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    Old 07-15-2002, 04:17 PM   #1
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    Here's a list of SUPPLEMENTS that help ACNE, what are yours???

    First of all, I NEVER take anything relating to my health or skin at face value. I listen to people's rants or raves on the product and if I feel it's something that might help me, I research it. I look up articles, look up it's description & ingredients and I talk to those selling the product (could be biased). I suggest that all of you do the same.

    So I will start by saying that of course just because a product helps with acne, doesnt mean it will work for everyone, but WHAT product or supplement has? People immediately jump into taking things and are disappointed when it doesn't work for them and automatically believe it's a useless product. Well, for them it is, BUT for people experiencing CERTAIN problems, that product could make all the difference. The KEY is using products that are specifically designed to help YOUR particular problem!

    Yes, we all have some form of acne on this board but I guarentee you that we all have dozens of reasons why. For me it is a ongoing hormonal disorder vs. "temporary" hormonal fluctuations experienced by teenagers and some adults. Therefore, yes I was tested and I was diagnosed PCOS or IR (both have same treatment). I've always known I had a problem and because of my father once being in the military I've been EXTREMELY fortunate to be able to see a doctor whenever I needed to. I'm even more thankful because a year from now, I won't be eligible to claim myself as a dependent so no more free healthcare. Yet, since I now know what is wrong, I can continue to solve it on my own. I DEFINATELY reccomend that if you can afford it to PLEASE get your hormones tested!!!

    There is so much controversy over supplements and herbs and like I said before, do your own research and choose products designed to help your own problem! I've posted a more extensive list at the bottom, but this is what I know about the herbs that I'm taking and how they may help with my hormones & acne.

    So, while I am far from an expert, I own several books on natural treatment methods, vitamins, and, herbs, plus a book on PCOS and they all say the same thing. I've also researched this on the web and the information is consistant! I also continue to read up on any new information that could be postive or negative relating to the herbs that I do take. I take only 5 types of herbs at maximum at varying times:

    Gingko Biloba (highly effective for menstrual cramps, increases circulation) taken only several days a month.

    Saw Palmetto [alt. to spirinolactone] (anti-inflammatory, a mild anti-androgen, mildly estrogenic, and a DHT blocker) Therefore it could help decrease unwanted hair growth, acne breakouts, prostate problems, etc. This herb is useful in reproductive disorders, diabetes, hormonal regulation, etc. Used to take 3x a day, but planning on upping to 6x a day and then I may decrease (just like those who take high amounts of B5 and drop to a maintainence dose). I've NEVER broken out while taking it off and on for (several months at a time) the past 2 years, and never had any problems with it.

    I also take the herbs listed below as they are useful for females. When I take them, I take each 3x a day (most herbs are taken that often). So it may also be a combination of the 4, BUT saw palmetto is SPECIFICALLY defined to help those with excess testosterone/androgen levels. These are:

    Wild Yam (estrogenic, blood purifier, helps with female problems, helps stomach problems)

    Fennel (anti-inflammatory, anti-microbial, estrogenic, source of Vit. A, aids digestion)

    Fenugreek (good for diabetics/lowers blood sugar, lowers cholesterol, anti-inflammatory, good for stomach irritation--could interfere with effectiveness of other drugs).

    Yes, herbs have a WIDE variety of uses and sometimes they are better at some things than others. If you find that you are allergic (Don Quai helped my cramps but gave me a rash) or it doesn't work for you, move on to the next one. Herbs that will help acne are those that are tonics, purifiers, anti-inflammatories, antibiotic, anti-microbial, estrogenic, hormone regulators, and possibly others. Just in that list alone you already have plenty to choose from but these are designated to help acne (mostly indirectly by helping other problems u have):

