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Freerider 09-24-2004 02:45 PM

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gdf, I would suggest not eating any processed foods (including bread, pasta, white rice) or sugar (except from fruit) for 2 weeks. It will be 2 extremely tough weeks, but I believe you will reap the benefits and be convinced there is a connection between diet and acne. It gets easier after you know it works. Eating less fast food and sugar usually isn't good enough to determine the overwhelming benefits of eating properly. If you can find a glycemic load table, eat only foods with a GL less than 10 for 2 weeks. That's what I did and was amazed at the results.

aquarius0121 09-24-2004 04:16 PM

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I think that diet does cause acne in some people, but diet modifications are really hard to stick with. I've found that both sugars and fats make acne worse, in my case, and for a while, I stop eating them... and then one day I go off the diet, and my skin looks worse again - after 1 day of bad eating. Diet modification is not a real-world solution to acne, since nobody can eat perfect all the time. And who would want to?

Also, I think the key thing to remember is that acne is caused by many factors, not just one. Sometimes I get acne on humid days because my skin can't "breathe", per say. Other times I'm really stressed and I get bad jaw-line acne. Other times I'll just touch my face too much, and BAM, more acne.

My whole theory about food is that food (and actually being hungry) elevate mood levels. Like when I'm really hungry, and I eat a candy bar, I can actually feel my body being "energized"... then the sugar drop an hour later. When I'm hungry, I get moody and irritable. I think it may be mood levels that actually affect acne. I'm not a biologist, so I have no idea how hormones work, but considering I feel all together different when I eat different foods indicates that food has an affect physically.

This is just a theory, but it makes sense to me...

aquarius0121 09-24-2004 04:22 PM

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Back to the idea of the 1st post, I honestly don't believe that dermatologists don't tell us about food affects because they're greedy. If that were the case, dermatologists would be rushing out writting books about food and acne and making millions of dollars... Think of the Atkins book craze. Someone a few posts back mentioned the fact that all food affects people differently, so you can't classify some food as bad, and other food as good. Thus no basis for a book. Most of the posts on this board relating food and acne are just speculation... Some foods cause acne for them, some don't, so they have this great diet and clear skin. I think the majority of us suffer from a more complex cause of acne, like an intolerance to certain pollutants in the air, bacteria in tap water, or internal unknown issues.

alltaken 09-24-2004 07:06 PM

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After reading the posts here it seems most people do believe there's a connection between the things we eat and acne. Maybe there is, I'm no expert. I still believe that for the most part it's genetically instilled in us as to which of us is blessed with such an attribute.

I believe acne is either brought on either through heredity, stress, poor hygiene or touching your face too often. I suppose some people experience increased breakouts from the things they eat, we're all made up differently.

I've gotten treatment, and I'm still taking it. I'm on Doxycycline, Retin-A Micro, and Brevoxyle. I've been on all 3 for 2.5 months now and I have NO new breakouts. My 'old' ones are not infected looking and they're slowly diminishing. My skin has never been so clear in my life, I'm 30. I just wish I would have done this sooner.

idealist 09-24-2004 09:01 PM

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great post. it was not too long. the more info the better. glad you found the natural way out, and that it's helping :)

what form do you eat the coconut in? and if it's a brand, what brand? i'm kind of a picky eater (semi-vegetarian, only chicken on occasion) so i'm always looking for new vegetarian "acne-safe" foods.

Serrelind 09-25-2004 06:28 AM

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I also believe in the strong connection between acne and food. I started eating a lowcarb diet a year ago, and I noticed a great deal of improvements in my skin after cutting out the white food (rice, potato, pasta, bread, etc), sugar, and other high glycemic food. I still have some acne, but I think the reason is due to eating too much processed food. So I'm going to try to trim that down further. Other lowcarbers have noticed their skin getting better too.

