think the neurologists would have suggested this long ago and became millionaires by now? This about this and you will see why it is baseless!

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posted 05-21-2002 11:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rhody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nygabnet,

Where do you get your information? I care not to argue with you, but there is much documentation about people who have gotten well after their amalgams were removed. Even the American Dental Association has admitted that. They, although, have called it rare allergic reactions.

I don't believe that no one can say, that removing mercury-silver dental amalgams will cure MS. But some people with MS symptoms have reportedly gotten well. If you read more about it, you will see this very clearly.

I'm one person that has definitely gotten better from fibromyalgia symptoms, plus gum disease and loose teeth. There isn't anybody in the world that is going to convince me otherwise. I was miserable to the point of wishing and praying for death, to now running almost 20 miles a week.

Because all these doctors and scientists don't clearly understand the toxicity of mercury or dental amalgams, does that make it safe? Have we reached the end of knowledge where we can learn no more? Not likely. Medicine and the knowledge of our health continues to evolve. How long did it take for those same scientists and doctors to recognize that cigarettes weren't safe? I'm old enough to remember when cigarettes were cool. Do you know that they, until recently, injected babies with mercury-filled antibiotics before their blood brain barriers were formed? Was that safe? Was lead in paint safe? Was lead in gasoline (petrol) safe?

Also how do you absolutely know that you won't get better if you get your dental amalgams replaced with white fillings and all the poisons from your body removed? Where's the proof? Where's the proof that mercury is safe for us in our mouth? Is being used for 160 years and being declared by some in the dental community as being safe, enough scientific proof? How can you be healthy with MS?

Please read up on it. There's more and more information coming out about this all the time. Again, I don't wish to argue with you, but only hope that you and others continue to learn about your medical condition and other people's reactions to these poisons so that some may have the opportunity to get well. Please consult your medical professional for more information. Thanks.

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posted 05-22-2002 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Babernethy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry, but the info I presented is NOT bogus as you say...I have NEVER stated that MS is only caused by mercury fillings...go back and READ all the notes and you will see. As in the title Mercury fillings LINKED to MS. I have also said that there are people who have no fillings that have MS...but it IS possible that heavy metal poisoning is to blame...from other sources.
By the way, my wifes cousin in Germany started getting symptoms AFTER he had his BOOSTER shots for vaccinations which contain MERCURY! I will not allow myself or my children to be injected with this poison. I had only 1 filling and had it removed at my expense. My son has 1 filling, plastic, even though it is slightly more expensive. Mercury causes neurological damage...exactly what MS is! Don't discount something you have not tried. More than 3!!!!! fillings will show up on a mercury vapour test, and people who eat acidy foods are more likely to have a reaction because the acids can break down the mercury faster from the filling.
If yopu are so quick to discount this theory, see the doctor and prove that there is no mercury in your breath with a simple test. It won't cost you anything. After you have proven this to yourself, check any health agency for the recommended maximum amount of mercury in a vapour test. If you are under I'll be very surprised.
Mercury is in fillings
Vaccinations
Old Thermometres
Old paint
water in some areas, especially near old gold or silver mines
the air near coal fired power plants
the pollution from smelters
the ground that was contaminated by old industries that your house COULD be built on.
MS like symptoms can also be caused by poisoning from CCA treated wood (which the industry still maintains is completely safe and which has been banned) through the arsenicals injected in the wood.
There are a variety of possible causes...why not explore them instead of shutting your eyes?
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posted 05-24-2002 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for its-me-sue     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Babernethy,
You started this thread and titled it "Amalgam fillings linked to MS". You may as well have said "Blue skies linked to MS" for all the proof you've shown. You say that Danish researchers have found many links. What Danish researchers? Who? You've also said that many European countries have BANNED the use of mercury fillings. This is just not true.
Used for more than 150 years, dental amalgam (a.k.a. silver filling) is a safe, affordable and durable material used to restore the teeth of more than 100 million Americans. It contains a mixture of metals such as silver, copper and tin, in addition to mercury, which chemically binds these components into a hard,
stable and safe substance.
Dental amalgam has an indisputable safety record and has been extensively reviewed. The U.S. Public
Health Service issued a report in 1993 stating there is no health reason not to use amalgam, except in the extremely rare case of the patient who is allergic to a component of amalgam. This supports the findings
of the Food and Drug Administration, the National Institutes of Health Technology Assessment
Conference and the National Institutes of Dental Research, that dental amalgam is a safe and effective
restorative material. In addition, in 1991, Consumer Reports noted that "given their solid track
record...amalgam fillings are still your best bet."
People are exposed to more total mercury from food, water and air than from the minuscule amounts of
mercury vapor generated from amalgam fillings.
There is no scientific evidence that exposure to mercury from amalgam restorations poses a serious
health risk in humans, except for the exceedingly small number of allergic reactions. In 150 years of use, there have only been 100 documented cases of allergic reactions to amalgam in dental literature.
In 1991, the FDA's Dental Products Panel found there was no reason to remove amalgam fillings. The
U.S. Public Health Service found in 1993 "no persuasive reason to believe that avoiding amalgams or
having them removed will have a beneficial effect on health." In fact, it is inadvisable to have amalgams
removed unnecessarily because it can cause structural damage to healthy teeth.
Claims that the removal of amalgam leads to recovery from multiple sclerosis or that the use of amalgam leads to arthritis or Alzheimer's disease are unsubstantiated and without scientifically established cause and effect.
The ADA supports ongoing research in the development of new materials that it hopes will someday
prove to be as safe and effective as dental amalgam. Current alternatives, such as composite resins, have not been as effective as dental amalgam in providing a durable and long- lasting restoration,
especially in the case of large fillings.
The ADA concurs with the findings of the U.S. Public Health Service that amalgam has "continuing value in maintaining oral health."
A recent study of approximately 1,700 dentists reported in the November 1995 issue of the Journal of the American Dental Association (JADA) concludes that dentists are now less exposed to mercury in their
practices, as indicated by dropping levels of mercury concentrations found during urinary screenings, due to increased use of precautions as they create and apply dental amalgams.