    Garlic
    Guggulipid (guggul)
    Grape Seed Extract
    (Lactobacillus Acidophilus)
    Aloe extract
    Dandelion Root
    Burdock
    Bayberry
    (zinc, vit. A, C, E, & B5, B6, selenium, niacin, folic acid)
    (Chromium GTF polynicotinate & CLA--Alt. to Avandia, Metaformin, etc)
    (GLA, DHA, Alpha Linoleic Acid, Alpha Lipoic Acid)
    Tea tree oil (external)
    Neem Oil (external)
    Lavender oil (external)
    Calendula
    Vitex/Chasteberry (could produce opp. results for some)
    Echinacea
    Goldenseal & Oregon Graperoot
    Chamomile (internal or external as a toner)
    Rose (as a face spritz)
    Cabbage (yes this may come in capsules)
    (Brewer's Yeast)
    (Lecithin)
    Fenugreek
    Saw Palmetto
    Stinging Nettle (may be more powerful than Saw Palmetto, lowers blood sugar)

    The list goes on, but remember that a change in DIET can also play a POSITIVE role. I've used some of the above and noticed variable to no success on them (they weren't designated for my problem). Also herbs are usually taken at a minimum of 2-3x a day and some vitamins are taken at 2-4x the normal dosage.

    Of course some of these may have side effects which is why you should read about them, but in terms of breaking you out, it depends. If you are allergic to an herb you will know immediately! Otherwise it may take a few days, but if you aren't breaking out more than usual, I wouldn't stop taking it. Some supplements are detoxifiers and may cause you to temporarily breakout so you may want to slowly increase your dosage of those kinds of herbs & vitamins (to hopefully prevent that). Most supplements take several months (taken every day) to work on problems that you've had for a long period of time (just like prescriptions). Some can work immediately, just like asprin. It just depends on the supplement, it's potency, and the problem.

    Remember the following should be noted when purchasing any supplement:

    Fillers--Try and get supplements that are as free from FILLERS as possible. (Natural fillers such as Vitamin E oil, etc may be OK, but some ingredients in vitamins are used in skincare and are considered acne causers or you may be allergic to an ingredient, so just read labels carefully).

    Delivery--Gel caps, capsules, powders, or liquid form ONLY for best absorbtion (tablets and caplets don't completely dissolve and can remain in the stomach as seen in some x-rays)

    Potency--Make sure you are taking at least the minimum DOSAGE reccommended for that particular problem (increase or decrease as neccessary if that's "safe").

    Frequency--How many times per day (1x, 2x, etc)?

    Diagnosis--Are you taking a product SPECIFICALLY for your problem (if it's IR, PCOS, androgen caused, hormonal acne it might help, but if your acne is caused by something else that particular product may not work)???

    Equilibrium--Make sure that you also BALANCE out the other vitamins neccessary when adding more of a certain vitamin (to help eliminate side effects or deficiencies).

    Gender--while some products help men they can also help women and vice versa, but some could have gender related side effects (extra hair growth, breast enlargement). Just a thought.


    Once again, I absoultely reccommend that if you have insurance or you can afford to PLEASE get your hormones tested!!! If you've had acne for several years or it "runs" in the family, it's IMPORTANT for you to know if there is truly a hormonal disorder behind this (so you can work on finding appropriate treatments). Acne can be a superficial symptom of a much larger problem and the sooner you find out what it is, the healthier and safer you may be.

    Other suggestions???

     
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    Old 07-16-2002, 11:30 AM   #2
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    Re: Here's a list of SUPPLEMENTS that help ACNE, what are yours???

    Wow SweetJade, what a great post!!!

     
    Old 07-19-2002, 12:15 PM   #3
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    Re: Here's a list of SUPPLEMENTS that help ACNE, what are yours???

    Great post.
    Keep up the good work!

     
    Old 07-24-2002, 01:09 AM   #4
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    Re: Here's a list of SUPPLEMENTS that help ACNE, what are yours???

    Thanks, I'm glad you appreciated my post. For those with Diabetes, Insulin Resistance, PCOS, Hypoglycemia, etc or those that have found success on Low Carb/low lectin diets, these supplements will also help regulate your blood sugar and insulin levels (key to being acne free for some of us).