I believe hormones play a huge role in acne. If our skin is screwed up, it means our hormones are out of balance. Pay particular attention to insulin. I think it is one of the main culprits. Eating high sugar, high glycemic, highly processed food will mess around with your hormones. When one hormone is out of wack in your system, it will cause your whole system to be out of wack. If anyone wishes to read more about the role of insulin and how vital hormones play a role in regulating our system, read The Schwarzbein's Principle.

I don't know why doctors are not telling us the link between diet and acne. Is it out of ignorance? Are they brainwashed? All I know is that I must do my own research into this. I cannot rely on doctors anymore.

Zshock 09-25-2004 01:09 PM

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I just watched an interesting show on tv about something like this. The guy was on there selling a book called [U]Natural Cures They Don't Want You to Know About[/U] and he didn't say anything about acne specifically but he did mention alot about the "conspiracy" the FDA and the food producers have going. He said they make diet foods, but they put additives in the food to make you hungrier, make you fat, and make you addicted to their products. Another point he made is that there are more drug commercials now then ever before...but why would they advertise drugs for diseases when viewers might not have the disease, because it's all about money. Why do you need to watch a commercial about zyrtec, alegra, or claritin when it's the doctor who prescribes you the medicines anyways?

There may be cures out there for alot of the things we suffer from, but do you think that the drug companies want cures? No, they want you to continue to take their drugs for the rest of your life because to them it's all about the money not your quality of health. Prescription drugs are a multimillion if not billion dollar industry and if you are healthy that means no more profits for them.

idealist 09-26-2004 08:13 PM

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i just looked up The Schwarzbein's Principle on the internet. sounds very familiar with what a lot of natural acne cure believers recommend. it's interesting that Schwarzbein is an endroconologist.

i really don't think that the ENTIRE medical profession is out to make a profit. like i said before, i feel all of western civilization has been brainwashed in way. when you grow up eating food from a box and can and everyone else you know does too, you are going to think it's normal.

****for those who want to try the diet route to cure their acne, DON"T EXPECT A CHANGE OVERNIGHT...GIVE IT MONTHS. Schwarzbein's Principle states that you heal your body of years of poor eating overnight. your hormones are not going to balance themselves with just a few weeks over night. it can take many, many months

Freerider 09-27-2004 07:02 AM

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Idealist, you asked about the coconut I eat. Sometimes I buy a whole coconut at the supermarket and break it open. I drink the water inside and eat the "meat" by slicing layers off with a knife. However, this takes more effort than I am often willing to put out. So, there's an Indian grocery store near my house that sell bags of fresh coconut pieces. I forget the brand name. It's hard to find coconut, unless you have an ethnic grocery store or a Whole Foods store (they sometimes have it). Countries in Asia and the South Pacific (Philipines, Indonesia, etc) have been using coconut, both as food and topically (the oil), to protect, heal, and maintain skin health throughout their history.

I agree with the above comments on the medical world and modern western philosophies on food. I don't believe either are completely evil, but both are probably misguided and/or naÔve to a degree. I have had more than a few people tell me how unhealthy I was eating because I was not eating bread, pasta, and cereal-- things made in a factory. Factories that have only been processing food in the past couple hundred years. Now all of a sudden I'm an outcast because I don't want to eat food that's been completely denatured after going through a series of vitamin-stripping, fiber-demolishing machines. I can't blame the people who say these things though. I'm only one year removed from this very same way of thinking. People need to be educated on what food actually does when it enters your body. That's where the FDA and medical world have failed. But we can do our part. I've turned half my friends on to eating whole unprocessed foods. I have other friends who are missionary doctors in remote places throughout the world. They say NO western diseases (heart disease, cancers, liver disease, etc) exist in people groups whose food consists of only what they grow, kill, or forage. No coincidence, I believe. These people die from infections, malaria, or old age, but never from heart attacks, strokes, etc.

Most people 'round here think I'm an wacko extremist for thinking these things, so Iím glad some of you share similar beliefs.