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Hi its-me-sue,

Please consider me in the same company as Babernethy. I love sharing with people information about this. I'm very much against having mercury put in our mouth. At the same time, I recognize that not enough people know the truth about this, so I prefer that this be a friendly discussion with our opinions. It looks like you copied and pasted your statements from the internet or some other source.

There are a number of sections that need clarification. First of all, the mercury in the mercury-silver dental amalgams are not chemically bound as a hard and stable substance. I don't consider mercury safe either. The mercury in the amalgam constantly leaks. This is a proven fact. You must have copied old data. If you check the latest on this, you will see that anyone who has mercury-silver dental amalgams in their teeth, will also have mercury from this in different parts of their bodies. Please read up about this latest information.

Secondly, I believe that recent studies have conclusively proven that the greatest source for mercury exposure is from dental amalgams for people in the United States, and other industralized nations that pratice the same type of dental care. They now have a pretty good idea, how much mercury leaks from these amalgams. I'll have to check up on that, and get back to confirm. Please do the same, and see what you come up with. Also note that some of this elemental mercury is converted to an extremely more dangerous form of organic mercury while in the body.

The rest of what you wrote or copied is just pro-Amalgam propaganda. There's lots of reasons to not have mercury in your mouth. If one person gets sick or is allergic to this, that's one person too much. I'm one of those people that have gotten well by having my amalgams removed.

Also some other things to ponder. Why is the dental community continuing to call these mercury-silver dental amalgams "silver fillings"? Shouldn't responsible dental professionals better inform the public, so that some of us can take precautions? Are our doctors informed what the symptoms would be, for someone that has this kind of so-called allergy? Do these dental associations have information for the medical community to assist them in identifying these potential so-called allergic patients? How much does the medical community know about chronic mercury poisoning from dental amalgams in these so-called rare cases? Will you or anyone take legal responsibility for the pain and suffering for us "allergic" patients, in the event that dental amalgams are determined to not be safe by legitimate sources in a court of law? Is it that safe? Are you all absolutely sure? Has the ADA or FDA completed extensive tests with this from a large sample population, or are they or others just saying it's safe in the absense of these studies?

