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    Old 01-08-2004, 04:50 PM   #16
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    Re: Home Phototherapy for Mild/Moderate Acne

    Neca, does this make you feel a bit happier?

    "Phototherapy for acne is based on the fact that P. acnes, the bacteria that populate the sebaceous gland, produce porphyrins as part of its normal metabolism. Exposing these compounds to special wavelengths in the red or, preferably, violet-blue visible light range starts a chemical reaction that produces peroxide, able to kill the bacteria. The reaction takes milliseconds and is confined to the bacteria, thus having no direct effect on the surrounding tissue."

    "The reaction is confined to the bactera, thus having no effect on the tissue". To me that sounds quite conclusive that there shouldn't be harmful effects to the skin. But I'm no expert and obviously nobody has seen the long-term effects yet.
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    Old 01-09-2004, 09:12 PM   #17
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    Neca,

    I am responding to your search for anyone who has purchased either the "Verilux HappySkin Lamp" or the "Dima-Tech Acne Lamp." Several months ago, I too was researching both of those products and after much deliberation, finally chose to purchase the "Verilux HappySkin Lamp." I will do my best to inform you of my experience as I completely understand your desperate hope to reduce your skin problem.

    The HappySkin Lamp did seem to reduce a fair amount of active acne, but the results were not dramatic enough for me to keep the product for $200+. However, if money isn't a concern for you and you are in dire need to tame the breakouts, it may be something you really want to consider. Do note, you really have to be disciplined about using the product for at least 15 minutes for the required amount of "consecutive" days. Realize that this is attacking the bacteria issue and not the oil production issue. If bacteria is your only concern, than this may be just right for you. I, however, needed to also address the oil production front. I should mention, the company (Verilux) was very pleasant to deal with and they honored their money back guarantee without any problems whatsoever. So, you really have nothing to lose except for shipping costs. As for ease of use, it was very simple and seemed to be quite safe (they provide goggles as well).

    After trying this product, I decided to look a little further into the light therapies and after a great amount of researching, found a dermatologist (Dr. Jay, hope that is okay to reveal) in NYC that specializes in Intense Pulsed Light Therapy. I completely lucked out as he is extremely diligent, well-informed, and kind. I have been to so many dermatologists and I must say that this doctor is exceptional. Upon meeting him, he immediately showed great compassion for how much anguish the acne had been causing and provided comfort in his determination to rectify the problem. He explained in much detail, the causes and all the possible treatment options, as well as personally performing the Intense Pulsed Light procedures himself.

    I can tell you that after years of struggling with acne; after spending an enormous amount money on products and an unbelievable amount of time trying different things to find a solution, and what seems to be very unfair amount of energy wasted on this topic that it seems that I FINALLY found something. I don't even want to say the acne is cured... b/c after everything I have been through, I don't want to jinx it. But, let's just say that Intense Pulsed Light Therapy may be a route for you to investigate. Since Dr. Jay caters the treatment specifically to each individual client and doesn't only use the Light Therapy for treatment, I cannot be 100% certain that my results are due solely (or at all) from the Light Therapy (I have also been using oral and topical anti-biotics too). However, I have used them in the past (as well as trying just about everything imagineable... i.e.: Retin-A, Benzoyl Peroxide, Alpha Hydroxy Acid, Beta Hydroxy Acid, Salycilic Acid, Vitamin Therapy, B5 Megadoses, Hormone Therapy, Spiroaldactone, Differin Gel, Tazorac, Triaz, Sumycin, Minocyclin, and the list goes on and on and on... basically, everything except for Accutane) and did not have the same results. So, it makes sense to deduce that the IPL is what is making the difference.

    If you do decide to look into this, please be aware that (from what I have been told), you should be extremely careful about who you choose to perform any type of Laser or Pulsed Light Therapy on you, as it does have the potential to scar.

    I hope I have helped you and answered your questions. Wishing you the best of luck. Please do not give up hope and know that there are others who completely feel your pain!

     
    Old 01-12-2004, 04:19 PM   #18
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    Re: Home Phototherapy for Mild/Moderate Acne

    Ok, just checked my online bank account and I see that the money for my Dermalux unit has gone out of my account. So I should see it tomorrow I guess - as long as they're not ripping me off... I will keep you posted.
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    Old 01-14-2004, 03:23 AM   #19
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    Re: Home Phototherapy for Mild/Moderate Acne

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    Ok, just checked my online bank account and I see that the money for my Dermalux unit has gone out of my account. So I should see it tomorrow I guess - as long as they're not ripping me off... I will keep you posted.
    Jhart did it come? Please tell me Dermalux sent you the unit! I have just ordered mine on eBay (lol) because I was unwilling to pay 200 and am praying the unit I got is A-OK. I will let you know when mine arrives, should be in about 8 days. Fingers crossed againl.