    These are the supplements that I've heard (good things) about:

    D-Chiro Inositol (found in Lecithin, Highest amount in Carob)

    Vitamin D (can't remember the specific form though)

    CLA (conjugated Linoleic acid with Chromium GTF/Polynictonate/nicotinate)

    Alpha Lipoic Acid
    Magnesium
    Biotin (lowers Blood Sugar, increases insulin)
    Zinc
    CoEnzyme Q10

    Glucosol/Regulin/Benaba (Lagerstroemia ******** L. Extract)

    Fenugreek
    Chromium GTF
    Vanadium
    Bitter Melon

    Gymnema Sylvestre (reg. blood sugar levels, may increases insulin)

    Aloe Vera
    Vitamin B6
    Vitamin C
    Vitamin E
    Asian Ginseng
    Probiotics (friendly bacteria produce B Vitamins,etc)
    Brewers Yeast (B Complex & Chromium)
    NAG (N-acetyl-glucosamine)


    These help with additional problems (Menstrual, Nerves, Eyes ,etc) caused by the above disorders:
    Saw Palmetto
    Vitex/chasteberry
    Stingging Nettle
    Vitamin B12
    Taurine
    Carnitine
    Bilberry
    Quercitin
    Lutein
    Folic Acid
    Flaxseed oil (Alpha linoleic Acid)
    GLA (gamma linoleic acid found in Evening Primrose Oil, Black Current Oil, & Borage Oil)

    So while there are a variety of companies selling Multivitamins with a combination of the above, I decided to purchase GlucoPower by NSI (nutraceutical sciences institute)because it specifically contains 22 of the above supplements plus.

    Some of the herbs concern me, like the Gymnema, so I'm only going to take 1 packet a day instead of 2 and see if there are any negative effects (breakouts or sickness). I'm going to get my blood tested next Thursday, so if there is any difference perhaps it will show up on the tests (if I recieve the product in time).

    Unfortunately while this doesn't have iodine it's also lacks the same important nutrients that Naturally Clear does. Since it doesn't have all my essentials, I will still have to continue taking my Calcium, Zinc, Omega 3, Saw Palmetto, and Fenugreek and Probiotics (currently taking Lecithin and CLA, but will drop those).

    Not to mention I'm also on Avandia and Spirinolactone. However like I said earlier I'd also like to alter my diet because while these supplements may help it would be cheaper, healthier, and perhaps safer in the long run to take less of these, especially the prescriptions. Like I mentioned in another post Carbs = Glucose and Protien = Insulin, so I'll probably try a diet with a combination of High Fiber Foods, Low Carbs/Low Lectins, and Protein to balance things out.

    Also, if you don't have the books, you can do some searches. There is one website database where I got a majority of this info but I'm afraid I can't post it but try looking for info on the Herbs, Supplements, Food, and Ailments that I've mentioned as well as others. Try looking up Fiber, Lectins, LowCarbs, Acne, Insulin Resistance and Diabetes specficially.

    <p>[This message has been edited by SweetJade1 (edited 07-24-2002).]

     
    Old 07-24-2002, 06:48 AM   #5
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    GEE u must of spent time and effort on ur research/post im PROUD!

     
    Old 07-24-2002, 07:23 AM   #6
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    Hey everyone. I am new to all of these herbal and vitamins and have a question because it seems like you people know your stuff. I have read on this board that zinc helps and flaxseed oil help. I just started taking these two but was wondering if I need to up my coppper intake because I am upping my zinc intake. Thanks for all your help!!!

     
    Old 07-24-2002, 07:31 AM   #7
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    hey!
    a good combo..i think i may be able to help but first...how much zinc are u taking now? and how much do u want 2 up ur dose to?...are u taking any other supplements with the flax and zinc??? <p>[This message has been edited by xKaShyLahx (edited 07-24-2002).]

     
    Old 07-24-2002, 11:25 AM   #8
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    One question Sweetjade:

    Have you noticed a decrease in energy or libido (sex drive) with taking Saw Palmetto and spironlactone?

    Testosterone causes a lot a bad things like acne, baldness, but it also good for muscle mass, energy and maintaining sex drive.

    I wish there was a way to get the benefits of topical saw palmetto or spironolactone (not made or available) to treat the specific problem area without having in my blood system.

     
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    I am taking one pill that has 50mg (Zinc) and for the flaxseed it is 1000mg in one pill. I take one of each a day. I am trying to gain weight so I am eating more, so I have quit taking my multi-vitamin. I don't really care how high my dose goes as long as it is safe and it doesn't cause an initial breakout. Thanks for all your help, I appreciate it!!!

