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    Old 01-15-2002, 06:51 AM   #16
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    Re: There IS a cure for acne...

    Can't you just take some laxatives or some fiber? This routine sounds very complicated.

     
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    Old 01-15-2002, 07:36 AM   #17
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    Re: There IS a cure for acne...

    Hey Bacne,

    I did try other zinc supplements like chelated zinc and zinc gluconate but they didn't work as well. If you are interested in zinc, I would definately suggest OptiZinc because it's the most absorbable and advanced form on the market...and zinc supplements are very cheap too. I buy mine from Natrol and I pay
    4$ for a 60 cap bottle that lasts me two months. The next best zinc supplement would be picolinate.

    I started to see results after about 3 weeks and my face was totally clear after two months. For some people, it might take longer because zinc is a slow acting mineral...you won't see results overnight. Another thing, don't panic if your acne gets worst the first week or two using zinc...it's a normal reaction.

    Good luck!

     
    Old 01-15-2002, 06:12 PM   #18
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    i tried zinc and felt like throwing up every time i took it.i still have a bottle almost full,because i felt terrible everytime i took it,anyone else have this problem??

     
    Old 01-15-2002, 08:24 PM   #19
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    AGUY - Our liver is quite amazing. The cells are constantly rejuivinating, therefore, it can repair itself fairly quickly. A herb that I use for my liver is Milk Thistle. You want to make sure it is standardized with Silymarin (that's the potent ingredient, if it isn't standardized you won't see much results). It has been found to support liver function. That would probably be a good place to start.

    As far as your upset stomach with zinc, make sure you are taking it with food. If that doesn't help, you might want to determine whether or not you need more zinc. Enzymatic Therapy has a liquid zinc supplement called OptiStat(if I remember correctly - it's the only liquid zinc they have). Follow the instructions, based on what you taste will determine if you need to supplement with zinc.

    Hope that helps. I work for a chain of health food stores, and have my Masters in Holistic Nutrition (all the research I was doing on acne led me to the program). If anyone has any questions, I will try to help. I've been struggling with various degrees of acne for about 15 years, and have done a lot of research and tried a lot of things during that time.

    Good Luck to Everyone.
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    Old 01-15-2002, 09:52 PM   #20
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    Re: There IS a cure for acne...

    I just started taking zinc (50mg),
    and even after a meal,
    it makes me sick to my stomach. I am hoping it will work, so I guess I will just suck it up. If anyone has any ideas how to take it without feeling sick, please let us know!

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    Old 01-16-2002, 06:11 AM   #21
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    Re: There IS a cure for acne...

    What about zinc that is part of a multi-vitamin? Is that as effective or do you need a separate supplement of zinc? My multi has zinc in it (100% i believe).

     
    Old 01-16-2002, 10:43 AM   #22
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    Re: There IS a cure for acne...

    I would think that your daily zinc is enough (RDA reccomends .2 mg daily.) but I think the posters are taking quite a bit higher dose....thus the side effects.
    Overdosing on zinc reacts with nausea, yellow coloring, etc.
    many studies have found that over 100mg a day will reduce the immune systems capabilities, many antibiotics may be ineffective with too much zinc in the system. Zinc can also create microcytosis (reduction in size of red blood cells). Zinc loading will also create problems with other minerals in th body like copper.
    I am not preachin or going to go on and on, but regardless of what you take, what works. etc. Just be sure to RESEARCH to make sure you understand the effects on the body and what you are puttin in it. <IMG SRC="http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif">
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    Old 01-16-2002, 12:43 PM   #23
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    Thanks-I'll just continue on with my multi!

     
    Old 01-16-2002, 08:48 PM   #24
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    hey cindyn,do u think my liver inflammation is wat caused my acne in any way.its just that right after i found out about this i started getting acne.and ive never suffered from acne.

     
    Old 01-16-2002, 09:04 PM   #25
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    Re: There IS a cure for acne...

    Concerning zinc......

    I think that zinc is best absorbed WITHOUT food in most cases... a half-an-hour before bedtime is a great time to take it.

    As far as zinc and its absorbtion...

    Iron decreases its absorbtion. That's a scientific fact.
    Calcium COMPLETELY decreases its absorbtion. That's also a scientific fact, and if anyone wants to argue about that to me, be my guest. There is what I believe somewhat of a stupid trend going on in the supplement industry. Most zinc supplements actually CONTAIN some form of calcium in them... check your zinc supplement. 9 times out of 10 the word "calcium" will appear in the ingredient list.