    Good luck with the unit and let me know your opinions when it arrives.
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    Old 01-14-2004, 09:56 AM   #20
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    Good idea to buy one on e-Bay. I thought about it but couldn't seem to find one when I looked. I'm a bit annoyed right now because the unit hasn't come again. I was going to phone Dermalux if it still hadn't come today but it's been one of those days. I was up early to cram for an exam and the one question I was sure wouldn't come up was in the paper. Then our boiler started going mental and I nearly got blown away when trying to get the pilot light on So by the time I'd messed up my exam and complained to the housing agency about the boiler it was too late to phone Dermalux. There were about two hours today when nobody was home, so maybe they came then. Sod's law if they did.
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    Old 01-15-2004, 05:31 AM   #21
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    I don't think your day could have got any worse! Man I am really sorry for that. That always happens in exams. I am almost 100% certain that examiners are telephathic because they always seem to know which question the students have unlikely revised for. But don't worry I'm sure you aced the other questions. How come your doing exams at this time of the year? I'm assuming it can't be too important to your final degree because usually all the 'official' exams are either in December or June. Well good luck anyway.

    With regards to the Dermalux unit, why don't you do the following if it STILL hasn't arrived today: phone up Dermalux cancel your order telling them that you have waited a ridiculous amount of time, ask for a refund and then try and win one of the auctions on eBay. There are two available on eBay and seems to have a reasonably cheap starting price. I know it is a gamble buying on there but at least you won't have this 200 price tag over your head. I bought my on there about 2 days ago and the person who sold it to me said I will get it in about 5-7 days time. The point I don't get here is that Dermalux are selling this unit for RRP of 200 which seems quite ridiculous. I think the most expensive parts of the unit are the fluorescent tubes however I have checked the prices of these and it seems like they cost around 25 each. So times by 4 gives a total of 100!! There is no way the rest of the unit costs an extra 100!!!!

     
    Old 01-15-2004, 08:08 AM   #22
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    The exam did actually go incredibly well since I only started revising for it the day before (my house mate does the same course and he's like my own personal lecturer - I'm very lucky). It does count towards my degree because my course is modular. At Cardiff University (my uni) we always have the winter exams in January. It's a pain because they're hanging over your head during Christmas. I'll have more exams in May and then I'm done with education I can't wait. Are you a degree student, Neca?

    Anyway, to the important stuff. I woke up this morning feeling rather chilly due to the lack of central heating. So I was hacked off, really. But lo and behold I looked downstairs and could see a package at the foot of the stairs. I new what it was straight away and bounded down to get it. No, it wasn't that porno I've got on order - it was the Dermalux unit I plugged it in and had a go right away (after washing my boat race).

    Ok, here's what it's like. It's smaller than it looked in the pictures (and it's actually a different design). As soon as you plug it in the bulbs flicker on and they're very bright - too bright to look at without the goggles (two pairs supplied). The goggles make the lights appear green (you guessed it - the goggles are green ) and it makes them easier on the eyes. But I recommend just closing your peepers and relaxing.

    I'd set the timer to fifteen minutes. When you're just sitting there with your eyes closed fifteen minutes is a long time. I listened to music (I've just discovered Rob Dougan's "Furious Angels" - containing the famous track used in The Matrix and the old Caffrey's advert, "Clubbed To Death"). I think it might have been amplified because of the artic conditions in my house but the unit seemed to provide a lot of heat (as I said, the lights are very bright).

    Well, that's it basically. Obviously there's nothing to report in terms of whether or not it works. But I will be giving myself another 15 minute session later (I plan to stick to 30 minutes a day for now) and I will post regularly to report any interesting developments. Meanwhile, while I was at the gym the boiler's been mended so I've got no excuses to get down to my mate's room for some more revision

    By the way, Neca, I went back to e-Bay and saw the units you spoke of. It's a bit galling to see one priced at 50 but as the photo showed it had been unboxed so you don't know what's happened to it. At least this way I've got the manufacturer's guarantee etc. Furthermore, I put a cheque in the bank the other day and they paid it in twice. A part of me wants to inform them of the mistake - but the other part is a student
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    Old 01-16-2004, 04:11 AM   #23
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    LOOOL! They paid it in twice. Well how crazy is that...one day everything is going wrong and boilers are blowing up in your face while you are craming then the next day your day couldn't be better: you do well in the exam, you get the Dermalux unit AND your get DOUBLE pay! Life of a typical student But if I were you, I would notify your bank regarding the double pay because they will eventually realise and ask you to give the money back but by that time you have probably spent it all thus it will force you into debt. Banks aren't stupid.