     
    Old 07-25-2002, 01:39 AM   #10
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    I don't take anything that I know has an added estrogen effect on the body. Because studies have shown that estrogen pills taken without progestin has an 8 fold increase in the risk of developing cancer. To me there is no difference between herbal estrogen pills and pharmacutical estrogen drugs. In fact herbal pills are even worse because there is no doctor monitoring you also the FDA does not monitor these pills and there is no knowing truly how much estrogen activity is in the pills or if the claims about the pills are even correct. Please be careful about the different things you put into your body. If there was a miracle pill they would be available in every doctors office right now. I recommend just taking a multi-vitamin. It will ensure that you are getting everything that you need. You can even try a multivitamin supplement with increased antioxidents, but that's as far as I would go.

     
    Old 07-25-2002, 03:12 AM   #11
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    Leggy, I'm glad you mentioned that because it's important that we know ALL aspects of a product in order to make a decision that's best for us. However I will say that conventional medicine was initially derived from natural medicine thus, we know that some of these herbs work.

    The problem is that the govt doesn't like not being able to profit off of natural supplements so they work on finding ways to make synthetic (possibly dangerous) versions or they downplay the positive effects herbs have. Except that in other countries and in this one I've heard rumors of which I hope are "Urban Legends" about removing supplements and making them so that they are Prescription Only!!!
    Could you imagine? Yes herbs and vitamins work and that's why some should (some have) get taken off the market (too dangerous) and why others would make TONS of money if they were only by prescription (work better than drugs).

    I definately agree that they should be regulated and tested for purity, potency and side effects, which some are, but the FDA doesn't even "approve" of most vitamins. Sure we can use them becaue they MAY help, but notice there's still that disclaimer at the bottom.

    Also, in terms of phytoestrogens vs. estrogen, they are supposed to be weaker form. However depending on the ones you use they do WORK! Women have reported a decrease in menopause symptoms, regulated menstrual cycles (change isn't neccessarily bad), breast tenderness or growth, etc. These phytoestrogens are found in almost any plant and therefore are probably in some of the grains you may be eating. While there are a variety of theories one of them is that they will prevent estrogen from binding to their receptors sites thus reducing our own bodies' estrogenic effects (something like that). However, yes there is a concern that maybe these plants will cause cancer in women who are susceptible to estrogen related cancer. On the other hand, these phytos may also prevent other kinds of cancer and diseases.

    Also, did you catch the lastest news briefing about HRT? Well it really isn't the latest, I've known it for quite some time, but not only does it seem that HRT isn't as effective but now it can cause cancer. Sigh...Like I mentioned earlier "someone" used a synthesized version instead of the real thing and has rendered the therapy useless to dangerous. Our bodies do not make nor utilize progestin, yet it is what they put in some Birth Control Pills(?) and use for Hormonal Replacement Therapy.

    I'm too young to be very concerned with this (welcome further insight), but from what I've heard and read our bodies need Progesterone to help balance out the effects of menopause, prevent osteoporosis, etc. I know that you can get some of the effects of progesterone (but not actual progestorone)from Wild Yam. There are a variety of supplements & creams that will provide you with the natural form of progesterone that your body can utilize and I've heard good results about some of them. So yes like you somewhat stated above, we do need Progestrone and Estrogen together or are bodies will go haywire. =)

    Note: While some women's breakouts will clear from progesterone, others may break out from it so please read more on it and make sure it is for you.

     
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    Blueeye,
    Both of those dosages sound great. Zinc will cause a conflict with copper absorbtion so it's good that you want to supplement with copper. I really can't say how much (somewhere there should be a ratio), it can also effect calcium and a few other minerals. I do know that you need a Calcium-Magnesium ratio of 4:1 in general so you'd want to increase that too.

    Also, Zinc is supposedly not toxic so you can take higher doses, but start with that and work your way up or down. Balance is very important when adding supplements so you may want to continue your Multi. I've heard that some multis can cause a weight gain (so my mom says),so I wouldn't stop taking one. Brewer's Yeast is a very good multi and amino acid supplement and you will gain weight from the protien (never broke out from it). ;-)

    TSB,
    Well since I'm a virgin I don't pay much attention to my libido. Although I don't seem as "energetic" as other people out there but it's probably a virgin -mental thing for me. I will say that taking other supplements has incrased my "energy" in the past such as the homeopathic supplement Acne Relief. Otherwise I guess I'm pretty "normal" in that dept. However spirinolactone can drain my energy at times so remember to get a good night's sleep and drink plenty of water or you might feel more tired than usual.