Also, a key point that I wish to make. Just because officials, in medicine or government make assertions, doesn't mean that they won't change their mind in the future. They are not infalliable. There's a lot of things that were thought to be safe. They used to think that the mercury stayed hard in the amalgam. Now they know different. Latest discoveries cause all sorts of people to change their mind. We must bring all the data out about this, including the research studies that state that mercury is not safe for our health, from dental amalgams and other sources. We don't have to agree with them, but we should recognize that they are there and are legitimate from world-wide resources (not just from the United States).

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Hi all,

Here's one source that I can post for you here, because it's a .gov or .edu site. This describes the amount of mercury exposure from amalgams, which supports what I previously had written. I'm just wanted to make sure that I was correct, based on what I remember reading in the past.

It's FDA docket: 00N-1665
http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dockets/00n1665/00N-1665-EC-06.html

There's lots more sources that point out the excessive amount of mercury that come from these mercury-silver dental amalgams. This is just one that I selected because the information was small enough and legit for posting here on healthboards.

Please do your own research. The information is constantly changing about this, based on more and more studies coming out on this all the time. It's a very important issue that is receiving lots of attention. I just want to point this out to all of you, so that you can review this carefully, and check up on the latest things that possibly could help improve your health. For those that care to do so, keep your medical doctors informed, so that they can keep up-to-date too.

Thanks and stay well.

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Hi its-me-sue,

There are a number of sections that need clarification. First of all, the mercury in the mercury-silver dental amalgams are not chemically bound as a hard and stable substance.

You're wrong.
Yes, the mercury in the mercury amalgams are chemically bound as a hard and stable substance.

I don't consider mercury safe either. The mercury in the amalgam constantly leaks. This is a proven fact.

It is a proven fact that people are exposed to more total mercury from food, water and air than from the minuscule amounts of mercury vapor generated from amalgam fillings.

You must have copied old data. If you check the latest on this, you will see that anyone who has mercury-silver dental amalgams in their teeth, will also have mercury from this in different parts of their bodies. Please read up about this latest information.

I have read up on the latest information available. I was also at the National Institutes of Health within the last few weeks and discussed this in detail with a scientist and two neurologists.

Secondly, I believe that recent studies have conclusively proven that the greatest source for mercury exposure is from dental amalgams for people in the United States, and other industralized nations that pratice the same type of dental care. They now have a pretty good idea, how much mercury leaks from these amalgams. I'll have to check up on that, and get back to confirm. Please do the same, and see what you come up with.

Please note that it's been proven that people are exposed to more total mercury from food, water and air than from the minuscule amounts of
mercury vapor generated from amalgam fillings.

Also note that some of this elemental mercury is converted to an extremely more dangerous form of organic mercury while in the body.

You're mistaken. Mercury combines with carbon to make organic mercury. The most common one, methylmercury, is produced mainly by microscopic organisms in the water and soil.

The rest of what you wrote or copied is just pro-Amalgam propaganda. There's lots of reasons to not have mercury in your mouth. If one person gets sick or is allergic to this, that's one person too much.

Your logic is a bit off. What you write and copy is all part of the dental amalgam hoax that was perpetrated by a (since it aired) retracted segment that aired years ago on CBS (60 Minutes). The incidence of allergic reaction to mercury amalgam fillings is so incredibly low and the situation for those people easily fixable that to outlaw would be wrong. Would you advocate outlawing vaccinations because a very small number of children have a reaction? Would you outlaw elective surgery because some people do die as a result?

I'm one of those people that have gotten well by having my amalgams removed.

Can you prove it?

Also some other things to ponder. Why is the dental community continuing to call these mercury-silver dental amalgams "silver fillings"?

I would think because they're silver in color. That's logic. Why is it that most dentists and neurologists have mercury amalgam fillings in their mouths and continue to have them?

Shouldn't responsible dental professionals better inform the public, so that some of us can take precautions?

What precautions? Amalgam fillings are safe. No precautions necessary.

Are our doctors informed what the symptoms would be, for someone that has this kind of so-called allergy? Do these dental associations have information for the medical community to assist them in identifying these potential so-called allergic patients?

Are your concerns with mercury allergy or mercury poisoning?