    Yeh there is one unit on eBay that looks really dodgy as it isn't boxed but the other one seems ok. I wouldn't bid/buy without contacting the seller though because as you say, you don't know what's happened to it. But that's what you get if you use eBay...it's luck!

    Hallelujah!!!!! I'm glad to hear your unit finally arrived. I bet Dermalux were reading our posts and they were worried you were gonna ask for a refund so they DHL-ed it with super-fast delivery! So how is it? When you use it does your skin feel different, does it tingle like when you sunbathe? Or do you just feel alot of heat on it?

    I'm still waiting on mine, will let you know as soon as it arrives. I'm dying to test this baby out.

    PS Yeh I'm a student at film school in London. Am planning on doing a film regarding all my experiences with acne and what it has done to my life. It's gonna be the FIRST film ever to have an actor with acne that is the GOOD GUY! Every single film I have seen that involves an actor with acne (which aren't many) always play the evil roles: drug dealers, gangsters, murderers etc.. check out Danny Trejo, almost every role this guy plays is a bad guy...Desperdo, From Dusk Till Dawn, NYPD Blue, EVEN in Baywatch. Apparently they say his skin makes him more evil-looking>>great! just great!

     
    Old 01-16-2004, 04:50 AM   #24
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    I just checked eBay again and it seems like more and more Dermalux units are being sold on there which is kind of concerning because it suggests that it JUST doesn't work! Alot of sellers seem to describe their reason for selling is due to the unit not being needed anymore because they are completely cured: I highly doubt that...especially if a seller's name is: "Tony Montana" (lol, from Scarface)

    Oh and it seems like Dermalux have actually got onto using eBay as another channel to sell their units. LOL they are selling their units on there for 207 while all the other listings by different people are around 50. Haaha and they think someone is gonna buy the 207 one?!

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    Old 01-16-2004, 07:30 AM   #25
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    Yeah, good old Danny Trejo - what a legend I last caught him in Once Upon A Time In Mexico and I thought to myself then about acne scars being the hallmark of a good villain. Maybe it's unfair to say he's always cast in villainous roles because of his skin because he's just got that all round dirty [email protected]@rd thing going down (I thought his character in GTA: Vice City was too soft). But I definitely believe scarring is used in this way. James Woods and Tommy Lee Jones are other examples that spring to mind. Sometimes I wish I'd done a film course of some sort. But then I realise that I might just as easily tired of it as I have Computer Science.

    I really hope you get to make your film, Neca. I'm a really big film fanatic. I believe everybody's got a story in them somewhere, and one day I want to write a screenplay. I know nothing about how to go about it and have no immediate ideas for a story - I just know I want to do it sometime. One day the story will come in to my head and I'll drop whatever I'm doing and write it. That's the plan, anyway

    Yeah, Dermalux have put their price up by 7.01. Looks like I got mine just in time And with regards to using it I am pleased thus far. When you're actually sat there close to the lights your face does get warm and I did look quite red after my evening session yesterday. I was concerned about it to be honest. But I trundled downstairs to watch "Dog Day Afternoon" (they don't make 'em like that anymore) with my mates and forgot about it. After watching the film my skin had regained a paler complexion so I guess it's temporary.

    This morning I was sure my active acne looked a *lot* less virulent that yesterday morning and I had no new spots. [I had my morning session after shaving today but I was wondering if that was such a good idea. Do you think it's best to use the unit to supposedly kill bacteria and then shave so that active bacteria doesn't get spread around in the shaving process?] So, yeah, for today at least I'm happy that the unit is doing something already. The true test will be in a week's time when the exams are over and it's time to go out and enjoy myself. Fingers crossed, eh

    Btw, I hope you get your unit soon Neca.
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    Ok, I had to tell you this: I just went to the loo and whilst washing my hands I looked in the mirror and saw that the acne I had this morning looks really faded and upon feeling it it is a lot less swollen, too. This never just happens by itself. When I get new acne I usually have to put up with it for at least a week. These ones seem to have gone down by 50% since this morning. I'm feeling more and more positive about this by the minute
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    Old 01-19-2004, 03:58 AM   #27
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    Oh my God this is so great to hear, it seems like the unit is having an IMMEDIATE effect on your skin. I do hope this effect continues though and isn't just the unit showing its maximum potential.