    As far as zinc supplements, I would actually recommend to you a ZMA supplement. ZMA stands for Zinc Monomethione Aspartame, and it is a bodybuilding supplement believe it or not. It contains Zinc Monomethione (OptiZinc), Magnesium, and B6 in a potent combination that will drastically reaise your testosterone by 30%. Now some of you might be saying "Isn't testosterone bad? Won't that cause acne?" No! Not true! Testosterone is actually a great hormone. Did you ever see a pimple on Arnold Schwarzenegger? I don't think so (even though he DID in fact take steriods, but let's not get into that). The only reason that steriods will give you those kind of side effects is because they are synthetic and disrupt your natural hormones. You see, your body will actually shut off its testosterone because it is constantly receiving the hormone from another source. This leads to bad bad stuff. The bad hormone is actually DHT, which is responsible for acne as well as hairloss. Zinc will help to correct this, and believe it or not, nutritionalists recommend zinc as a preventative measure against hairloss. You should take zinc internally (ZMA) and externally (Head and Shoulders) for the best results.

    Anyway, to make matters short, ZMA is an awesome supplement, not only for bodybuilding, but for everything! A lot of people forget that Magnesium is crucial to hormonal balance... I would recommend Higher Power Nutrition's ZMA Night Time Formula. It makes you sleep like a baby... it's great, and trust me, it will help with your acne. It's the best zinc supplement out there. Some of you may JUST have acne because you're deficinent in zinc. If that is the case, then this could very well be your cure. Just make sure you haven't eaten anything with iron or calcium 2 hours prior to taking it. You shouldn't be eating 3 hours before bedtime anyway, as this is hard on the liver, and liver health is so important for healthy skin!

    Concerning the liver purge...

    Make sure you kill parasites first before you do this. You might become quite sick. I made the mistake of not doing this. I was very sorry I made this decision when I was throwing up numerous times. You'll still get stones out, but it won't be as effective.

    Parasites...

    You could be taking your supps perfectly and be doing everything else right, but if you haven't killed parasites, you're putting a lot of that expensive supplementation to waste. Once a nutritionalist said "Who are you feeding, you or your parasites?" This has truth to this. Now obviously, let's not go to drastic measures and say "Chris, you're wrong... if parasites were stealing all of my food, I would be dead!" You're right, parasites don't steal all your food, but they can cause pretty bad health problems. As a simple test, do you have dandruff at all? Or have you ever had athlete's foot? How about warts? Does your scalp itch? It could very well be due to parasites. I highly recommend ridding yourselves of these little critters through the use of an electronic unit as well as the herbal stuff. The great thing about the electronic unit is once you buy it, you can keep zapping and zapping free of charge, killing every parasite in your body except those in your colon. You will need the herbs for that.

    Concerning the multi-vitamins...

    The best "multi-vitamin" you can get is a mixture of bee pollen and royal jelly. These supply EVERYthing you could possible want. Most multi-vitamins out there are crap. For instance, what good is having zinc in a multi-vitamin if iron is in it too? Iron will prevent the zinc from being absorbed.

    Also, you might be wondering when to take supplements. One would think that the best way to take them is right after a meal. Wrong. 5 minutes prior to a meal is ideal for absorbtion. Trust me. And take your Vitamin E and A when your eating meals with fat, since they are fat-soluble.

    Many of you may still be searching for the acne cure. It's a long journey, but with diligence you'll get there. Suprisingly, you really don't have to spend too much money if you play your cards right. And you don't have to be perfect, either. My diet isn't perfect... nobody's is, but I sure don't get acne anymore, and this is quite a feat for a 17 year old guy in the middle of puberty. Not only will your acne improve, but every aspect of your health will as well. You will sleep better, you will be more musclar and defined (I know I am), your eyes will become more cystal clear, your vision may improve, you will NEVER become sick, because at this point your body's immune system is incredibly strong, and you'll be happier... not only because you look better but because you feel great too!<p>[This message has been edited by moderator3 (edited 01-16-2002).]

     
    Old 01-17-2002, 12:18 AM   #26
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    Re: There IS a cure for acne...

    Nutrition Expert-
    First, you said that you are 17- I applaud you for being bright at such a young age and concerned with living happily-- instead of taking drugs and getting drunk and having no concern for your body.

    What are more simple ways to live better? All of these 50 step vitamin regimes and different advices are leading me to nowhere. I know that youll have some answers for me. I have no clue what causes my mild acne, I just want it to be GONE. I have a feeling that youre trying to say that if a person cleanses their inside, then their skin cannot possibly suffer anymore. Is that true? Could you be the healthiest person and still breakout? Reasons such as oil production, hormones. Does that change for the better when the inner body is clean?

     
    Old 01-17-2002, 07:04 AM   #27
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    Another quick question: What foods would provide zinc? I really don't believe that my acne (which is gone for the most part) is due to a lack of zinc, rather I believe that my acne is hormonal. However, having said that, I am curious as to what foods would provide zinc and other important nutrients. I eat healthy (lots of fruits, vegetables, etc.) but I could always use some improvement I suppose.