How much does the medical community know about chronic mercury poisoning from dental amalgams in these so-called rare cases?

There has never, and I repeat never, been a case of chronic mercury poisoning as a result of implanted dental amalgams.

Will you or anyone take legal responsibility for the pain and suffering for us "allergic" patients, in the event that dental amalgams are determined to not be safe by legitimate sources in a court of law? Is it that safe? Are you all absolutely sure?

Well, there have been numerous attempts at litigation concerning this issue. No one ever bringing suit against dentists, medical and dental associations or any other individual or corporation associated with creating or implanting amalgam fillings have ever had to pay a dime because the scientific community has proven again and again that there is no correlation between health (or lack of good health) and dental amalgam fillings.

Has the ADA or FDA completed extensive tests with this from a large sample population, or are they or others just saying it's safe in the absense of these studies?

Large extensive tests have been carried on a large number of people. Why would "they or others" say it's safe in the absense of studies?

Also, a key point that I wish to make. Just because officials, in medicine or government make assertions, doesn't mean that they won't change their mind in the future. They are not infalliable. There's a lot of things that were thought to be safe.

Agreed. Please remember though that so far every argument the mercury amalgam hoaxers are bringing to the forefront have been knocked right back down by real scientific fact.

They used to think that the mercury stayed hard in the amalgam. Now they know different.

Nope. Mercury is a hard and stable substance when used in dental fillings.

Latest discoveries cause all sorts of people to change their mind. We must bring all the data out about this, including the research studies that state that mercury is not safe for our health, from dental amalgams and other sources.

No, not all the data. It's incredibly important to bring scientific data done by legitimate researchers. There is far too much flawed data out there.
Mercury is not safe in general. That is a fact. You shouldn't play with it certainly. Do you know that there are cultures even here in the states where the people regularly take mercury in capsule form? Did you know that a large group of these people were studied for years and had no more neurological deficits in comparison to a control group who never took a mercury capsule?

We don't have to agree with them, but we should recognize that they are there and are legitimate from world-wide resources (not just from the United States).


Your idea of legitimate and my idea of legitimate are far different apparently. There are scientists from all over the world who've done a great deal of scientific testing. There are also natropaths and nutritionists who claim to know that mercury amalgam fillings are bad based on the breath tests, which by the way have been completely discounted as a legitimate testing method for mercury exposure. I will be believing the scientists who aren't in it for any monetary gain.
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Hi yet again,
I'm so glad you posted this link. It's a great example of how information posted on the internet is taken as gospel. Let me explain.
All this was was a roundtable discussion which was open to the public and what was posted was what a Mr. Bernard Windham claimed to be truth. That's all. He's not a doctor or a scientist. He lost me when he claimed that dental amalgam fillings are the number one source of mercury in people. Mr. Windham's data is seriously flawed and believd to be fact. It's not. Much of what Mr. Windham claims is true, in that most of his numbers are correct. The problem is in the numbers as far as exposure to amalgam fillings goes. To get the numbers he claimed, he based that on flawed studies. Anyone can go to these rountable discussions and bring up anything and quote any numbers they wish. It doesn't make it fact. I could go to one of these open to the public forums and bring most any health issue to the table. It means nothing. Good try though!
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Hi all,

Here's one source that I can post for you here, because it's a .gov or .edu site. This describes the amount of mercury exposure from amalgams, which supports what I previously had written. I'm just wanted to make sure that I was correct, based on what I remember reading in the past.

It's FDA docket: 00N-1665
http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dockets/00n1665/00N-1665-EC-06.html

There's lots more sources that point out the excessive amount of mercury that come from these mercury-silver dental amalgams. This is just one that I selected because the information was small enough and legit for posting here on healthboards.

Please do your own research. The information is constantly changing about this, based on more and more studies coming out on this all the time. It's a very important issue that is receiving lots of attention. I just want to point this out to all of you, so that you can review this carefully, and check up on the latest things that possibly could help improve your health. For those that care to do so, keep your medical doctors informed, so that they can keep up-to-date too.

Thanks and stay well.


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Hi it's me sue,

Thanks for responding. Since I won't get into arguing and since we disagree on a number of points, I'll concentrate on some clarification.