SweetJade1 09-27-2004 09:19 AM

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Yeah it really is mind boggling isn't it? No one seems to be able to fully connect the fact that Type II Diabetes didn't exist 100 years ago. No one can fully connect that the Top Diseases today, lifestyle diseases such as obesity, colon cancer, heart disease, were not on the top or weren't even on the list 100 years ago. What killed us back then were viruses, bacterial diseases, or nutrient defficiencies, what's killing us now are mainly environmentally induced also, BUT due to our lifestyles.

The other thing that people say is that they eat the same way as their parents, and they never had these problems. Well what our parents eat now, is not what most of them grew up eating. Most grew up eating food prepared at home and so they had a good foundation to begin with. Whereas a % of us may have started out with a good foundation but as we grew older and started going to school, that changed to Refined foods, packaged food, fast food, vending machine food, etc. All things that are convenient but not healthy for us on a long term daily basis, especially while we are still growing & going through puberty!

Most of this food we eat now didn't exist in those forms 100 years ago. In fact I believe TV Dinners just came on board in the 1930s or 1940s and those things were my staples along with canned food for several years (1-2x a day) prior to changing my diet. Fast food was something that I started eating regularly for lunch in High School and continued into college. Fast Food is something that in the 1980s Americans consumed several times a week on average, so imagine what that number is now.

I think that's what people fail to understand. Food isn't just food. The [B]quality[/B] & [B]type [/B] of food has changed drastically this past century. Along with this has come an increased consumption of refined foods that [B]severely [/B] lack the basic nutrients (fiber) to maintain health & prevent disease. When it comes down to us avoiding very specific things like bread for example, it's not because it's "bread" but because of [B]the way it is produced [/B], or because it [B]contains proteins that are problematic[/B] or because there are much [B]more nutritious grains[/B] than wheat. Yet, no matter how naturally nutritious or vitamin enriched a food is, if it causes [B]you[/B] a problem (allergies, intolerance, diabetes, acne) you have NO business eating it daily or at all...unless you honestly don't care about helping yourself.

Unfortunately that's something that people do is live for the "now" and then cry about the future later. Did ya'll know that if you have a hormonal disorder such as diabetes, thyroidits and acne, that we are more susceptible to accuiring more diseases and even cancers? Probably because [B]our bodies are already running in overdrive or underdrive and has yet to find BALANCE![/B] If we don't [B]try[/B] to control or prevent these problems to begin with, after years or decades of chronic imbalance the body starts to break down and as a result, prostate cancer, breast cancer, colon cancer can occur because we [I]allowed [/I] things to further escalate. Honestly, I don't do any of this in hopes of living longer or preventing cancer, but to improve my quality of life, health (eliminate acne, etc) and thus, boost my happiness so that I CAN enjoy my life for the "right now".

Freerider 09-27-2004 11:18 AM

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Sweetjade, thanks for the insightful post. I agree with everything you wrote. Don't you wish sometimes that you can have a higher platform from which to express your beliefs and the facts on the effects of a modern diet? The acneboard is a humble podium. Until some of talking heads catch the wave, we'll have to keep to our grassroots approach to changing people's thinking. I proposed this argument to a friend eating cheese curls the other day. Drawing from the doodle's resemblance to Styrofoam, I asked my friend if he would ever eat orange Styrofoam. He just rolled his eyes, as he usually does when I begin a diatribe on healthy dieting. I told him that I bet 200 years ago people would have gasped at the prospect of ingesting something as foreign to the body as a cheese curl. He somewhat agreed after pondering the idea. I then bet that 200 years from now, if we continued the downward spiral, people may be eating food closer to the chemical composition of Styrofoam than to actual food. He thought I was an idiot, but I donít think I was being to far-fetched.

We live in a country of convenience. Because of the societal pressure to be successful, financially-speaking, people have put careers ahead of all else, including family. People used to have more time to prepare food from scratch, grow gardens, etc. Now deadlines and commitments and the drive to be have more money/things than your father and neighbor forces people to turn the priority pyramid upside down. Family and health is the side project to the career. People address me as Freerider (pseudonym), the successful Environmental Specialist, instead of Freerider, the good husband and humanitarian. Okay, I'm at the wrong board for this type of tangent. But I believe the screwed up diet of today has roots here.