    As for the topicals, you can MAKE them topicals. Unfortunaately, since we don't know the ingredients in the Spirinolactone pills (online info maybe) I'm not sure if that' would be a good idea. Certain ingredients like Stearic acid in the tablet may break us out (if that's in it).

    In terms of Saw Palmetto, it is used it topical hair growth formulas. Therefore you can make either an toner, tincture, or poultice (mask) out of the herbs. Just use either leaves or those found in capsules and make a tea out of them and use the liquid on your skin. I could also tell you how to make a tincture etc out of them or you can do a search for that, just let me know.

     
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    sweet jade please listen to me and take these estrogen herbs out of your diet. It is true that in the small amounts we eat everyday it is safe but not when we are bulking up on estrogen through herbal pills. It is very dangerous. There have been studies on farm animals who have grazed on phytoestrogens and become infertle. They have developed all sorts of reproductive issues. Please don't mess with your body. Your bodies own hormones are the best. When you add to it you are just screwing with your body. More Asian women develope endometriosis than other ethnicities and the only difference in their diet is soy. Please be careful. It is not safe to self medicate. You don't know the long term effect, no one does. I am half asian. Some family memebers have taken chinese medicine and herbs from real chinese herbalists but it is no where near to the daily intake that herbal companies and books recommend. When you are sick you go in and the herbalist will prescribe them for like a week and that is it. It is not taken in large quantities and for extended periods of time. This is an American thing where the herbalists and companies are recommending taking large quantities of the herbs and for long periods of time! Think about this if these herbs can cause your cells to divide they can do it anywhere in the body and cause side effects that you may not want. You could give yourself infertility and a whole host of problems please believe me.

     
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    For ExKaShyLahx:

    Zinc:Copper ratio is 10:1. This means that if you're taking the safe daily upper limit of Zinc [15 mg], you should be taking 1.5mg of Copper.

    Calcium:Magnesium ratio is 2:1.

    For more information on vitamins and other supplements, try this link: <A HREF="http://www.acsu.buffalo.***/~shlevy/vitamin.htm" TARGET=_blank>http://www.acsu.buffalo.***/~shlevy/vitamin.htm</A>

    Estrogens/cancer:

    There are over 200 different cancers. So far only a small percentage are known or thought to be caused by hormones, esp. estrogen. If estrogen were the absolute cause of cancer in women, then 100% of women would have cancer. Clearly, this is not the case. Nonetheless, if you have a family history of cancers associated with estrogen, prevention in the form of limiting your exposure to estrogens and their precursors makes sense.

    I haven't personally READ the latest study that reported the increased breast cancer risk among women taking estrogens; I've only HEARD it reported in the news. IMO, either the researchers failed to conduct a comprehensive analysis of the data or the media failed to report important 'details', such as:

    What is the difference between the X% [minority] of women taking estrogen supplementation that got breast cancer and the Y% [majority] of women taking estrogen that did not get breast cancer? What about the X woman makes her more susceptible to breast cancer if she takes estrogen?

    Were these results consistent for all estrogen molecules? There are at least 7 different estrogen molecules, each with a somewhat different side-effect profile.

    Same with dosage and length of use - although some of news/interviews suggest that this question was answered in the report [at least partially].

    Considering the importance of estrogen in preventing osteoporosis which affects an even larger number of women, we need more concrete info such as the 'details' of the study and its analysis.

    Would appreciate it if anyone could link me to the complete findings of this report.

    Thanks,
    Jay

     
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    LOLOL thanks jay tor but u misread the post it was blueeyedbia who was asking about zinc not me....i know everything there is to know about zinc..maybe u might want to edit the name to blueeyebia instead of mine <IMG SRC="http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/wink.gif">

    and to blueeyedbia - you say ur thinking of upping ur zinc dose... ur taking 50mg...right? DO NOT UP UR DOSE TO 100MG THATS IN THE DANGER ZONE!!!

     
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