With your assertion that mercury is a hard and stable substance, are you saying that this mercury does not leak? It sounds like you don't have all the facts right and it doesn't give what you write much credibility. Sorry, but you need to do more research. You can see the studies that I've provided. There's a lot more studies world-wide which do not agree with your statements.

Note that I said that *some* elemental mercury can be converted to organic mercury. Do you realize that we have microorganisms in our body? I think you need to check that out some more too.

Can I prove that I got well? Very interesting point. That's why it's been difficult for people with chronic mercury poisoning to prove anything. The problems with this are that we can't prove pain. And a lot of us are not part of scientific clinical trials. We knew we were sick before when we had the dental amalgams, and after they were replaced we were well. One of the most physically noticeable rapid improvements that I had is that my teeth were no longer loose. Previously they were so loose that I thought that I could pull them out with my hands.

You say that amalgams are safe. Where's the proof? Where's the extensive studies that have been made from large populations by these dental associations to demonstrate that? I haven't seen any.

Note also that there are lawsuits currently going on with this and I think you know it. It will be interesting to see what the outcome will be. And they, I believe, will continue.

By the way, do you represent the ADA or any other professional affiliation that is taking a defensive position with all of this? What's your motive for writing all of this pro-Amalgam propaganda?

My motives are that I got well, so I'm very much against having mercury put in our mouths without our knowledge. I feel very strongly that we should be told that mercury is in these fillings. The logic that these mercury-silver dental amalgams are called "silver fillings" because they are silver in color is very bad. We all know they are a very ugly gray-black color. None of us will believe that. I'm glad I had them out for cosmetic reasons too.

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Another point to make. I'm not sure what you mean by flawed studies. It was just one of many sources that describe that mercury leaks from these amalgams. I'll go find dozens more if you would like, but they have to be generally .edu and .gov website links, so it could make it more difficult. It was just one example.

A lot of people say that studies are flawed because they aren't perfect. That doesn't mean that some of the studies don't have merit. Are there any studies out there that are perfect?

That argument of "flaw studies" is used all the time to discount the work of people opposing a current view. Most of us know it when we hear that the studies had flaws. We are not fooled. So what? What study doesn't have flaws?

Let's focus on the issues. Mercury does leak from these amalgams. Mercury is an extremely dangerous poison. We should be informed that mercury is in these fillings. And we should encourage more scientific studies to be made, so that we can better understand the relationship between mercury in dental amalgams and our health.

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wish it were that easy. i have MS, but have never had a cavity in my life, therefore no fillings of any kind.

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lvm6,

Sorry to hear that you have MS. Yes, it's hard for all of us to know all the answers. From what I read, it is well-known that not all people with MS have dental fillings. I believe that was explained in a series of writings in this section (at least in part) if you get a chance to read through all of it.

For me, the road to recovery wasn't easy either. I had to find my cure outside of mainstream medicine. I was not diagnosed with MS either. I had fibromyalgia symptoms plus gum and teeth problems that I have previously described. So, my individual case is different, but related to some people that have claimed to have gotten better from MS after the removal of their mercury-silver dental amalgams.

But we do know some factual things which I and others have uncovered for a lot of you to think about. There's the pro and con about this issue. At that point, it's up to all of us to question more and to do more research, including discussing this with your doctor for those that think this might apply.

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Here's another source from the FDA dockets 00n1665:

It's a very long story. There's a lot more if you do some searching. It's quite interesting and at the same time very sad. I hope that she continues to do well.

It's a .gov or .edu website, so I can post it.
http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dockets/00n1665/emc000007.txt

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Let's make this simple and quick:
Do you agree that MERCURY is toxic and CAN cause neurological problems (as has been proven time and again?)
Do you agree that there is MERCURY in amalgam fillings?
Do you think this MERCURY could cause MS symptoms?

It seems there is a lot of information out there, from NON industry sponsored sources that agree to this.
If you read enough information presented by the dental association, you may discount this whole MERCURY idea.

Choose what you wish to believe...I know what I have seen, I do NOT suffer from MS, and I WILL NOT allow MERCURY to be put into my body with the knowledge I have gathered...WOULD YOU?

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