     
    Old 01-17-2002, 10:43 AM   #28
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    yes the body does have many micro-organisms living on it, in it etc. But you know what WE need some of these lil guys to help our bodies function properly.
    I don't know you guys I have over 260 credit hours in exercise science and NUTRITION and yes you can flush your system if you feel the need and alternative medicine has its pluses as well. I am totally for natural healing, but I fear this may be a little too far out there.
    I researched some cleansing herbs and took them for about a month as a study for a class......well my acne didn't clear up and I actually GOT a fungus in my skin.
    I discussed with the "cleansing pro" and was told "hey it is just all the horrible toxins coming out through your skin..escaping finally" sounded okay.... a month later I am on a very expensive creme(lortisone) to rid the rash. It finally went away.
    So I am all for natural medicine and holistic health, but there is also a point where you must realize....a lot of these ideas are guesswork or something someone has put together to make $$$.
    just be careful what you do to your body.......it is your only temple. teehee. good luck lol. <IMG SRC="http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif"><p>[This message has been edited by moderator3 (edited 01-17-2002).]

     
    Old 01-17-2002, 04:50 PM   #29
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    Nutr.Expert, its true dht is the bad hormone but excess test is converted into dht through 5-alpha reductase so more test usually equals more dht unless you take propecia. Also, your theory about Arnold has no significants at all. Sure he had high test but he also had higher levels of dht too because of the higher test and he still didn't have pimples. If anyone is interested in taking zma, I recommend buying solaray's optizinc and solarays magnesium supp. The zinc has 30mg zinc monotheione, and 20mgs b6, and is 60 capsules. The magnesium is 200mgs a capsule and has 100 caps. The total of the 2 bottles is 16 dollars and is a 60 day supply. The higher power and other zma formulas have 30mgs zinc, 10 mgs b-6, and 450 mgs mag., so there almost identical and theirs is $15 but is only a 30 day supply. Peace.<p>[This message has been edited by Bacne (edited 01-17-2002).]

     
    Old 01-18-2002, 04:11 PM   #30
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    blondiebiker - I value your comments, but has your degree helped to CURE your acne? I am not a salesman, or anything of the sort(I am insulted that you would think that btw), but I do make recommendations to products that work. I am a 17 year old guy who was fed up with living an unhealthy lifestyle. I decided to make a change for the better. Concerning your statement:

    "yes the body does have many micro-organisms living on it, in it etc. But you know what WE need some of these lil guys to help our bodies function properly."

    Maybe you could fill me in on where I talked about killing the micro-organisms that the human body needs, because I definitely must have missed that. By definition, a parasite is an organism that feeds off its host and aids in no way to the survival of that host. Look it up. Don't question my judgement if it has cured my acne. I have tried everything under the sun except for accutane (god forbid I ever would take that) until I found what worked for me. Judge my knowledge upon results, not a piece of paper that I am too young to acquire.

    AngelaMDarling - You want to know of simple steps to becoming healthier. If you are perfectly healthy, it is impossible to get acne. For you, I recommend a good EFA supplement (The Total EFA by Health From the Sun (liquid)). If you're going to supplement with anything, this is what you want to go with. 2 tablespoons a day might keep the acne at bay! Also, try and get a good run in at least 5 times a week, it helps clean the lymph nodes. Make sure you're staying away from poisons like processed white sugar, hydrogenated fat (or any fat that is rancid for that matter), and god forbid Nutrisweet or any artificial sweetener. While you may think I take 50 different vitamins a day and it costs a lot, it really doesn't, and I pay for it all myself. Oh, and if you're taking pantothenic acid, which is helpful, note that it won't be effective at all if you're liver isn't in good shape, since the liver processes it into what you need...

    Jersey Girl - Some foods that supply zinc are: red meat, oysters, and grains. The best source of zinc is meat. However, it is simply impossible these days to get enough zinc from your daily diet. And I hope you're not a vegetarian who doesn't take a zinc supp... You gotta supplement if you're a vegetarian.

    Bacne - I believe you missed my entire point, but that's quite alright. There's no such thing as "excess testosterone" unless your taking steroids. And receptors on the skin and the scalp are what cause dht to wreak havoc. If you take zinc at an early age, it could prevent this. Higer testosterone does NOT mean you will have more DHT... unless it is synthetic. Got it? Also, you may think the best way to go is to buy a zinc supplement, magnesium supplement, and b-6 supplement at the same time, because it is more cost effective, and you're right. However, it simply does not create a potent effect unless you take it as ZMA. They are not almost identical, not even close... but nice try. Btw, if you're a bodybuilder, what are your stats? Because you talk a big game, but can you back it up?

     
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