    You said that after using it for your first time your skin went red, does this happen everytime you use the unit and how long approx. does it take for your skin to return to its original colour? Does your face feel any different i.e. is it generally tighter, less oil production, smoother complexion etc.? And do you think it could actually work?

    With regards to shaving, I don't think it matters whether you did it before using the unit or after using the unit. Just make sure that before you shave, you thoroughly clean your face to remove any surface bacteria. When you have finished shaving just splash your face with some water to remove any remaining bacteria. I think when I get my unit, I am going to use a minimal skin regime meaning that I will wash my face with ONLY with water in the morning. In the evening I will use some Cetaphil cleanser to wash my face then I may use 2.5% BP just for individual spots. I'm not gonna cover my entire face with the stuff. I wanna see how effective this unit actually is and to make sure it is ACTUALLY the unit improving my skin and not the creams/face washes that I use.

    How many days has it been since you start using it? Are you on about 'Day 5'? I am hoping/praying your next update will be positive. But let's not get too carried away, small/any improvements in your skin will be great at the stage of the treatment. When you said your acne had gone down by 50% I was stunned! THAT IS AMAZING! But remember even if you are still seeing any new acne appearing it doesn't mean it isn't working. You are early days so your skin is still throwing out any dormant acne. In two weeks time you should hopefully see noticeable improvements.

    I can't wait for your next post, keep with the updates, I am reading with anticipation!!!!! Good luck man!!!!!!

     
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    Neca, it's all good so far I genuinely feel that the Dermalux unit *is* having an immediate effect. I'm not just saying that so people don't think I wasted my money - I'd be honest about it even if it was making the situation worse. Before I go into details I'll explain how I feel right now. Ever since realising Roaccutane wasn't the long-term solution I thought it would be (the acne came back after just a couple of heavenly months), I've given up imagining that acne can actually be controlled. But over these last few days I've started believing again. If the results I've witnessed aren't simply a fluke (and it would be some fluke) then I think I've actually stumbled across something sustainable.

    I continue to use the unit for 15 minutes at either end of the day. And I've resolved the facial redness: it was a simple case of moving a couple of inches further away from the bulbs (to the recommended half a foot), and it doesn't seem to have made them any less effective. I suppose my face does exhibit a redish glow after use but it disappears after a short period. Now, in terms of the benefits, I don't know about tightness exactly, but smooth is a word that springs to mind. As I said, the inflammations on my skin have reduced *greatly* and those spots I had before beginning treatment have faded and smoothened over incredibly quickly. I guess that's the effect of the red light.

    With regard to the blue light I definitly think it's doing its job of killing the P acnes. In the last few days I've experienced only three new outbreaks of individual spots. For me that's a dramatic reduction. But what excites me the most is that these new spots are basically tiny pimples. Moreoever, they appeared in areas that were already affected, not in new places. This makes me think that the light is killing the bacteria and that not only does this mean I experience less spots but those that get through aren't as inflammed because of the lack of bacteria. In fact, I had a pimple on my chin this morning that's already disappeared without trace. I have never seen anything like this.

    Neca, I don't think it can do any harm for you to test the Dermalux out properly by not using anything else. That's basically all I'm doing. I sincerely hope that you experience similar findings to mine. Of course, I'm not going to get carried away over five days' progress in case something goes wrong 'cos I'll be gutted. I'm taking it one day at a time and, like you said, hopefully in a few weeks I will be able to get properly excited. At the moment I'm aiming as high as I can for Friday's post-exams celebrations. The Students' Union is a cattle market on these occassions And it really is time I found a girl to remove the bad memories of my ex.

    And I've got about 600 worth of unworn clothes to choose from. I haven't worn any them because I desperately wanted to sort my skin out before wearing nice stuff. It sounds silly but I don't see the point of nice clothes if I don't feel confident in them. If I can wear my Hacket polo shirt and a big confident smile then I'll be loving it and it'll be all because of the Dermalux. When do you expect to get your unit Neca? Soon I hope
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    Old 01-19-2004, 11:00 AM   #29
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    HOLY CR4P! There IS a God!!!!!!!!!!!!!

     
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    Like I say, it really does feel that way right now and it's pretty amazing. But it has only been a few days so I'm not going to get carried away and I hope I haven't built your hopes up unrealistically. But, of course, I hope you experience the same kind of results I have and I desperately hope that my progress continues.
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