Sweetjade, do you have backup research articles or other sources for the thought that those of us with hormonal diseases (inc. acne) are more susceptible to acquiring other diseases? I would be very interested in reading up on this and passing the knowledge to othersÖ.

idealist 09-27-2004 09:32 PM

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freerider, thanks for the nfo on the coconut. i've heard other good things about coconut so i think i will incorporate it into my diet.

i too have experienced people/friends thinking i'm a bit strange or unhealthy for not eating bread, etc. i think it's partly because i am very thin (have always been so), maybe they think i'm anorexic. BUT, since changing my diet (it's been a little over a year now) i have gotten a handful of compliments that i look "healthy" and am "glowing." i notice a difference too. even though i was scrawny, i always felt very flabby (i don't excercise, which is somthing else i have to work on). since the change in diet i am definitely a LEAN scrawny, instead of a flabby scrawny.

considering all the recent low-carb diets, dr. perricone's book, etc, it seems (and i really hope) that a revealation on diet and health/disease is on it's way.

Lawshmo 09-28-2004 02:06 PM

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Freerider, et al

Do you have any good suggestions for websites/cookbooks/etc to help someone interested in trying a low-glycemic diet? After battling a resurgence of acne for over a year now (I just turned 30), with no real, lasting improvement, I'm looking for new options. I've juggled the idea of accutane, but I'm loathe to try something that powerful.

The catch is I that my lifestyle right now simply won't allow for ornate preparations or a lot of cooking, so I'm hoping to find some quick and easy guide to going low-glycemic and see what happens. I've found a few helpful websites with glycemic load indexes, but they seem to have a lot of gaps. For instance, you mentioned chicken and fish in one of your posts. Are these both low glycemic and recommended?

Thanks in advance.

Freerider 09-28-2004 03:24 PM

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Lawshmo, I think it's great that you're looking into diet as a way to keep the acne at bay. It will work and it will be hard work, I promise both. I admit that eating the way I eat is not very conducive with a fast-paced lifestyle. At the same time, it is not impossible. There are so many different names and websites for low-GL diets. I truly believe that a raw foods low-GL diet is the best for the skin. BUT, it is very hard to eat completely raw. So I'm doing what I feel is a good second place diet. I've tailored my diet myself and follow no one's plan exactly. I got started on Loren Cordain's Paleo Diet, a whole foods low-GL diet, that includes lean meats (like chicken, fish, venison, game birds) along with the expected fruits-nuts-veggies. The Paleo Diet is probably the closest to how Iím eating now. Loren Cordain is the fellow who led the acne-diet studies on the people groups in Papua New Guinea and Paraguay.

I've corresponded via email with Cordain and he's been very helpful and adamant that this way of eating is beneficial to people susceptible to acne. But he's not the only one and I'm not here to sell his diet plan at all (in fact don't buy his book; I agree with his way of eating but not the evolutionary basis). There are other diets that do the job just as well. If I were you, I would check out Cordain's stuff first to get a feel of the acceptable foods. And then look other places. Experiment with what foods your skin can tolerate and you'll eventually fashion your own workable diet plan (one that's conducive to your on-the-go lifestyle). Don't forget to relax once in a while, too. It's good for the skin and the soul.

bulletinboard25 09-28-2004 05:31 PM

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i couldn't disagree with you more when you said that they don't want to give the public a cure for acne.. b/c it is not life threatening, and purely cosmetic..... give me a break..... the fact of the matter is, if there was a cure, the manufacturer of that medicine would make TONS of money, and they would make tons of money for a long time.... b/c acne affects so many people in the world... just b/c one generation is cured, doesn't mean the next generation is cured.. they will have to buy the "cure all" pill too..... i just find it funny when people say the medical field doesn't want to find cures for things, b/c there is so much money to be made w/ the other medicines... if someone came up w/ a cure, they're going to sell it... why??! because they're going to get so damm rich it isn't even funny.......

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